Woman shot in the head after knocking on door and asking for help - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42786537]Both are getting agrees the double standards on this forum are incredible[/QUOTE] believe it or not people are more likely to put effort into posts they agree with than disagree with (I know dumb seems like the most used rating but it's actually second place) ((the unfortunate implication being we find things to be utterly stupid before we find them to be disagreeable))

[QUOTE=xxncxx;42790239]Correlation is not causation (referring to first two links which neither of them prove causation and only note that there is a correlation.)[/QUOTE] Correlation not equating causation isn't grounds to completely ignore the studies' findings, you know?

I love how half of the people in this thread asking why the US is able to have guns live in countries that prohibit firearm ownership or use.

[QUOTE=Episode;42786919]I like how you guys think banning guns will magically stop people from being batshit crazy and killing others for no reason.[/QUOTE] yeah cause he would have ran out the house and slowly stabbed her to death and not in that whole time realize she wasn't a threat lol [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SexualShark;42790282]I love how half of the people in this thread asking why the US is able to have guns live in countries that prohibit firearm ownership or use.[/QUOTE] why do you love that there is literally no implication to that lol [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Tuskin;42787454]AFAIK, the 'Right to bare arms' in the constitution was aimed towards Militias not everyday citizens.[/QUOTE] to be fair militias WERE everyday citizens [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=IceyMalone;42787630]Seriously?[/QUOTE] seriously what

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;42790280]Correlation not equating causation isn't grounds to completely ignore the studies' findings, you know?[/QUOTE] And who said I was ignoring their findings? I'm simply saying you cannot completely fault guns without actually proving anything more than a correlation. Please read before you post, thanks.

That will teach ya not to disturb others.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;42788306]Then I will go back to my earlier point. Who are you to dictate what we can and cannot do? Guns are embedded in American culture. It has been that way since before the inception of our country, and it is unlikely to change for a long time, if ever. Guns are not a European cultural touchstone. You have little love for or reason to hold onto them. I understand that. That is not the case in the United States.[/QUOTE] no one is dictating what you do they don't have actual power over you they're just sharing their opinion on the matter

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9 pages tell me, how terrible is this thread before I even bother reading? I'm not in the mood to read the comments of some dude that actually is going to justify this. :v: personally with guns I think... Country side = it's ok, in the suburbs heavily restricted, in the city an outright ban.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;42788306]Then I will go back to my earlier point. Who are you to dictate what we can and cannot do? Guns are embedded in American culture. It has been that way since before the inception of our country, and it is unlikely to change for a long time, if ever. Guns are not a European cultural touchstone. You have little love for or reason to hold onto them. I understand that. That is not the case in the United States.[/QUOTE] There's nothing wrong at looking toward another culture and talking about it.

[QUOTE=J!NX;42790394]9 pages tell me, how fucking terrible is this thread before I even bother reading?[/QUOTE] honestly one of the more civil and informative gun debates I've seen still a fp gun debate tho

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42790421]honestly one of the more civil and informative gun debates I've seen still a fp gun debate tho[/QUOTE] oh, so its "Still pretty shitty but not that bad" and no one is trolling by saying this was ok? that's a good thing then, I can have an actually educational read.

[QUOTE=J!NX;42790430]oh, so its "Still pretty shitty but not that bad" and no one is trolling by saying this was ok? that's a good thing then, I can have an actually educational read.[/QUOTE] ;_;7

[QUOTE=J!NX;42790394]9 pages tell me, how terrible is this thread before I even bother reading? I'm not in the mood to read the comments of some dude that actually is going to justify this. :v:[/QUOTE] S'aight. We made some progress with a few people. Though the usual Facepunch freedom fighters haven't shown up to spread freedom with the freedom cannons yet.

She looks pretty and happy in that picture. It's a shame she was killed at such a young age. [QUOTE=Lurker;42785885]This is why guns are bad.[/QUOTE] Please don't turn this thread into a gun control thread. Yeah, the girl was killed with a gun, but lets not forget it was the jackass who did it and he doesn't represent all gun owners.

[QUOTE=J!NX;42790394]personally with guns I think... Country side = it's ok, in the suburbs heavily restricted, in the city an outright ban.[/QUOTE] Why bother banning them in the city if firearms are still readily available elsewhere? They'll just do what they do already, and drive them in and sell them.

[QUOTE=cqbcat;42790470] Please don't turn this thread into a gun control thread.[/QUOTE] lol Too late for that pal

This guy must have been playing too much Rust. Honestly, who the fuck does that. When someone comes to you for assistance, it takes 2 seconds to realize the person doesn't mean harm. And even worse, she was shot [B]with her head fucking turned.[/B] The person who shot her is a coward. If he was honestly scared, he actually waited until his "assailant" was turned around before killing her.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42790472]Why bother banning them in the city if firearms are still readily available elsewhere? They'll just do what they do already, and drive them in and sell them.[/QUOTE] actually it was a matter of carrying them in a city in the country side you won't have nearly the population density or police response time. City you get higher police protection but guns have a FAR FAR higher risk of killing someone by mistake. It has everything to do with how many people are in an area and how fast help may get there. Give or take how the law is applied, country and city with guns are pretty different.

[QUOTE=rovar;42790515]This guy must have been playing too much Rust. Honestly, who the fuck does that. When someone comes to you for assistance, it takes 2 seconds to realize the person doesn't mean harm. And even worse, she was shot [B]with her head fucking turned.[/B] The person who shot her is a coward. If he was honestly scared, he actually waited until his "assailant" was turned around before killing her.[/QUOTE] Sneak attack critical. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting in many threads" - Swebonny))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42790140]Even the Swiss get pissed off when americans try to make this connection. They keep a rifle locked in the attic with no ammunition as part of an actual trained, conscripted militia. But the swiss do have highest gun crime in europe. [img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/65786000/gif/_65786660_gun_homicides304.gif[/img] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21379912[/url][/QUOTE] See I know you're lying to me because the Swiss are too neutral to be capable of getting pissed off.

[QUOTE=Lurker;42785885]This is why guns are bad.[/QUOTE] Didn't know guns could hurt someone by themselves

[QUOTE=TheTalon;42790654]Didn't know guns could hurt someone by themselves[/QUOTE] neither can chemical weapons

[QUOTE=TheTalon;42790654]Didn't know guns could hurt someone by themselves[/QUOTE] So, like, is reading a thread some kind of arcane art for you or something? We've already been over this one.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42786461]Said absolutely no study ever on the matter. Did you know that simply owning this piece of moving metal can increase your likelihood of suicide of up 2-9 times the normal rate depending on how easy your access to it is? If its so inert why does it have this influence? There have been loads of studies on this. You're just in denial.[/QUOTE] And what's so wrong with suicide? Are you saying that people shouldn't have the right to take their own lives if they don't want to live anymore?

[QUOTE=draugur;42790873]And what's so wrong with suicide? Are you saying that people shouldn't have the right to take their own lives if they don't want to live anymore?[/QUOTE] The point is that a gun being nearby increases the chance of it being a spur of the moment decision. Not that people can't off themselves. If a gun is nearby, someone is less likely to think about what they are doing, how much it will hurt, etc. and just pull the trigger.

[QUOTE=draugur;42790873]And what's so wrong with suicide? Are you saying that people shouldn't have the right to take their own lives if they don't want to live anymore?[/QUOTE] Because suicide is often brought upon by neglected mental health care and those who own firearms are often never given the chance they deserve to get help and overcome their difficulties. Most suicides happen within 5 minutes of the decision, and having easy access to a firearm greatly increases the likelihood of the person going through it. Very few suicides are premeditated. Is this a serious question what the fuck honestly some people are incapable of any level of critical thinking, and you've demonstrated that again draugur.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42790901]Because suicide is often brought upon by neglected mental health care and those who own firearms are often never given the chance they deserve to get help and overcome their difficulties. Most suicides happen within 5 minutes of the decision, and having easy access to a firearm greatly increases the likelihood of the person going through it. Very few suicides are premeditated. Is this a serious question what the fuck honestly some people are incapable of any level of critical thinking, and you've demonstrated that again draugur.[/QUOTE] You didn't answer my question. Why should we prevent people from killing themselves, I mean, of course limiting people with severe mental affliction from firearms is a good idea, that's not debated at all except by morons. I'm asking as to why you're painting suicide in a bad light. If you're extremely unhappy with your life you should have every right to end it. As to it happening within 5 minutes of a decision, that's again under mental health, which as we've already established needs to be fixed anyway. Firearms contributing to suicide isn't any more than society failing to care for the mentally ill, which isn't surprising. As to crime rates, well I'm going to agree with that, it does increase crime rate as there are more firearms in circulation in general, thus more firearms to be used for crime. [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;42790888]The point is that a gun being nearby increases the chance of it being a spur of the moment decision. Not that people can't off themselves. If a gun is nearby, someone is less likely to think about what they are doing, how much it will hurt, etc. and just pull the trigger.[/QUOTE] Thank you for clearing that up. Hey Dachi you should take a note from this guy, he's not vindictive about everything.

[QUOTE=draugur;42790990]Hey Dachi you should take a note from this guy, he's not vindictive about everything.[/QUOTE] I just find your blase and callous attitude towards suicide ignorant and offensive. Sorry if I come across as vindictive~ its just a personal issue. [QUOTE=draugur;42790990]You didn't answer my question. Why should we prevent people from killing themselves, I mean, of course limiting people with severe mental affliction from firearms is a good idea, that's not debated at all except by morons. I'm asking as to why you're painting suicide in a bad light. If you're extremely unhappy with your life you should have every right to end it. As to it happening within 5 minutes of a decision, that's again under mental health, which as we've already established needs to be fixed anyway. Firearms contributing to suicide isn't any more than society failing to care for the mentally ill, which isn't surprising. As to crime rates, well I'm going to agree with that, it does increase crime rate as there are more firearms in circulation in general, thus more firearms to be used for crime.[/quote] Because having suicidal thoughts isn't hugely uncommon and can happen to many people at some point in their life. You can't screen for it. And if you're extremely unhappy with your life you should have ever right to get help not to be ignored and chalked off as another kid sitting in a bloodstained bath with a pistol in his mouth.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42790888]The point is that a gun being nearby increases the chance of it being a spur of the moment decision. Not that people can't off themselves. If a gun is nearby, someone is less likely to think about what they are doing, how much it will hurt, etc. and just pull the trigger.[/QUOTE] Suicide is painless when you have a gun, you don't need to make a fancy knot or suffer horrible pain, you just jam it on your head and click and that's the end of that. and so is killing other people, you just point, click, and they're dead, its so easy. And that is why guns are a threat to life. They have been specifically made for killing anything in front of its barrel. For someone that wants to kill someone using a gun would be totally logical. Like I said, point, click, dead, done. I feel it will easily encourage people to kill others because of that fact. Gun's won't MAKE crazy people crazy, but it sure helps them kill people.