Woman shot in the head after knocking on door and asking for help - Polidicks

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42790698]neither can chemical weapons[/QUOTE] people don't use chemical weapons for target practice or hunting may as well ban knives and forks because they can kill people even though their main use is cutting food

lol the old knife and fork fallacy sorry people you got to eat with your hands now on and forget about meat

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42792529]lol the old knife and fork fallacy sorry people you got to eat with your hands now on and forget about meat[/QUOTE] i mean i've never seen a concrete reply to it so?? also i'm p sure that's not an actual fallacy and you're just acting like it is so you don't have to argue against it

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42792544]i mean i've never seen a concrete reply to it so?? also i'm p sure that's not an actual fallacy and you're just acting like it is so you don't have to argue against it[/QUOTE] why would we ban knives when they are so important society to function at a basic level and don't kill that many people and generally are not that lethal?

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42791939]Nothing gets done with this attitude, sure. But the populace of the States have proven they will willingly hand over guns in the past. Only the crazies get massively defensive of their guns because communists. Most people who happen to have a gun in the house aren't gun-nuts, hobbyists or whatever. They don't care, they will readily hand over a majority of the guns that are easily taken and used in crime anyway.[/QUOTE] that doesn't get rid of the illegal guns and the guns held by the "crazies" who don't want to give them up. in order for a real gun ban to work in the usa it would take a comprehensive policy that could be comparable to the war on drugs in america. knowing how well our government handles the war on drugs, it doesn't seem incredibly optimistic for any hypothetical "war on guns". hell, it might turn out worse since guns are a major part of american national identity and the populace would resist attempts to force them to follow laws that undermine that. voluntary gun buybacks [i]sorta[/i] work(on a very small scale) because they are voluntary. once you get the threat of force involved people react differently to policy. [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] this is why the awb grandfathered guns that were purchased before the ban. it is unfeasible to ban guns and then try to collect them. the best you can do is use gradualism to increase restrictions on new guns.

gun debate thread!!!! yay!

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42792544]i mean i've never seen a concrete reply to it so?? also i'm p sure that's not an actual fallacy and you're just acting like it is so you don't have to argue against it[/QUOTE] because the argument is never "guns are bad because they can kill stuff" it's "guns are bad because their main purpose is to kill stuff" also it begs the question gee guys if knives are just so good at killing stuff why do we even need guns obviously you believe a knife can be just as effective right so just use that

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42792807]because the argument is never "guns are bad because they can kill stuff" it's "guns are bad because their sole purpose is to kill stuff" also it begs the question gee guys if knives are just so good at killing stuff why do we even need guns obviously you believe a knife can be just as effective right so just use that[/QUOTE] I don't use guns or knives to kill people lol I collect both for historical value and because target shooting and hunting are fun hobbies I don't see any reason why my right to these harmless hobbies should be infringed upon when mental illness and a lowered socioeconomic status caused by hundreds of years of institutionalized racism is the real problem

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42792519]people don't use chemical weapons for target practice or hunting may as well ban knives and forks because they can kill people even though their main use is cutting food[/QUOTE] Lets take a look at the various uses of gun as you listed: A. Killing things B. Practice so that you can better kill things. Cutlery serves a use outside of killing things and, in reality, isn't anywhere near as good at killing things as a gun.

I didn't say kill people I said kill stuff and collecting guns and target shooting just for fun is akin to collecting action figures, yeah you can do it but it's not the intended purpose it's irrelevant

[QUOTE=Rufia;42792844]Lets take a look at the various uses of gun as you listed: A. Killing things B. Practice so that you can better kill things. Cutlery serves a use outside of killing things and, in reality, isn't anywhere near as good at killing things as a gun.[/QUOTE] shooting cutouts doesn't make you better at killing things. if it did i would be on the level of an action movie hero by now.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42792857]I didn't say kill people I said kill stuff and collecting guns and target shooting just for fun is akin to collecting action figures, yeah you can do it but it's not the intended purpose it's irrelevant[/QUOTE] you say "sole purpose", I come up with other purposes and you label them irrelevant cool

[QUOTE=Rufia;42792844]Lets take a look at the various uses of gun as you listed: A. Killing things B. Practice so that you can better kill things. Cutlery serves a use outside of killing things and, in reality, isn't anywhere near as good at killing things as a gun.[/QUOTE] I know a lot of people who collect guns and shoot targets as a hobby, but have never shot anyone.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42792869]shooting cutouts doesn't make you better at killing things. if it did i would be on the level of an action movie hero by now.[/QUOTE] Doesn't make you worse at it. Practice makes perfect.

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42792883]you say "sole purpose", I come up with other purposes and you label them irrelevant cool[/QUOTE] you're right I should have said main purpose, fixed that

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;42792899]Doesn't make you worse at it. Practice makes perfect.[/QUOTE] eating cereal doesn't make me worse at detonating bombs with my mind ban cereal

[QUOTE=person11;42786340]Only in a gun culture would someone be more willing to shoot someone than call the cops. People in other countries trust cops to keep everyone safe, but here, [B]most of us have fantasies about killing bad guys[/B] instead of needing cops. It's kinda dangerous, as we can see here.[/QUOTE] I own multiple firearms and pray every single night that I will never have to use one on another human being.

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42792919]eating cereal doesn't make me worse at detonating bombs with my mind ban cereal[/QUOTE] You're still practicing aiming. People who trying to say that target practice doesn't make you better with guns are lying to themselves. That's why it's called "target practice"

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;42792899]Doesn't make you worse at it. Practice makes perfect.[/QUOTE] actually i think target shooting might actually make you worse at it, at least in a firefight. shooting targets trains you to aim and pick your shots carefully. careful aim will get you killed in a real firefight. and either way target shooting isn't practice for much more than hitting a stationary, non-living target.

[QUOTE=person11;42786340]Only in a gun culture would someone be more willing to shoot someone than call the cops. People in other countries trust cops to keep everyone safe, but here, most of us have fantasies about killing bad guys instead of needing cops. It's kinda dangerous, as we can see here.[/QUOTE] [img]http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-488-488-90/61/6181/X351100Z/posters/colt-we-don-t-call-911.jpg[/img] :v:

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42792948]actually i think target shooting might actually make you worse at it, at least in a firefight. shooting targets trains you to aim and pick your shots carefully. careful aim will get you killed in a real firefight. and either way target shooting isn't practice for much more than hitting a stationary, non-living target.[/QUOTE] Yeah but you still get a feel for how powerful the gun is, and it makes you more confident with it. On top of that, this guy just shot this girl as she was running away, not really a firefight.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;42792936]You're still practicing aiming. People who trying to say that target practice doesn't make you better with guns are lying to themselves. That's why it's called "target practice"[/QUOTE] but shooting targets doesn't mentally prepare you to kill a person and owning guns doesn't make you want to kill a person and i specified "target shooting" not "target practice", when i shoot i'm doing it as a hobby and not to go on a killing spree

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;42792936]You're still practicing aiming. People who trying to say that target practice doesn't make you better with guns are lying to themselves. That's why it's called "target practice"[/QUOTE] target shooting requires a different set of skills than shooting other people(especially if they are shooting back).

[QUOTE=matt000024;42792889]I know a lot of people who collect guns and shoot targets as a hobby, but have never shot anyone.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, I don't remember writing "Guns take over the mind of the host resulting in the murder of their family." My point was the only use for a functioning gun is either: A. To go to a shooting range so that you can become better at using a gun. B. To kill something. (not necessarily a person)

Never said they were the same.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42792968]target shooting requires a different set of skills than shooting other people(especially if they are shooting back).[/QUOTE] then why do soldiers and policemen spend so long shooting at targets

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42792869]shooting cutouts doesn't make you better at killing things. if it did i would be on the level of an action movie hero by now.[/QUOTE] they do, depending on how you train shooting moving cutouts while moving yourself can make you perform better in firefights, otherwise why does the US Gov't pay the big bucks to send spec ops teams to train at Blackwater's facilities.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42792915]you're right I should have said main purpose, fixed that[/QUOTE] silly putty started out as a rubber cement prototype, i don't see why guns can't move past murdering people and be used primarily as a hobby if you ban a 'tool of killing' people will just find a different tool

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42792964]but shooting targets doesn't mentally prepare you to kill a person and owning guns doesn't make you want to kill a person[/QUOTE] I don't believe anyone said it did (or at least I wouldn't), just that you're more capable

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42792999]silly putty started out as a rubber cement prototype, i don't see why guns can't move past murdering people and be used primarily as a hobby if you ban a 'tool of killing' people will just find a different tool[/QUOTE] Because guns haven't moved passed murdering people and no they don't find different tools because no tool can compare to a firearm.