Woman shot in the head after knocking on door and asking for help - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42793314]if you have the will to create an explosive then the knowledge and supplies needed are absolutely negligible unless you wanna create something really complex.[/QUOTE] I disagree because of Columbine.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42793314]if you have the will to create an explosive then the knowledge and supplies needed are absolutely negligible unless you wanna create something really complex.[/QUOTE] You'll need an ATF door knocking amount of fertilizer though. They don't just sell it to anyone.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42793309]Sarin attacks, bombings, and 9/11 have one very important distinction though: planning. The issue isn't premeditated killings. Hardly anyone will argue that gun control will significantly impact premeditated killings. What it will impact is spree killings and accidental / foolish deaths[/QUOTE] they also have another very important distinction the three examples he used all happened over a fucking decade ago you want an example of someone using homemade explosives or planes to kill a significant number of people, you have to go dredging through some news and maybe archives you want an example of someone using a firearm to kill a significant number of people? check sensationalist headlines every week

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42793328]You'll need an ATF door knocking amount of fertilizer though. They don't just sell it to anyone.[/QUOTE] actually they kind of do sell fertilizer to anyone have you ever been to an american gardening store

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42793245]Why would you say something so willfully illogical. Banning cars is not a real argument. Society depends on motorized transport. Your economy would collapse overnight if you banned them. Especially considering how stringently regulated the motor industry is compared to the firearm industry. I'm begging you, don't ever compare firearms to cars again. It hurts.[/QUOTE] Could you be more condescending? Get off your pedestal and stop acting like such an arrogant ass. And it follows the exact same strand of "logic" you use by bringing that up. Why bring it up at all if not to insinuate that "proper training" is still, for some reason, still insufficient for people to be owning something potentially dangerous. Motor vehicles are potentially dangerous, and following your insinuation if proper training is insufficient at keeping people from causing harm to others and therefore someone shouldn't own that potentially dangerous thing, then why not ban cars. And to say the firearms industry isn't stringently regulated shows your level of ignorance on the subject. Do you think manufacturers are just handing AK-47s out to gangsters on the street or something? Companies have and are shut down due to violations of laws in regards to the recordkeeping of each gun they produce. If a car company loses track of a few thousand serial numbers of car what happens? Nothing. If a gun manufacturer loses track of even 1 serial number for a gun there's a gargantuan investigation both internally and by the ATF/whatever regulatory body exists in that country. If a car dealer sells you a car without you having a license, nothing happens, it's perfectly legal. If a gun dealer fails to perform a background check they go to prison. Just because the US may not have a registration system for every gun sold, or a means of tracking every gun owner, doesn't mean the firearms industry is under-regulated, and your insistence of such shows a blatant ignorance on this topic on your part.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42793309]Sarin attacks, bombings, and 9/11 have one very important distinction though: planning. The issue isn't premeditated killings. Hardly anyone will argue that gun control will significantly impact premeditated killings. What it will impact is spree killings and accidental / foolish deaths[/QUOTE] that's not worth the subversion of a natural human right. i mean i don't believe in trading freedom for security anyways but even trying to look at it from that point of view, it still seems unjustifiable.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;42793337]they also have another very important distinction the three examples he used all happened over a fucking decade ago you want an example of someone using homemade explosives or planes to kill a significant number of people, you have to go dredging through some news and maybe archives you want an example of someone using a firearm to kill a significant number of people? check sensationalist headlines every week[/QUOTE] does the boston marathon bombing count or all the times people have sent ricin in the mail in the past few years

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;42793222]By that logic we should ban cars because you can't stop properly trained people from getting into crashes.[/QUOTE] And then you can drive to work in your gun.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42793236]no it's not. the intent is to make it harder for a police state to grow or function through threat of force. it isn't really an intent to kill because even the people who arm themselves for political purposes probably wouldn't attempt to actually shoot law enforcement or military. and i never said using a gun to fight/overthrow government. that's sedition and that IS a crime.[/QUOTE] Surely the reason you are harder to control is because you can fight back, and using a gun to fight back typically results in death. [QUOTE=matt000024;42793256]So you are saying guns should be banned even for hunting?[/QUOTE] No. I am simply stating that a gun is a weapon, used to kill things. When a hunter goes out he knows better than anyone that the creature he confronts is going to die should he have any success.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42793351]that's not worth the subversion of a natural human right. i mean i don't believe in trading freedom for security anyways but even trying to look at it from that point of view, it still seems unjustifiable.[/QUOTE] I don't advocate for gun bans I just advocate for stricter control. What that entails is up to someone more knowledgeable than I.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;42793344]Could you be more condescending? Get off your pedestal and stop acting like such an arrogant ass. And it follows the exact same strand of "logic" you use by bringing that up. Why bring it up at all if not to insinuate that "proper training" is still, for some reason, still insufficient for people to be owning something potentially dangerous. Motor vehicles are potentially dangerous, and following your insinuation if proper training is insufficient at keeping people from causing harm to others and therefore someone shouldn't own that potentially dangerous thing, then why not ban cars. And to say the firearms industry isn't stringently regulated shows your level of ignorance on the subject. Do you think manufacturers are just handing AK-47s out to gangsters on the street or something? Companies have and are shut down due to violations of laws in regards to the recordkeeping of each gun they produce. If a car company loses track of a few thousand serial numbers of car what happens? Nothing. If a gun manufacturer loses track of even 1 serial number for a gun there's a gargantuan investigation both internally and by the ATF/whatever regulatory body exists in that country. If a car dealer sells you a car without you having a license, nothing happens, it's perfectly legal. If a gun dealer fails to perform a background check they go to prison. Just because the US may not have a registration system for every gun sold, or a means of tracking every gun owner, doesn't mean the firearms industry is under-regulated, and your insistence of such shows a blatant ignorance on this topic on your part.[/QUOTE] Half a million firearms go missing from the industry every year it is not stringently regulated.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42793367]Half a million firearms go missing from the industry every year it is not stringently regulated.[/QUOTE] Care to provide a source? How do they go missing? At what point, from where?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42793328]You'll need an ATF door knocking amount of fertilizer though. They don't just sell it to anyone.[/QUOTE] how is meth manufactured in the usa then? [QUOTE=Cloak Raider;42793337]they also have another very important distinction the three examples he used all happened over a fucking decade ago you want an example of someone using homemade explosives or planes to kill a significant number of people, you have to go dredging through some news and maybe archives you want an example of someone using a firearm to kill a significant number of people? check sensationalist headlines every week[/QUOTE] while firearms might have a higher bodycount, the usage of explosives has a much more profound psychological effect on a populace. that's the reason why the boston bomber didn't just grab a gun.

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42793353]does the boston marathon bombing count or all the times people have sent ricin in the mail in the past few years[/QUOTE] if anything those are bad examples because their death toll was relatively pretty small for such malicious planning

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42793353]does the boston marathon bombing count or all the times people have sent ricin in the mail in the past few years[/QUOTE] do you mean the boston marathon bombing that killed only 5 people (still tragic) and the ricin stuff this year that was meant to be linked that killed and injured absolutely nobody

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42793339]actually they kind of do sell fertilizer to anyone have you ever been to an american gardening store[/QUOTE] Do you have any idea how much fertilizer you actually need to make a bomb? Try doing that post 9/11 lmao

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;42793383]Care to provide a source? How do they go missing? At what point, from where?[/QUOTE] Sorry, its one million. Not half. [url]http://www.examiner.com/article/a-2011-atf-internal-report-confirms-1-million-guns-go-missing-each-year[/url] [editline]8th November 2013[/editline] garry needs to sort this forum out that is one thing everyone can agree on

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;42793390]do you mean the boston marathon bombing that killed only 5 people (still tragic)[/QUOTE] *3 plus 1 with [sp]a gun[/sp] and one of the perps

That crystals recipe you just linked is a surefire way to get yourself killed. Mixing bleach and ammonia lol.

[QUOTE=Rufia;42793363]Surely the reason you are harder to control is because you can fight back, and using a gun to fight back typically results in death. [/QUOTE] you [i]can[/i] fight back. it opens the possibility. possibility and intent are two very different things. having an armed populace creates the [i]possibility[/i] of law enforcement problems in the event of overt oppression of dissent, but it doesn't create that intent. that's why people think guns are effective for political purposes. you don't have to shoot a cop or ever plan to shoot a cop for politicians to be more careful in how they maintain social control.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42793384]how is meth manufactured in the usa then? while firearms might have a higher bodycount, the usage of explosives has a much more profound psychological effect on a populace. that's the reason why the boston bomber didn't just grab a gun.[/QUOTE] more profound psychological effect are you kidding? people are scared of 'terrorists' sure, but 'active shooter' events have got america constantly shitting its pants it was in Glee for fucks sake

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42793367]Half a million firearms go missing from the industry every year it is not stringently regulated.[/QUOTE] it should be more stringently regulated i'm not some hyberconservative idiot, so don't treat me like that gun control is way too lax but outright banning a weapon in 99 percent of cases does nothing i advocate stricter control of access to weaponry ie training courses and licenses, like cars or planes or boats or shit like that but outright banning a weapon that meets performance and safety standards would be silly that said there aren't any real performance and safety standards for firearms afaik which is a huge flaw in the system [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=sloppy_joes;42793410]That crystals recipe you just linked is a surefire way to get yourself killed. Mixing bleach and ammonia lol.[/QUOTE] exactly the point lol

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42793366]I don't advocate for gun bans I just advocate for stricter control. What that entails is up to someone more knowledgeable than I.[/QUOTE] stricter control on manufacturing regulations or stricter control of the populace. i'm not against making sure that guns that are being manufactured don't go missing and shit. i'm against trying to control a populace by further restricting their natural rights.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;42793416]more profound psychological effect are you kidding? people are scared of 'terrorists' sure, but 'active shooter' events have got america constantly shitting its pants it was in Glee for fucks sake[/QUOTE] well we don't exactly have a nationwide day of mourning for columbine but we do for 9/11

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42793430]stricter control on manufacturing regulations or stricter control of the populace. i'm not against making sure that guns that are being manufactured don't go missing and shit. i'm against trying to control a populace by further restricting their natural rights.[/QUOTE] natural right amazing

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42793396]Sorry, its one million. Not half. [url]http://www.examiner.com/article/a-2011-atf-internal-report-confirms-1-million-guns-go-missing-each-year[/url] [editline]8th November 2013[/editline] garry needs to sort this forum out that is one thing everyone can agree on[/QUOTE] Seems to be a criticism of the regulating body, and of Fast & Furious, the gunrunning operation in Mexico. If the ATF isn't doing their job, then the ATF needs a swift kick in their ass to start damn well doing it, and following the debacle where tens of thousands of guns were lost in the hands of the cartels under the guidance and direction of the DoJ and ATF, it's no wonder they're trying to hide their incompetence. Perhaps they're not being as well regulated as they're supposed to be, the laws on paper are strict on the matter, it just seems like their enforcement is lackluster. And yeah, posting takes a bloody minute, it's annoying.

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42793440]well we don't exactly have a nationwide day of mourning for columbine but we do for 9/11[/QUOTE] why would you need a day of mourning for it when you have a re-enactment happen basically every 2-3 weeks

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;42793416]more profound psychological effect are you kidding? people are scared of 'terrorists' sure, but 'active shooter' events have got america constantly shitting its pants it was in Glee for fucks sake[/QUOTE] um 9/11 killed less people than guns that year but now we have an agency dedicated to going through 14 year old girls' panties at the airport to make sure she isn't hiding anything. guns aren't particularly scary to most americans [I]except[/I] in the case of school shootings.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;42793449]Seems to be a criticism of the regulating body, and of Fast & Furious, the gunrunning operation in Mexico. If the ATF isn't doing their job, then the ATF needs a swift kick in their ass to start damn well doing it, and following the debacle where tens of thousands of guns were lost in the hands of the cartels under the guidance and direction of the DoJ and ATF, it's no wonder they're trying to hide their incompetence. Perhaps they're not being as well regulated as they're supposed to be, the laws on paper are strict on the matter, it just seems like their enforcement is lackluster. And yeah, posting takes a bloody minute, it's annoying.[/QUOTE] It just proves that they're not as strict as you said. Like they only sent warning letters to dealers who lost hundreds of firearms.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42793190]no it isn't[/QUOTE] The information to make and manufacture bombs is readily available across the web[sames goes for guns and ammo]. One such example is [url=http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/june2007/imhv3.pdf]the US Army Improvised Munitions Handbook[/url], which can be literally found as a PDF on every website runned by a militia group. On the thing I linked by the way... Multiple sections exist in the regards to using batteries to create explosive material as well as creating explosive material from scratch. The rest of bomb making is just putting the explosive material into a tightly contained chamber, having an electric fuse which is wired to spark an electric charge on something like a sparkplug at a distance, and having the rest of the container you put the fuse in to carry shrapnel such as nuts and bolts and nails. The only tough part is getting enough explosive material, and even than, you could just pop the heads off of bullets and get the blackpowder inside of them. I mean shit... Two .22lr round and you already have 80 to 90 grains of blackpowder, which is more than enough for something like a hand grenade.