Woman shot in the head after knocking on door and asking for help - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Chili Banan;42788336]What if they go mental when they already own a gun?[/QUOTE] Maybe half year licence renewals? You can't stop things like this completely. The first step would be better standards in all states.

[QUOTE=Mabus;42786477]So we punish everyone for the actions of a group of morons who shouldn't even have a gun in the first place.[/QUOTE] So do you have a suggestion on how guns can be kept away from idiots with second-to-none failure rate? Because that's impossible without NRA & friends cockblocking it because [I]GUNS = FREEDUMS!![/I]

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;42788329]I think there should be stricter background checks so people like this won't even get to touch a gun[/QUOTE] Too bad that a lot of people think that stricter background checks = "COMMUOBAMA BIN LADEN WANTS TO TAKE MUH GUNS AWAY SO THE REPTILIANS CAN TAKE OVER OUR FREEDOM"

Thought I'd clarify something before everyone jumps on me as a freedom-hating red. I don't dislike guns, from an engineering standpoint they are really interesting. And there is a certain appeal to the aesthetic of some guns. I also expect firing them at ranges is very therapeutic and quite fun if you have some variety. But I do dislike the idea of personal ownership for defence or open/concealed carry. Keeping them locked in a safe at a range, or at home I guess, in such a way that theft would require removal of the safe seems fair enough. Not for shooting intruders, not for wandering the streets with. Now that I think about it, that sounds kinda similar to the requirements for ownership over here.

[QUOTE=James*;42788359]Maybe outsiders' perspectives are worth acknowledging [I]because[/I] they are external and aren't influenced by deep historical/cultural baggage[/QUOTE] The problem with dealing with cultural baggage is that it's just that: cultural baggage. That is not something that can quickly or easily be dealt with. In the face of much larger and more pressing issues, it takes a backseat.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42788366]This is false. The access to illegal firearms correlates directly to the availability of legal ones. That is why a crappy handgun with a handful of bullets if you're lucky in the UK can cost $4000. This is why most criminals don't have one.[/QUOTE] the UK isn't right next to mexico tho

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42788402]Thought I'd clarify something before everyone jumps on me as a freedom-hating red. I don't dislike guns, from an engineering standpoint they are really interesting. And there is a certain appeal to the aesthetic of some guns. I also expect firing them at ranges is very therapeutic and quite fun if you have some variety. But I do dislike the idea of personal ownership for defence or open/concealed carry. Keeping them locked in a safe at a range, or at home I guess, in such a way that theft would require removal of the safe seems fair enough. Not for shooting intruders, not for wandering the streets with. Now that I think about it, that sounds kinda similar to the requirements for ownership over here.[/QUOTE] That's a reasonable stance that I wouldn't object to seeing over here. Too many people have this action movie-inspired self defense fantasy that will only lead to unneeded expenditures and pointless deaths. EDIT: I don't have a problem with British gun laws. They don't affect me, and I'm sure they're perfectly acceptable for you fellows. To be frank though, while I do appreciate the attitude behind UK gun culture (it would be very nice if it were more widespread over here), I'm not sure I like the idea of heavy regulation taking place in the US. We're leery of heavy regulation as a rule over here.

[QUOTE=Van-man;42788385]So do you have a suggestion on how guns can be kept away from idiots with second-to-none failure rate? Because that's impossible without NRA & friends cockblocking it because [I]GUNS = FREEDUMS!![/I][/QUOTE] Dissolve the NRA, revamp your political system to remove ridiculous lobbying bullshit and then recreate a Gun association that isn't comprised of wild, gaping assholes?

[QUOTE=James*;42788149]When your 'National' Security Agency stops bugging our phone lines then you have the right to tell us to butt out of your affairs :~)[/QUOTE] Who was this even supposed to be directed at?

[QUOTE=Laferio;42788434]the UK isn't right next to mexico tho[/QUOTE] I'm sure I've come across stats for this. More guns go into Mexico than out, more drugs come out instead. Though with the amount you've had pumping through South America from years of lax control it wouldn't be hard to reverse. [editline]edited[/editline] [QUOTE=Laferio;42788463][citation needed][/QUOTE] Give me time dammit. Gotta hunt sources down. Yup, thought I was kinda right; [url]http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/113/smuggling_guns_and_ammunition/194[/url] Reports linked from here suggest most guns are coming out of the States, not going in.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42788452]I'm sure I've come across stats for this. More guns go into Mexico than out, more drugs come out instead. Though with the amount you've had pumping through South America from years of lax control it wouldn't be hard to reverse.[/QUOTE] [citation needed]

[QUOTE=Laferio;42788434]the UK isn't right next to mexico tho[/QUOTE] Firearms don't come from mexico. Mexico gets its illegal firearms from the US. Money and guns go south, drugs go north. That is how that trade works. But thanks for bringing that point up, I'm sure Mexico would greatly appreciate if your arms industry stopped destabilizing its entire country.

[QUOTE=RosettaStoned;42788450]Who was this even supposed to be directed at?[/QUOTE] you

oh my god i just did a wee bit of research and holy fuck how's mexico gettn that many guns from the US who's fuckn selln them daaaamn

[QUOTE=Laferio;42788463][citation needed][/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_firearms_into_Mexico[/url] [quote] "According to [U.S.] Justice Department figures, in the past five years 94,000 weapons have been recovered from Mexican drug cartels, of which 64,000 -- 70 percent -- come from the United States."[3][/quote]

Funny how "guns are just tools" is apparently a valid argument now. Yes, guns are tools...tools made specifically for killing people. Do you want retards killing people left and right? No? How about not giving them the tools that are designed to do just that?

[QUOTE=Laferio;42788475]oh my god i just did a wee bit of research and holy fuck how's mexico gettn that many guns from the US who's fuckn selln them daaaamn[/QUOTE] Hey, think of it this way. If your country does the right thing the South 'Murricas might start to stabilise a bit! And I mean really, why would the States need guns from Mexico? You have a huge number of manufactures of military grade hardware, civilian hardware, special purpose equipment, etc. Mexico has...AK knock offs?

[QUOTE=Laferio;42788475]oh my god i just did a wee bit of research and holy fuck how's mexico gettn that many guns from the US who's fuckn selln them daaaamn[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Firearms_manufacturers_in_the_United_States[/url]

[QUOTE=bravehat;42788443]Dissolve the NRA, revamp your political system to remove ridiculous lobbying bullshit and then recreate a Gun association that isn't comprised of wild, gaping assholes?[/QUOTE] Good luck.

[QUOTE=Chili Banan;42788253]They have weapons to defend themselves against homeowners with weapons. The homeowners never really feel safe though. The homeowners live in a constant fear and paranoia that people have guns, so they get one themselves. I still strongly believe that things can be resolved without the possible hurting. I guess we just have different opinions.[/QUOTE] I believe things can be handled peacefully too. However I am going to be prepared for the worst. I'm not afraid of someone breaking into my house. But I want to be prepared for the worst. I don't want to hurt anyone if I can help it. However I won't just roll over either.

[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;42785975]We live in the 21st century now, not the 18th century. Why does America still need guns in their constitution?[/QUOTE] To defend from a tyrannical Government take over which WILL happen. You think Cops are there for that? Cops are NOT your friends, the average response time for a single unit officer is 15 - 20 minutes IF YOU ARE LUCKY. Cops are there to protect Government establishments, that is their only priority and to arrest people that question or protest this. Criminals have more protection and rights then the people they victimize. Former cops and soldiers will tell you this. Once society has been disarmed the Government can reign freely and feed and leach off of everyone. You ban guns you allow it to be easier, not harder for criminals to get them. Every person in my neighborhood owns at least one gun and there has not been a single criminal act in 20 years in my area. But despite all that, I'm still the "EVIL HOMOPHOBIC CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN FAUX NEWS WATCHAAAAAAAAAA!" Every gun debate about taking guns has failed miserably. [QUOTE=Lurker;42785885]This is why guns are bad.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/guns-kill-people-american-dad-meme.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=darkrei9n;42788576]I believe things can be handled peacefully too. However I am going to be prepared for the worst. I'm not afraid of someone breaking into my house. But I want to be prepared for the worst. I don't want to hurt anyone if I can help it. However I won't just roll over either.[/QUOTE] By presenting yourself with a weapon, you're reducing the chances of things going down peacefully.

[QUOTE=darkrei9n;42788576]I believe things can be handled peacefully too.[B] However I am going to be prepared for the worst.[/B] I'm not afraid of someone breaking into my house. But I want to be prepared for the worst. I don't want to hurt anyone if I can help it. However I won't just roll over either.[/QUOTE] So, you're paranoid basically? Expecting the worst and thinking the appropriate action is "I need a thing to kill the worst!" doesn't seem like a healthy train of thought. Home intrusions aren't going to be guys who want you dead, they are going to be guys who want your stuff for money. Stuff is replaceable.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42788607]So, you're paranoid basically? Expecting the worst and thinking the appropriate action is "I need a thing to kill the worst!" doesn't seem like a healthy train of thought. Home intrusions aren't going to be guys who want you dead, they are going to be guys who want your stuff for money. Stuff is replaceable.[/QUOTE] You can never tell what the other guy's thinking. Don't be so naive

Fine. Ban guns. Ill just have the guy from the slingshot channel build me a slingshot that fires flaming bowie knives with a tacticool rail and scope. There's always a back up.

[QUOTE=lolz3;42788597]To defend from a tyrannical Government take over which WILL happen. You think Cops are there for that? Cops are NOT your friends, the average response time for a single unit officer is 15 - 20 minutes IF YOU ARE LUCKY. Cops are there to protect Government establishments, that is their only priority and to arrest people that question or protest this. Criminals have more protection and rights then the people they victimize. Former cops and soldiers will tell you this. Once society has been disarmed the Government can reign freely and feed and leach off of everyone. You ban guns you allow it to be easier, not harder for criminals to get them. Every person in my neighborhood owns at least one gun and there has not been a single criminal act in 20 years in my area. But despite all that, I'm still the "EVIL HOMOPHOBIC CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN FAUX NEWS WATCHAAAAAAAAAA!" Every gun debate about taking guns has failed miserably.[/QUOTE] I'm wheezing lmao poes law

[QUOTE=fireball397;42788638]You can never tell what the other guy's thinking. Don't be so naive[/QUOTE] That works both ways you know.

[QUOTE=lolz3;42788597]To defend from a tyrannical Government take over which WILL happen[/QUOTE] What about the ol' checks and balances

Some people aren't going to roll over and just allow robbers to take their stuff if they enter their homes though, this causes conflict of interest between both sides. Bringing a weapon into the mix is capable of escalating the situation, sure, but you can't also figure out all the possibilities and permutations in any given situation even if you owned a supercomputer for a brain. Even then, the supercomputer will fail sometime because there's absolutely no telling what can happen in a given scenario because of the unpredictability of human nature.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42788649]I'm wheezing lmao poes law[/QUOTE] Don't believe me, look at your own country there bud. "MUH GUN VIOLENCE NOT EXIST!" You're right, but your knife violence is almost double then ours.