Woman shot in the head after knocking on door and asking for help - Polidicks

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[QUOTE=person11;42786340][B]Only in a gun culture would someone be more willing to shoot someone than call the cops.[/B] People in other countries trust cops to keep everyone safe, but here, most of us have fantasies about killing bad guys instead of needing cops. It's kinda dangerous, as we can see here.[/QUOTE] [quote]When Eric Kingston saw a group of young men clambering on to a roof, he was convinced they were trying to burgle the property. But instead of immediately calling the police, he grabbed an air rifle and in a ‘moment of madness’ opened fire.[/quote] [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2488342/Builder-jailed-shooting-free-runners-climbing-roof-suspected-burglars.html[/url] [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1322369[/url] Considering there isn't nearly as much gun culture in Britain, you're full of it.

[QUOTE=Cuon Alpinus;42795250][url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2488342/Builder-jailed-shooting-free-runners-climbing-roof-suspected-burglars.html[/url] [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1322369[/url] Considering there isn't nearly as much gun culture in Britain, you're full of it.[/QUOTE] Such anecdote.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;42795212]I'd rather like the ability to defend myself with a gun in Canada. Why? Because I can recall at least 10 shootings in 5 years within 5 blocks of me, and if someone threatens my life with a gun, because no matter what laws we have a criminal will get a gun if they want one, just about every police chief in the country admits at least 70% of guns are smuggled into the country, I want to be able to respond with equal force to defend myself. Hell, I'd rather like just being able to defend myself without having to worry about being arrested for it, with a gun or not, because right now I'd be arrested for defending myself no matter what I used.[/QUOTE] 10 shootings in 5 years? i have had like 4 just this year in my neighborhood. i think my town has more per capita violent crime than seattle and we have less than 10,000 people.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;42795259]Such anecdote.[/QUOTE] And so is this entire thread. Detroit's a shithole and promotes paranoia. It wasn't the gun's fault.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;42795232]Where do you live?[/QUOTE] West-end Toronto. [editline]8th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;42795266]10 shootings in 5 years? i have had like 4 just this year in my neighborhood. i think my town has more per capita violent crime than seattle and we have less than 10,000 people.[/QUOTE] Considering there are more murders in the city of Chicago in 1 year than my entire country, it's a fair number of murders to happen in a 5-block radius in 5 years.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;42795283] Considering there are more murders in the city of Chicago in 1 year than my entire country, it's a fair number of murders to happen in a 5-block radius in 5 years.[/QUOTE] i'm not downplaying your experience it just made me realize how shitty my town is.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;42795283]West-end Toronto. [/QUOTE] Yeah that place actually is pretty dangerous. Last time I was there me and my boyfriend almost got mugged.

[QUOTE=TRA;42795000]I'm probably going to be quite a bit more successful than you can ever hope to be[/QUOTE] lol

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42786517]That is like complaining that the motor industry is so heavily regulated because of all the morons who cause road fatalities. Deal with it.[/QUOTE] But cars (nor their contemporary equivalents, carriages) are not specifically protected by the constitution; it's harder to regulate guns than cars. And in some ways that's good. [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=bobsynergy;42786923] [B]Once Again, a Black Person Is Shot and Killed While Looking for Help[/B] [/QUOTE] "Once again"? I didn't hear about another incident like this before; I should have because it would have stood out. [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=DaCommie1;42795283]West-end Toronto. [editline]8th November 2013[/editline] Considering there are more murders in the city of Chicago in 1 year than my entire country, it's a fair number of murders to happen in a 5-block radius in 5 years.[/QUOTE] Aren't guns banned in Chicago -snip- Fucking lag duplicated my post 4 times

[QUOTE=BFG9000;42795971] "Once again"? I didn't hear about another incident like this before; I should have because it would have stood out.[/QUOTE] they mentioned it in the article [editline]8th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=BFG9000;42795971] Aren't guns banned in Chicago[/QUOTE] and no that was ruled unconstitutional years back only assault weapons are banned you can get handguns it's just heavily regulated

[QUOTE=Van-man;42790149] So by your logic, any white American should be allowed to own a African slave. Yeah, why adapt to the future when we can stick to silly relics from a era long gone.[/QUOTE] No, and that's probably the biggest strawman I've ever heard Remember, while the Constitution is solid, [B][U]it is still changeable.[/U][/B] Your point was pretty much moot to begin with seeing as we amended the law to BAN SLAVERY. You might respond by saying, "then why not ban guns?", and that's because unlike slavery, guns are not objectively unethical, and really buffing screening processes in who gets the guns is going to be more effective and easy-to-implement in the long run. [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Venezuelan;42796024] only [B]assault weapons[/B] are banned you can get handguns it's just heavily regulated[/QUOTE] Oh please, when will politicians get a hint and realize it's not how the weapon LOOKS but WHO gets them

[QUOTE=BFG9000;42796073] Oh please, when will politicians get a hint and realize it's not how the weapon LOOKS but WHO gets them[/QUOTE] It's not really a "looks" thing they define anything greater than a 12 round magazine and certain semi-automatic rifles

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42796104]It's not really a "looks" thing they define anything greater than a 12 round magazine and certain semi-automatic rifles[/QUOTE] really? Here in Cali, some features include: flash hiders (as if people are deaf) pistol grips, foregrips, adjustable stocks (because clearly being comfortable makes a gun more dangerous) Barrel shrouds (Apparently gun safety is bad) which all define an assault weapon if the gun has 2 or more of these features. If so, you are required to get a "bullet button" on your lower receiver which is easily bypassed with simple, homespun devices. (We also have a ban on >10 round mags and clips and the usual jazz) The thing is, why are those "certain semi-auto rifles" banned? Why aren't all semi rifles banned in that case?

idk, I don't know their criteria on that and it's probably pretty haphazard and sloppy since it's politicians

I'm probably going off on a tangent here but typically speaking, if some deranged kid busted through the door of my classroom and started shooting, I would WANT that gun to have a barrel shroud to make it easier to wrest away from the user. I know this is a hypothetical but in most cases you'd burn your hand on the barrel and recoil in pain without a barrel shroud.

[QUOTE=i-am-teh-sex;42786402]This is a ridiculous counter argument Shovels enable people to easily crack someones skull open, should gardening be banned now too? A butter knife can easily go into someones neck with enough force, should steel be banned next? Guns don't have some mystical evil will over gun owners, there are just bad people in this world, yet it's pieces of machinery being blamed[/QUOTE] The purpose of a shovel is to dig a hole. The purpose of a butter knife is to spread butter on bread. The purpose of a gun is to wound, maim, and kill it's wielder's target. So, yes a gun is a tool and it is up to responsible gun owners to see that guns aren't used against innocent people, BUT guns are made to kill. Everyone who owns a shovel is not trying to use it to kill people. Everyone who owns a gun knows that it's there to be used as deadly force against their target.

[QUOTE=Lurker;42785885]This is why guns are bad.[/QUOTE] this guy is obviously mentally ill and if knocking on a door is setting him off and he didn't have a gun he'd just use some other lethal object/weapon to do his crazy shit when he's mad for no reason.

[QUOTE=SoaringFallus;42796674]this guy is obviously mentally ill and if knocking on a door is setting him off and he didn't have a gun he'd just use some other lethal object/weapon to do his crazy shit when he's mad for no reason.[/QUOTE] I think both sides of this issue can agree upon the fact that some people can, and some people can not own a gun. Why people should own a gun is the more interesting question. Also he most likely wouldn't have, and if he did, she would have had a muuuuch better chance of escaping. Remeber, she was shot in the back of her head, already leaving the property.

[QUOTE=SoaringFallus;42796674]this guy is obviously mentally ill and if knocking on a door is setting him off and he didn't have a gun he'd just use some other lethal object/weapon to do his crazy shit when he's mad for no reason.[/QUOTE] Yeah he would have blown her head off using the toaster or something right

[QUOTE=SoaringFallus;42796674]this guy is obviously mentally ill and if knocking on a door is setting him off and he didn't have a gun he'd just use some other lethal object/weapon to do his crazy shit when he's mad for no reason.[/QUOTE] this is the fucking dumbest argument that pro-gun people CONSTANTLY USE if this guy didn't have a gun, the woman would almost certainly still be alive, and that's the end of it if you can't see why this is true, then you are absolutely delusional.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;42795259]Such anecdote.[/QUOTE] such buzzwords

I honestly want to hear the shooters side of the story. Namely just to get an idea of the frame of mind he was in to do such an act.

[QUOTE=TRA;42794673]I don't care if people die. I don't care that people kill other people with guns. As long as it doesn't affect me or my family, I don't care. Until it does affect me, I won't care. If someone is a criminal, and they are in my house and I consider them a threat to me or my family, they will die. I shoot with my guns to train for killing things. It's a fact of life. You can't go through life being completely naive, thinking that nothing like this can happen you you. Guns in America can't go away. For better or worse, it's part of our culture and there's nothing that can or should be done at this point. And guess what, the reason I need to do this is because police are unreliable. They aren't preventative, they're there to put you in a body bag after you/your family has been murdered because you don't have adequate defense against an intruder with a weapon that intends to kill you. People will always kill people. Cops won't be there to protect you. You need to protect yourself. It's human nature. Whether we have a gun, knife, club or any other improvised weapon we will always find a way to end each other. It's a fact of reality.[/QUOTE] I'm glad your recent posts are making more sense because I was going to say that despite my defence of guns and gun ownership, this post made me feel really uneasy about [I]you[/I] owning guns. [QUOTE=CheeseMan;42794906]ok i'm kind of finished with all my normal posts so i just have to ask, what the fuck is it with you gun people and masturbatory listing of features of the weapon you're using. if you said 'I would of preferred if she had a serrated edge hunting knife with bloodletting curves to allow easy stabbing' you'd look like a fucking psycho but apparently stuff like 'mm my .38 flashlight equipped caliber pistol ... s-shoot that criminal r-right on the spot... yeah...' is okay? why do you have to be so specific??? it's [U]fucking creepy[/U][/QUOTE] He said .38 and 6 rounds, meaning it's likely a .38 revolver. Really not that "masturbatory". Would be like saying "my 6 inch knife". But I see what you mean, I've seen the occasional poster go a little crazy. As far as guns and gun ownership go, all I've ever tried to argue is that America's problem is not a gun problem: it's everything. Lack of education, lack of adequate health care, massive income equality gap, privatized prisons (there is so much wrong with this I don't even know where to start)... basically there are precious few systems that are adequate for the average american, and there is almost nothing to help those in need. People are slipping through the cracks all the time. Socioeconomic inequality in the USA is extremely high (for a western nation). Basically it's not any one thing, it's everything. The entire social, economic, and political structure of the USA is a nightmare. Guns are the least of their worries.

[QUOTE=Cuon Alpinus;42795267]And so is this entire thread. Detroit's a shithole and promotes paranoia. It wasn't the gun's fault.[/QUOTE] Is Detroit not a shithole because of the huge rates of firearm offences?

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;42798582]Is Detroit not a shithole because of the huge rates of firearm offences?[/QUOTE] There's much more to a shithole like Detroit than guns.

Better safe than sorry.

[QUOTE=TRA;42794673]I don't care if people die. I don't care that people kill other people with guns. [/QUOTE] Holy crap have a heart man [editline]8th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Cloak Raider;42797554]this is the fucking dumbest argument that pro-gun people CONSTANTLY USE if this guy didn't have a gun, the woman would almost certainly still be alive, and that's the end of it if you can't see why this is true, then you are absolutely delusional.[/QUOTE] Not "certainly", you underestimate knives and sharp objects

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42795152]no we feel like we need a gun to protect ourselves because our media tells us that everyone else has a gun and if we don't buy a gun and give our teachers guns our schools will get shot up. our gun culture is perpetuated through even the "liberal" media because sensationalism sells and corporate executives like money more than they like people.[/QUOTE] I'd wager the media is the root factor in all the recent mass shooting, screw mental health and gun control. Every time, shooter is glorified, the news is reported and sensationalized for like two full weeks. In a country of 350 million people, at least one psychopath is going to be jerking off to mass shooting fantasies as he watches them get glorified on the news.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;42797554]this is the fucking dumbest argument that pro-gun people CONSTANTLY USE if this guy didn't have a gun, the woman would almost certainly still be alive, and that's the end of it if you can't see why this is true, then you are absolutely delusional.[/QUOTE] and what if he chased her down with a knife?