Woman shot in the head after knocking on door and asking for help - Polidicks

[QUOTE=James*;42787905]I don't even think I was being inconsistent, it was clearly a rhetorical device since as I said objects can't [I]literally[/I] be designed to kill 'with intent'[/QUOTE] [I]Why are we still arguing.[/I] The point behind my initial comment is now gone because we clarified what you meant. I literally don't care anymore.

[QUOTE=Em See;42787892]why not just get them disabled[/QUOTE] Because then they don't work anymore... Not to mention that would destroy any collecter value they have.

[QUOTE=maxumym;42787920]Do they really?[/QUOTE] They seem to here in the UK, yes. When the majority of the populace doesn't have guns, the majority of the police doesn't need guns.

What this guy did was retarded, but at the topic at hand debating gun rights and all of that sort that you must not forget that [URL="http://overlawyered.com/2011/12/the-police-have-no-obligation-to-protect-you-yes-really/"][I][U][B]supreme court ruled of the united states ruled that the police are not obligated to protect you,[/B][/U][/I][/URL] so even if the police badges say "to serve and protect" they are not actually legally required to uphold it, even if they swore it in the past in some ceremonial, just remember that.

[QUOTE=darkrei9n;42787865]This is a horrible fucking attitude. You are seriously saying people should just roll over and hide in their own home while their stuff is getting stolen? Because the burglar doesn't want to hurt anyone?[/QUOTE] So I should use my superior attitude and hurt/kill another human being is that it? Such people sicken me.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42786461]Said absolutely no study ever on the matter. Did you know that simply owning this piece of moving metal can increase your likelihood of suicide of up 2-9 times the normal rate depending on how easy your access to it is? If its so inert why does it have this influence? There have been loads of studies on this. You're just in denial.[/QUOTE] There are 2 shotguns and 2 pistols in my house easily accessible. The two times I have had suicidal thoughts, using them never crossed my mind. I would have slit my throat with a knife.

[QUOTE=maxumym;42787920]Do they really?[/QUOTE] Yes And I feel freer (not safer) knowing that our authorities aren't as thoroughly armed

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;42787916]Why?[/QUOTE] we're talking about guns that would otherwise have to be taken away in the advent of stricter gun laws, yes? you mentioned not taking guns from people as they might be family heirlooms why wouldn't they be disabled, as opposed to a) letting people keep a live, restricted firearm or b) take it away? [QUOTE=viper shtf;42787931]Because then they don't work anymore... Not to mention that would destroy any collecter value they have.[/QUOTE] any why would you need a family heirloom firearm to work? see above as well for context specific stuff as for collector's value - unless your selling it to people who intend to actually use the firearm, the only value I can see that comes over a live vs disabled gun is directly related to the gun culture the stronger legislations would help to remove. we have plenty of gun collectors here who collect firearms, disabled (and not, where it's legal).

[QUOTE=Crazy;42786019]This is why people are bad.[/QUOTE] This is why guns for people are bad.

[QUOTE=Chili Banan;42787942]So I should use my superior attitude and hurt/kill another human being is that it? Such people sicken me.[/QUOTE] No, you stop them. Which only ends in them being hurt or killed if they don't back down. Stop them doesn't mean hurt or killing them. It means informing them that you are armed and that if they don't retreat they will be seriously injured or worse.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42787925][I]Why are we still arguing.[/I] The point behind my initial comment is now gone because we clarified what you meant. I literally don't care anymore.[/QUOTE] Okay, but you said I mistyped, which I didn't

[QUOTE=Em See;42787892]owning a gun because you like guns shouldn't be a reason to have a live firearm, at all[/QUOTE] Who are you, who lives in a distant and altogether different nation, to say what I can and cannot do?

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;42788021]Who are you, who lives in a distant and altogether different nation, to say what I can and cannot do?[/QUOTE] You must have serious issues with US foreign policy then

[QUOTE=James*;42788029]You must have serious issues with US foreign policy then[/QUOTE] go away.

[QUOTE=James*;42788029]You must have serious issues with US foreign policy then[/QUOTE] Yes.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;42788021]Who are you, who lives in a distant and altogether different nation, to say what I can and cannot do?[/QUOTE] That is not a shield from criticism. American's gun culture is looked upon with disdain by most of the world, like how bad things all over the world are looked upon. And rightly so.

Now us Americans wake up to a bunch of Europeans telling us to fix our country.

Thing is, most Americans don't really care how the world views us. Not saying that to try to be snarky or anything, every time someone in my global issues classes brought up an outside view of the US, that was the answer we got.

[QUOTE=darkrei9n;42787995]No, you stop them. Which only ends in them being hurt or killed if they don't back down. Stop them doesn't mean hurt or killing them. It means informing them that you are armed and that if they don't retreat they will be seriously injured or worse.[/QUOTE] You are missing the point. A lot. If they are armed and I tell them "Stop, I have a gun with which I can shoot you." Do you not think they will try to defend their own lives, with their guns too? The point is, nobody has to get hurt. Pulling a gun greatly increases that risk. Even if they had a gun in the first place, pulling one yourself increases the risk of harming anyone. As I have said in two posts previously, they are MOST LIKELY not out to harm you, neither do they really want to. If you didn't read properly or didn't read at all, please go back and consider the arguments I posed. Material possesions can be replaced, lives can't. I'd rather have them stealing the stuff than gambling with lives.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;42788085]Thing is, most Americans don't really care how the world views us. Not saying that to try to be snarky or anything, every time someone in my global issues classes brought up an outside view of the US, that was the answer we got.[/QUOTE] I'm sure the Taliban don't care what you think of them either. Whats your point?

Nothing justifies the reaction of the guy who did this, he must have been devoid of all common sense when he pulled that trigger. Either that, or he was probably messed up in the head somehow, or watched one too many cop camera/crime shows. Just because you have a gun doesn't make you a big man who gets a licence to shoot anybody who goes around knocking at your goddamn doorstep. Jesus Christ. The fact that the victim was shot when turning to leave just makes it even more disturbing to me.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;42788021]Who are you, who lives in a distant and altogether different nation, to say what I can and cannot do?[/QUOTE] lmao. (shit I've been needing to use this a lot lately, you guys have gotten massively retarded recently or I've just worked shit out perhaps, but it's getting silly) We can say what you can and cannot do as much as we damn well please. Remember, we're on the Internet, we aren't politicians in your country, we aren't lawmakers. We are allowed to discuss and debate your legal system and "rights" as much as we want. The joy of the Internet means we probably know a lot more about your country than most of the citizens who just sit around moaning do, the Internet is information. If we want to have informed debate on shit like gun laws, we can find stats and come to conclusions easily. But wait, gun culture! We can't ever criticise guns you guys! We might as well stop pretending and admit we're commie gooks who want to take their freedoms!

[QUOTE=W00tbeer1;42788067]Now us Americans wake up to a bunch of Europeans telling us to fix our country.[/QUOTE] sorry, guess we'll leave you to keep doing the stellar job you have been doing atm.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;42788021]Who are you, who lives in a distant and altogether different nation, to say what I can and cannot do?[/QUOTE] who says I was talking to, or judging you there? I said "kinda somewhat related" because I was going off on a tangent I'm not saying what [B]you[/B] can and cannot do in my opinion, owning a gun because you like guns shouldn't be a reason to have a live firearm, at all better? I'm not here entirely trying to argue, I'm more interested with what people have to actually say, particularly those who subscribe to gun culture

I can't remember which philosopher said it, but he suggested that the world would be a better place if only foreigners could vote in a countries election :v: He's probably right we regards to america at least.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42788059]That is not a shield from criticism. American's gun culture is looked upon with disdain by most of the world, like how bad things all over the world are looked upon. And rightly so.[/QUOTE] Things are bad here, but not in the ways that you think. Gun culture is an insignificant drop in the ocean compared to issues like an unhealthy economy, rampant poverty, schizophrenic healthcare, a growing wealth gap, incompetent and self-serving politicians, half-trained and undisciplined police, urban and infrastructural decay, government financial incompetence, a bloody protracted war, and many, many other issues. The problems with gun culture are insignificant compared to these. Why do you choose to focus on the splinter in our hand when we have a tree branch lodged in our gut?

When your 'National' Security Agency stops bugging our phone lines then you have the right to tell us to butt out of your affairs :~)

[QUOTE=James*;42788006]Okay, but you said I mistyped, which I didn't[/QUOTE] Okay so you just assumed that everyone in the thread would have your exact meaning in mind when you used a term where it doesn't work?

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42788150]Okay so you just assumed that everyone in the thread would have your exact meaning in mind when you used a term where it doesn't work?[/QUOTE] Urgh I haven't seen anyone else complaining

[QUOTE=CheeseMan;42788131]sorry, guess we'll leave you to keep doing the stellar job you have been doing atm.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I guess I find it interesting how Europeans take such a keen interest in everything that happens in America while most Americans don't give two shits what happens in your country (no offense).