[QUOTE=!LORD M!;50572691]Yeah I understand what you're saying. But, we have to look at the events that led up to all of that to put things into context - the New Year's Eve sexual assaults across all of Germany committed by said men with middle eastern appearance and the attempts to cover it all up by the police under the orders of politicians. And then all the other events that just pile on and on and on indefinetly.[/QUOTE]
They were covering up their own shortcommings, it's not a great conspiracy dude.
Just like they tried to cover up the death of this dude who fucking burnt to death in his cell inside the police quarter:
[url]https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oury_Jalloh[/url]
Point being, police likes to cover shit up. We've had to fight for YEARS to make them wear anonymized numbers when in riot gear because police violence against protesters was so common.
What other events that pile on and on? What I see here is a lot of confirmation bias.
Dude we have a party here on the rise that uses old Nazi slogans and rhetoric and you are telling me the problems are the refugees?
Also the Cologne incident was mainly done by North Africans, not "men with middle eastern appearance".
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Svinnik;50572737]literally no difference, Islamism is the political arm of Islam like how Zionism is the political arm of Judaism.[/QUOTE]
This is not what you or I mean when we say "Islamism" and you know that and they are not the same thing and you know that too.
Maybe I should've been more precise and say Extremist Islamism.
Are you really going to defend that its safer for German jews to move to Israel?
Where your kids get drafted? Where there is a war with Palestine every few years?
[QUOTE=Killuah;50572652]Also Jews fleeing Germany to Israel of all places because of fear of Islamism? Is this dude telling me they are fleeing to a country much much closer to ISIS and that is basically in constant war because they fear Islamism?[/QUOTE]
Why would Jews run to a Jewish state run by a Jewish government and protected by a majority Jewish military/police force when they are in fear of being attacked because they are Jewish
???
They'll at least have guarantees of having a government that will protect them as much as they possibly can.
[QUOTE]Jewish man beaten in Berlin for wearing kippah[/QUOTE]
It's a sad day when I can tell the attacker's ethnicity and origin just from the headline alone.
Syrian refugees have become a cancer to any country that chose to accept them. Regardless of the fact that many of the refugees are innocent people, it's undeniable there are far too many utter savages that have made it into our countries. I only fear that it'll take countless years for these attacks to stop, and that until then, countless will continue to be harmed.
[QUOTE=Monkah;50572777]It's a sad day when I can tell the attacker's race just from the headline alone.
Syrian refugees have become a cancer to any country that chose to accept them. Regardless of the fact that many of the refugees are innocent people, it's undeniable there are far too many utter savages that have made it into our countries. I only fear that it'll take countless years for these attacks to stop.[/QUOTE]
No that's called prejudice and yes that's really sad also nice post you're a real humanist I see.
Dude there are more attacks liket that happenig on the 4 million visitor Sailing fest in my city this year. Is that fest now cancer to my city?
[QUOTE=Killuah;50572781]No that's called prejudice and yes that's really sad also nice post you're a real humanist I see.[/QUOTE]
It's not prejudiced. In a normal society, people aren't brutalized over their religion.
These attacks aren't just some random occurrence that're just [I]conveniently[/I] happening now. There is a very clear cause and effect, the cause being that Germany decided to import countless numbers of people, an unfortunate number of which clearly cannot live alongside us peacefully.
If we're going to take in Syrian refugees, we need to have an effective way of screening them. Otherwise, shit like this will continue to happen.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50572740]
This is not what you or I mean when we say "Islamism" and you know that and they are not the same thing and you know that too.
Maybe I should've been more precise and say Extremist Islamism.
Are you really going to defend that its safer for German jews to move to Israel?
Where your kids get drafted? Where there is a war with Palestine every few years?[/QUOTE]
israel is safer than Germany and the US
[URL="http://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Israel&country2=Germany"]http://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Israel&country2=Germany[/URL]
[URL="http://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Israel&country2=United+States"]http://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Israel&country2=United+States[/URL]
Even when there is war with Hamas, it's still safer because of Iron Dome. If you're a soldier, you're still pretty safe. Let's use Operation protective edge as an example;
[IMG]https://i.gyazo.com/a09b59c9f2bc1ddcc14eb2cd9c25d381.png[/IMG]
so i take those numbers and plug them in
[IMG]https://i.gyazo.com/3b09a154f86c02f407900dd76b862b98.png[/IMG]
The soldiers aren't in that much of a greater danger on average because they are actually trained well and because they have the advantage in almost every way.
also about the islamism thing:
[QUOTE]Islamists may emphasize the implementation of Sharia (Islamic law);[5] of pan-Islamic political unity,[5] including an Islamic state;[6] and of the selective removal of non-Muslim, particularly Western military, economic, political, social, or cultural influences in the Muslim world that they believe to be incompatible with Islam.[5]
Some observers (such as Graham Fuller) suggest Islamism's tenets are less strict, and can be defined as a form of identity politics or "support for [Muslim] identity, authenticity, broader regionalism, revivalism, [and] revitalization of the community."[7] Following the Arab Spring, political Islam became heavily involved with political democracy,[4][8] but also spawned "the most aggressive and ambitious Islamist militia" to date, ISIS.[4]
Islamists[9] generally oppose the use of the term, claiming that their political beliefs and goals are simply an expression of Islamic religious belief. Similarly, some experts (Bernard Lewis) favor the term "activist Islam",[10][11] and some (Robin Wright) have equated the term "militant Islam" with Islamism.[12][/QUOTE]
It looks like a duck, it quacks like a duck and so on
It would help if these articles weren't always so vague. [I]Of middle eastern appearance[/I] is extremely broad, to the point where you get these situations that everyone from the middle-east is demonized
[QUOTE=Monkah;50572807]It's not prejudiced. In a normal society, people aren't brutalized over their religion.
These attacks aren't just some random occurrence that're just [I]conveniently[/I] happening now. There is a very clear cause and effect, the cause being that Germany decided to import countless numbers of people, an unfortunate number of which clearly cannot live alongside us peacefully.
If we're going to take in Syrian refugees, we need to have an effective way of screening them. Otherwise, shit like this will continue to happen.[/QUOTE]
It is prejudiced when you start making assumptions before reading the article.
[QUOTE=WPlayer;50572816]It would help if these articles weren't always so vague. [I]Of middle eastern appearance[/I] is extremely broad, to the point where you get these situations that everyone from the middle-east is demonized[/QUOTE] Well it's obviously immigrants from an Islamic country. We have seen huge increase in vandalization of synagogue and harassment to jews done by immigrants from Islamic countries. And it's not really surprising either they come from countries where jews are hated and killed.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50572960]It is prejudiced when you start making assumptions before reading the article.[/QUOTE]
You show the most prejudice than anyone else on here.
You are defending religious hatred based on the fact that other groups do it more, this doesn't make it right though.
Shoutout to Svinnik for actually bringing stats into a thread dominated by anecdotal evidence and impressions based on what makes headlines and well-selling news stories.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50573010]You show the most prejudice than anyone else on here.
You are defending religious hatred based on the fact that other groups do it more, this doesn't make it right though.[/QUOTE]
I am not defending religious hatred, I am questioning the focus of the attention.
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Monkah;50572807]It's not prejudiced. In a normal society, people aren't brutalized over their religion.
These attacks aren't just some random occurrence that're just [I]conveniently[/I] happening now. There is a very clear cause and effect, the cause being that Germany decided to import countless numbers of people, an unfortunate number of which clearly cannot live alongside us peacefully.
If we're going to take in Syrian refugees, we need to have an effective way of screening them. Otherwise, shit like this will continue to happen.[/QUOTE]
Nobody is importing them btw. why do you and some other users on this forum use this phrase?
[QUOTE=Killuah;50573043]I am not defending religious hatred, I am questioning the focus of the attention.[/QUOTE]
You have a history of constantly defending Islamic behaviour on the grounds that it's racist or prejudice to bring the issue up.
I am beginning to wonder if you are actually extremist without realising it.
[QUOTE]According to the 21-year-old victim, three men of Arabic appearance reacted to his kippah - a religious cap worn by Jewish men - and then started to insult him.
[/QUOTE]
You don't even have to read the article to know that it was Arabs that did it, it explicitly says it in the article.
Nobody needs to import them, they import themselves and then take up tons of resources. Here's a picture of all the refugee camps in Germany:
[IMG]http://www.dw.com/image/0,,18589805_303,00.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50573054]You have a history of constantly defending Islamic behaviour on the grounds that it's racist or prejudice to bring the issue up.
I am beginning to wonder if you are actually extremist without realising it.[/QUOTE]
What is Islamic behaviour?
I advocate judging people by their doings.
I defend people like you judging people by the doing of others.
I think automatically assuming all Saxons are Nazis despite a LOT of Nazi stuff happening over there is just as stupid as judging Muslims by the doings of Extremists.
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Svinnik;50573065]You don't even have to read the article to know that it was Arabs that did it, it explicitly says it in the article.
Nobody needs to import them, they import themselves and then take up tons of resources. Here's a picture of all the refugee camps in Germany:
[IMG]http://www.dw.com/image/0,,18589805_303,00.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I know that Arabs did it but wtf is this shit
[quote]You don't even have to read the article to know that it was Arabs that did it[/quote]
-snip-
[QUOTE=Killuah;50573073]What is Islamic behaviour?
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
I know that Arabs did it but wtf is this shit[/QUOTE]
because it has the quote straight in the OP? You don't have to read the article itself, just read the few sentences and you'll know who did it.
I know that it's in the article I just said that ?
The point is not that I somehow say it wasn't Arabs, the point is that "I don't need to read the article to know it was Arabs" is really stupid.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50573073]What is Islamic behaviour?
I advocate judging people by their doings.
I defend people like you judging people by the doing of others.
I think automatically assuming all Saxons are Nazis despite a LOT of Nazi stuff happening over there is just as stupid as judging Muslims by the doings of Extremists.
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
I know that Arabs did it but wtf is this shit[/QUOTE]
My point being you cannot justify any behaviour on the grounds that others are worse.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50573086]I know that it's in the article I just said that ?
The point is not that I somehow say it wasn't Arabs, the point is that "I don't need to read the article to know it was Arabs" is really stupid.[/QUOTE]
All you need to do is read the quote in the OP which is separate from the entire article itself. Reading the OP quote doesn't equal reading the entire article.
My point being that focusing on certain issues when others(for example a Nazi party voted into parliament) are much more pressing is stupid?
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Svinnik;50573093]All you need to do is read the quote in the OP which is separate from the entire article itself. Reading the OP quote doesn't equal reading the entire article.[/QUOTE]
Wait is your reply to me saying that "I don't need to read the article to know it was Arabs" really that it's in the OPs quote?
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50573090]My point being you cannot justify any behaviour on the grounds that others are worse.[/QUOTE]
Who is justifying any behaviour here btw?
[QUOTE=Killuah;50573096]My point being that focusing on certain issues when others(for example a Nazi party voted into parliament) are much more pressing is stupid?[/QUOTE]
But nobody is really focused on certain issues, you seem to be focused on defending immigrants and muslims by constantly telling us how other groups/incidents are worse.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50573096]My point being that focusing on certain issues when others(for example a Nazi party voted into parliament) are much more pressing is stupid?[/QUOTE]
Maybe the Nazi party wouldn't have been voted in if not for the refugees acting like shits? It's not hard to see why an ultra nationalist party would become popular after the mass molestation of German women by refugees and by refugees attacking Jews and other Germans.
[QUOTE]Wait is your reply to me saying that "I don't need to read the article to know it was Arabs" really that it's in the OPs quote?
[/QUOTE]
yes?
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50573106]But nobody is really focused on certain issues, you seem to be focused on defending immigrants and muslims by constantly telling us how other groups/incidents are worse.[/QUOTE]
Yes I am defending most immigrants and muslims, I am not defending people like the ones in the OP.
I am not telling you that other issues are worse to defend people like in the OP, I am pointing these out to tell you that other matters are much more pressing.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50573096]My point being that focusing on certain issues when others(for example a Nazi party voted into parliament) are much more pressing is stupid?[/QUOTE]
People don't want immigrants whose culture and way of life is incompatible to theirs in their country, so no shit those people are voting the party in who wants to get rid of them. The nazi party getting more popularity is a direct result of the increased refugee intake.
I don't agree with the ultra-right wing parties but I completely understand the reasoning behind why people want them.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;50573107]Maybe the Nazi party wouldn't have been voted in if not for the refugees acting like shits? It's not hard to see why an ultra nationalist party would become popular after the mass molestation of German women by refugees and by refugees attacking Jews and other Germans.
[/QUOTE]
Did you forget Greece and Golden Dawn?
Czech Republic?
Poland and PIS?
Hungary and Orban?
[QUOTE=Killuah;50573117]Yes I am defending most immigrants and muslims, I am not defending people like the ones in the OP.
I am not telling you that other issues are worse to defend people like in the OP, I am pointing these out to tell you that other matters are much more pressing.[/QUOTE]
You should open a seperate thread to inform us of these issues and not post in unrelated threads then.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50573086]I know that it's in the article I just said that ?
The point is not that I somehow say it wasn't Arabs, the point is that "I don't need to read the article to know it was Arabs" is really stupid.[/QUOTE]
It is based on probability. You are taking probability personally.
[QUOTE=Araknid;50573120]People don't want immigrants whose culture and way of life is incompatible to theirs in their country, so no shit those people are voting the party in who wants to get rid of them.
I don't agree with the ultra-right wing parties but I completely understand the reasoning behind why people want them.[/QUOTE]
Who is "people"?
We have hundreds of thousands of volunteers helping refugees each day.
I get that you don't really know how it is here but most of the Anti-Refugee people I have experienced here are jobless losers with little education blaming all of their problems on foreigners when in reality it's the banking crisis, capitalism and much much more abstract things causing problems.
Why do you think the Ultra-Right wing party is mostly voted in the EX-soviet areas of my country where unemployment rate is absolutely high and education is low?
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rajpCk-Ts0[/media]
1:17
look at them eating their kebap, rambling about how there's "Too many foreigners" and when asked "did the refugees change anything about YOUR life" she can't answer.
Their main complaints are about decline of buisines, being fed up with politicians and a general feeling of disconnection with society.
That has NOTHING to do with refugees.
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
Oh by the way did I meantion how [B]one of the representatives of the Ultra-Right wing party AfD Wolfgang Gedeon is currently in hot waters because of Anti-Semitic writings?[/B]
The dude really believes in "protocols of the elders of zion"
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
Oh and of course Holocause Relativism and the US government being controlled by the jewish puppetmasters from Israel
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
So why again is some dudes giving each other bruises in the street worth a thread and a news article, but when actual anti-semitic politicians are voted into our parliaments it's also
[quote]so no shit those people are voting the party in who wants to get rid of them. The nazi party getting more popularity is a direct result of the increased refugee intake.[/quote]
So wait are you saying that until something changes in YOUR life DIRECTLY because of some political event you can't complain about it? Well then most Ukrainians have no right to complain about Crimea then. Or when you are affected indirectly. I guess only the German jew from the OP has any actual reason to oppose immigration right?
And your ultra-right-politicians are being elected because they are the only ones addressing the problem without being afraid of being called racists (because they are self admitted racists no less, but that changes nothing) while the rest of your government will do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING not to be called racists, going as far as causing an Arab exodus to Germany. And so people elect those who talk about their concerns freely, and not those who are afraid to have a single second question about non-white migrants.
And don't you fucking dare call bullshit on that because you are a primary example of someone who assumes that if someone is talking about negatives of that immigration or talks about something bad that the migrants did, that has to mean they are a racists islamophobes.
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