Woman shot in the head after knocking on door and asking for help - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42877958]those in the uk use the same reasoning but just on a more subtle level. you guys have had a very long history of gun restrictions so you are used to that environment.[/QUOTE] what same reasoning [editline]16th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=EurofanBMW;42877437]Lemme see those lib' tears, boy. :v: If you look at my original post, it wasn't just a street fight...it was an encounter where somebody was mercilessly beating the shit out of someone. There's a difference believe it or not.[/QUOTE] what if the guy being beaten up raped and robbed the assailants grandmother if we're going to be using wild hypothetics here

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42877966]what same reasoning [/QUOTE] ...the reasoning i quoted...

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42877994]...the reasoning i quoted...[/QUOTE] the gun laws in the UK have never changed? o_O

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42878013]the gun laws in the UK have never changed?[/QUOTE] just read the quote lol it won't hurt you [editline]16th November 2013[/editline] stop being difficult and use your critical thinking skills

You know that banning guns won't get rid of gun culture right? A hellish black market for guns will just rip the country apart. The UK and Japan have histories that are completely different from that of the US.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42877958]those in the uk use the same reasoning but just on a more subtle level. you guys have had a very long history of gun restrictions so you are used to that environment.[/QUOTE] while it is true in that we use a similar, if reversed, reasoning in these arguments about gun control on an internet forum, the same isn't true on a day-to-day basis what i mean by that is that there is practically no one in the UK calling for less gun control and there is practically no one in the UK being hurt by a lack of guns. the same rift doesn't exist. it is something that is never discussed because it is such a mute issue further to that, my point was that the gun-culture in america is something that has permeated all facets of life and can be seen in a lot of traditional american culture and politics, along with a lot of other principles, fears, and 'rights', formed by people who were worried about red indian conflict and british invasion, 700 years ago the lack of gun-culture in the UK, or even anti-gun-culture, doesn't influence daily life

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42878027]just read the quote lol it won't hurt you [editline]16th November 2013[/editline] stop being difficult and use your critical thinking skills[/QUOTE] I just think its a really bad example to try and compare british gun laws and principles considering they've been changed quite dramatically in response to tragedies. That is reactionary, not principles.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42878032]You know that banning guns won't get rid of gun culture right? A hellish black market for guns will just rip the country apart. The UK and Japan have histories that are completely different from that of the US.[/QUOTE] in these discussions i never really argue a banning of guns in the US. that would be retarded. i guess i call for harsher gun control, but even then i'm not sure that would even do anything in a country as ideologically fucked up as the united states the main thing i want to discuss and debate is the gun-culture itself and why it's really awful and archaic

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42878043]I just think its a really bad example to try and compare british gun laws and principles considering they've been changed quite dramatically in response to tragedies. That is reactionary, not principles.[/QUOTE] thanks for completely missing the point...ffs lol chestymcgee got it and while i don't fully agree with him his reply is at least well thought and on point... maybe arguing for 23 pages is starting to take a toll.

time for bed gramps

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42878089]time for bed gramps[/QUOTE] you still haven't even told me what an essential liberty is you jerk.

why do you need me to tell you what it is? All I said was that there was no correlation between liberty and private firearm ownership world wide so it certainly can't constitute as essential regardless how desperately you try to argue it. But if you can't work out from that answer that I obvious think measures which obviously ensure liberty, such as universal suffrage and free assembly ect ect are actually important in liberal societies to classify as essential. Maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42878187]why do you need me to tell you what it is? All I said was that there was no correlation between liberty and private firearm ownership world wide so it certainly can't constitute as essential regardless how desperately you try to argue it. But if you can't work out from that answer that I obvious think measures that ensure liberty such as universal suffrage and free assembly ect ect because they are actually important in liberal societies classify as essential. Maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension.[/QUOTE] you say that personal ownership isn't an essential liberty so i'm asking you wtf you mean when you say essential liberty. you are always dancing around the damn question.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42878197]you say that personal ownership isn't an essential liberty so i'm asking you wtf you mean when you say essential liberty. you are always dancing around the damn question.[/QUOTE] no the people are not allowed to own a very long list of certain things for lots of different reasons it doesn't stop you living in a liberal society.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42878210]no the people are not allowed to own a very long list of certain things for lots of different reasons it doesn't stop you living in a liberal society.[/QUOTE] god damnit you are the most obtuse person i'v ever had the displeasure of talking to time for bed gramps

I never even brought up essential liberty i think its a dumb and essentially meaningless term take your issue with the guy who posted that dumb quote in the first place

It's been 24 pages and more than a week. Seriously guys

[QUOTE=BFG9000;42872454]I'd share that sentiment but given the chance, if you were able to incapacitate an assailant and turn them into the police wouldn't you?[/QUOTE] No because I'm not trained, I'm not responsible and I recognise the danger that trying that would put me in. I trust the police to do their job far better than I could ever hope to do it.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;42878050]in these discussions i never really argue a banning of guns in the US. that would be retarded. i guess i call for harsher gun control, but even then i'm not sure that would even do anything in a country as ideologically fucked up as the united states the main thing i want to discuss and debate is the gun-culture itself and why it's really awful and archaic[/QUOTE] Hey, I'd like better gun control too. What bothers me is that they attack specific guns instead of improving the screening process, which is pretty much pointless because no matter what type of gun (or knife, bomb, or other potential weapon) a murderer has, they can still kill something with it.

[QUOTE=i-am-teh-sex;42786402]This is a ridiculous counter argument Shovels enable people to easily crack someones skull open, should gardening be banned now too? A butter knife can easily go into someones neck with enough force, should steel be banned next? Guns don't have some mystical evil will over gun owners, there are just bad people in this world, yet it's pieces of machinery being blamed[/QUOTE] This just in killing a man with a fucking butter knife is as easy as pointing and shooting a firearm at them Do you even read your posts before you ignorantly lay your frail pinkie-finger on the Enter key?

[QUOTE=Arc Nova;42880169]This just in killing a man with a fucking butter knife is as easy as pointing and shooting a firearm at them Do you even read your posts before you ignorantly lay your frail pinkie-finger on the Enter key?[/QUOTE] Because butter knives are totally what criminals use to hurt people

[QUOTE=BFG9000;42880230]Because butter knives are totally what criminals use to hurt people[/QUOTE] ... We all know that isnt what they use I was simply pointing out its a fuckton easier to kill someone with a gun than a dull butter knife

apparently my very close friend lives on the block where this happened, right over by Warren. If you guys want me to keep you updated on what's happening I'd be more than happy to.

[QUOTE=Arc Nova;42881099]... We all know that isnt what they use I was simply pointing out its a fuckton easier to kill someone with a gun than a dull butter knife[/QUOTE] True but this is also true for defense, so if person A attacks you it's easier to defend yourself with a gun.

good news, the idiot who shot her is now being charged with murder, so you can stop debating whether this was self-defense or not. [editline]16th November 2013[/editline] she showed up, knocked on his door, and he shot her in the head. first his story was that it went off accidentally, then he changed his story to self-defense, personally the guy was just a paranoid bastard who shot an innocent person in cold blood

[QUOTE=Sableye;42887452]good news, the idiot who shot her is now being charged with murder, so you can stop debating whether this was self-defense or not. [editline]16th November 2013[/editline] she showed up, knocked on his door, and he shot her in the head. first his story was that it went off accidentally, then he changed his story to self-defense, personally the guy was just a paranoid bastard who shot an innocent person in cold blood[/QUOTE] I'm not sure anyone was trying to argue this particular incident was self-defence, it seemed fairly obvious it was murder, people were just arguing about guns.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;42887510]I'm not sure anyone was trying to argue this particular incident was self-defence, it seemed fairly obvious it was murder, people were just arguing about guns.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's ubiquitous that the guy was an idiot and murdered an innocent woman out of racism.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42878043]I just think its a really bad example to try and compare british gun laws and principles considering they've been changed quite dramatically in response to tragedies. That is reactionary, not principles.[/QUOTE] So what gives you the right to determine US gun laws if you live within a totally different culture?

[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;42889865]So what gives you the right to determine US gun laws if you live within a totally different culture?[/QUOTE] He doesn't have the right to determine US gun laws, only your elected officials do. He does, however, have to right to comment on US gun laws which is precisely what he's doing.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;42889944]He doesn't have the right to determine US gun laws, only your elected officials do. He does, however, have to right to comment on US gun laws which is precisely what he's doing.[/QUOTE] I do however, have the right to not take his comments seriously due to the fact that he has no idea how the U.S. actually works.