You know its fucking funny when those attackers probably like to bitch about feeling discriminated against just because they are Muslims and then they to do this type of shit because someone wearing a Kipplah is probably an Israeli Zionist terrorist who killed gorillions of Palestinians back in the holy land.
And the sad fact is that antisemitism happens quite frequently here too,especially the youths,through propaganda in social media
[QUOTE=Killuah;50573157]Who is "people"?
We have hundreds of thousands of volunteers helping refugees each day.
I get that you don't really know how it is here but most of the Anti-Refugee people I have experienced here are jobless losers with little education blaming all of their problems on foreigners when in reality it's the banking crisis, capitalism and much much more abstract things causing problems.[/QUOTE]
Yet the employment rate is the highest among AfD-voters, a higher percentage has a job compared to other parties. Interesting.
Lower education often means they have more to do with immigrants, as in they experience them more in the day-to-day life. But yes, it's mainly because they are dumb and unemployed.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50572566]Strange how it is always an article from TheLocal
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
Hate to break it to you but most people from around the Middle East are semites[/QUOTE]
When people say antisemetic they usually mean anti-jew.
And a lot of middle easterners are.
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Fourier;50573149]It is based on probability. You are taking probability personally.[/QUOTE]
At this point you can pretty much assume that taking an objective / scientific approach to problems instead of feeling it out is going to make you called a bigot. Statistics are offensive.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50572960]It is prejudiced when you start making assumptions before reading the article.[/QUOTE]
Everyone is "prejudiced", it's completely natural and normal
It's important to be aware of your prejudice, but we all hear things and then make assumptions. That's just how humans work.
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Killuah;50573086]I know that it's in the article I just said that ?
The point is not that I somehow say it wasn't Arabs, the point is that "I don't need to read the article to know it was Arabs" is really stupid.[/QUOTE]
You literally don't need to read the article to know that it's an Arabs and/or muslim though, the numbers are unbelievably disproportionate when it comes to certain kinds of hate crime.
[QUOTE="Radical_ed"]
At this point you can pretty much assume that taking an objective / scientific approach to problems instead of feeling it out is going to make you called a bigot. Statistics are offensive.[/QUOTE]
Emotions are stronger than reason.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;50573330]So wait are you saying that until something changes in YOUR life DIRECTLY because of some political event you can't complain about it? Well then most Ukrainians have no right to complain about Crimea then. Or when you are affected indirectly. I guess only the German jew from the OP has any actual reason to oppose immigration right?
And your ultra-right-politicians are being elected because they are the only ones addressing the problem without being afraid of being called racists (because they are self admitted racists no less, but that changes nothing) while the rest of your government will do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING not to be called racists, going as far as causing an Arab exodus to Germany. And so people elect those who talk about their concerns freely, and not those who are afraid to have a single second question about non-white migrants.
And don't you fucking dare call bullshit on that because you are a primary example of someone who assumes that if someone is talking about negatives of that immigration or talks about something bad that the migrants did, that has to mean they are a racists islamophobes.[/QUOTE]
Arab exodus? What? Are you aware of the refugee numbers????
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Firewarrior;50573400]Yet the employment rate is the highest among AfD-voters, a higher percentage has a job compared to other parties. Interesting.
Lower education often means they have more to do with immigrants, as in they experience them more in the day-to-day life. But yes, it's mainly because they are dumb and unemployed.[/QUOTE]
Yet employment rate is the lowest in the areas where AfD is the strongest.
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
Tbh it even makes sense since the AfD also has stopping all anti-unemployment programes in their manifesto
[QUOTE=Killuah;50574074]Arab exodus? What? Are you aware of the refugee numbers????[/QUOTE]
Hundreds of thousands people marched through balkans and sailed through the sea to get to central europe. The promised save haven.
And, by no surprise, way to concentrate on a single term while ignoring the other 90% of my post.
The real sad thing here is that people are now being labeled racist for stating that there is a problem linked to a certain ethnic group. Then those same people who are accusing others of racism or islamophobia are covering their hypocritical ass by saying " look here it happens as well but with a different ethnic group/religious group/ideological group, therefore this isn't anything special".
Like WTF guys?? This shit is not okay, You are not protecting anything or anyone by defending a group's actions.
While it may not be EVERYONE in this ethnic group committing these crimes, You've got to be asinine to think that this wouldn't happen with such a large integration of two VERY incompatible cultures.
It's not racist to point out an obvious trend that frankly most people saw coming.
Despicable.
Moral of this story? Stop sweeping shit under the rug in an attempt to be an overly PC asshole, you're literally causing more problems than you're fixing.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;50574195]Hundreds of thousands people marched through balkans and sailed through the sea to get to central europe. The promised save haven.
And, by no surprise, way to concentrate on a single term while ignoring the other 90% of my post.[/QUOTE]
I'm tired of the "dissect quote" stuff to be honest.
The first part of your post is just "wait are you saying" with an aexageration so really not worth the time but lets try using this "wait are you saying" reply-bait:
Wait, by saying "Arab exodus" are you saying arabs are leaving the middle east in escape or persecution, misery and in search for a better future for themselves and their family just like the Jews did?
Hmm... not to bad actually
[quote]And so people elect those who talk about their concerns freely, and not those who are afraid to have a single second question about non-white migrants.[/quote]
"Non-White"
All right.
There we have it.
Thanks dude.
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;50574204]The real sad thing here is that people are now being labeled racist for stating that there is a problem linked to a certain ethnic group. Then those same people who are accusing others of racism or islamophobia are covering their hypocritical ass by saying " look here it happens as well but with a different ethnic group/religious group/ideological group, therefore this isn't anything special".
Like WTF guys?? This shit is not okay, You are not protecting anything or anyone by defending a group's actions.
While it may not be EVERYONE in this ethnic group committing these crimes, You've got to be asinine to think that this wouldn't happen with such a large integration of two VERY incompatible cultures.
It's not racist to point out an obvious trend that frankly most people saw coming.
Despicable.
Moral of this story? Stop sweeping shit under the rug in an attempt to be an overly PC asshole, you're literally causing more problems than you're fixing.[/QUOTE]
You are right in the regard that we knew that there would be problems and that's why all pro-refugee groups are calling for a proactive programes to not repeat the mistakes we made in the 60s and 70s
[QUOTE=Killuah;50574277]I'm tired of the "dissect quote" stuff to be honest.
The first part of your post is just "wait are you saying" with an aexageration so really not worth the time but lets try using this "wait are you saying" reply-bait:[/QUOTE]
What? This is what you posted.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50573157]look at them eating their kebap, [U]rambling [/U]about how there's "Too many foreigners" and when asked "did the refugees change anything about [B][U]YOUR [/U][/B]life" she can't answer.[/QUOTE]
If you did not mean that "if you're not directly affected you shouldn't complain" then why did you post that? What was your point here?
[QUOTE=Killuah;50574277]Wait, by saying "Arab exodus" are you saying arabs are leaving the middle east in escape or persecution, misery and in search for a better future for themselves and their family just like the Jews did?
Hmm... not to bad actually[/QUOTE]
So you're saying all people migrating here from middle east are war refugees? We know that's not true. That's the problem of the open-border policy.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50574277]"Non-White"
All right.
There we have it.
Thanks dude.[/QUOTE]
What the hell is that supposed to mean? I remember you lecturing me in the other thread on being snide.
It's getting bad when you can just read the title and you automatically know that it was a muslim and not a neo-nazi.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;50574326]What? This is what you posted.
If you did not mean that "if you're not directly affected you shouldn't complain" then why did you post that? What was your point here?
So you're saying all people migrating here from middle east are war refugees? We know that's not true. That's the problem of the open-border policy.
What the hell is that supposed to mean? I remember you lecturing me in the other thread on being snide.[/QUOTE]
The fact that you just used the term "non-white" refugees and are not even aware of what you're saying even when it's pointed out should speak enough I don't think there is anything to add
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;50574326]
So you're saying all people migrating here from middle east are war refugees? We know that's not true. That's the problem of the open-border policy.
[/QUOTE]
What about "in escape or persecution, misery and in search for a better future for themselves and their family " did you not understand?
[QUOTE=Killuah;50574662]The fact that you just used the term "non-white" refugees and are not even aware of what you're saying even when it's pointed out should speak enough I don't think there is anything to add
[editline]23rd June 2016[/editline]
What about "in escape or persecution, misery and in search for a better future for themselves and their family " did you not understand?[/QUOTE]
Dictionary definition of refugee
[quote]a person who flees for refuge or safety, especially to a foreign country, as in time of political upheaval, war, etc. [/quote]
Dictionary definition of economic migrant
[quote]a person who leaves their home country to live in another country with better working or living conditions[/quote]
A fairly large amount of the 'refugees' coming into Europe are not refugees which are what are supposed to be coming in, and are economic migrants.
[editline]24th June 2016[/editline]
I wouldn't be surprised if most of the violence and shit were done by economic migrants instead of refugees
[QUOTE=Killuah;50574662]The fact that you just used the term "non-white" refugees and are not even aware of what you're saying even when it's pointed out should speak enough I don't think there is anything to add[/QUOTE]
You have such a stupid way of arguing. You're trying to make some stupid strawman without actually typing it and now you're trying to paint me as stupid for not reading your mind. I don't know what the strawman you're "pointing out" is.
What's the point of taking part in a discussion if you don't want to articulate your points?
[QUOTE=Killuah;50574662]What about "in escape or persecution, misery and in search for a better future for themselves and their family " did you not understand?[/QUOTE]
This whole thing is supposed to be for refugees. You put refugees in much worse position if you invite lots of economic migrants with them.
Evaluating how to handle a crime based on the race of its perpetrator is typical racist tripe.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxUU3zncVmI[/media]
For real though, somebody already said it. Cause and effect is clear as fuck.
Trying to bring up large, controversial organizations as an attempt to marginalize the actions of these dickheads is dumb as hell.
[QUOTE=daschnek;50579066]Evaluating how to handle a crime based on the race of its perpetrator is typical racist tripe.[/QUOTE]
And the perpetrator didn't do the act as a racist action?
Sometimes theres no good choice to racist shit.
A couple loud bad apples can doom every single one whose not of a European origin. No matter where your born or how you are as a person you will always be marked because of how you look. It's sad.
Monkah and Svinnik are like the Internet defenders of Jews on a hardcore level. In their mind they probably preach of death to all Arabs, Muslims and Christians. At least I have respect for Scumbunny, he is reasonable human being.
[QUOTE=Araknid;50574738]Dictionary definition of refugee
Dictionary definition of economic migrant
A fairly large amount of the 'refugees' coming into Europe are not refugees which are what are supposed to be coming in, and are economic migrants.
[editline]24th June 2016[/editline]
I wouldn't be surprised if most of the violence and shit were done by economic migrants instead of refugees[/QUOTE]
The statistics on this?
[QUOTE=Bucketboy;50584036]A couple loud bad apples can doom every single one whose not of a European origin. No matter where your born or how you are as a person you will always be marked because of how you look. It's sad.
Monkah and Svinnik are like the Internet defenders of Jews on a hardcore level. In their mind they probably preach of death to all Arabs, Muslims and Christians. At least I have respect for Scumbunny, he is reasonable human being.[/QUOTE]
So pointing the rise in antisemitism when refugees from Syria/Iraq/Libya, whose culture teaches them to hate Israel and by proxy Jews, come to Europe makes me hate all Arabs, Muslims, and Christians? You're in the West Bank now, tell me what they think about Jews. First of all, there are Jewish Arabs like the Sephardim and Mizrahim, do I want them to die as well? Second, I'm not a Kahanist. I don't really care about Arabs/Christians/Muslims if they treat me with the same respect that I treat them.
Also, it's interesting how you think that defending Jews automatically means I hate muslims/christians/arabs.
You are free to adress this problem as it exists but caring for this while leaving out that anti-foreign attacks are happening on a daily level(3 attacks on refugee homes per day in Germany) makes it look a bit... selective.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50573043]Nobody is importing them btw. why do you and some other users on this forum use this phrase?[/QUOTE]
Dehumanisation. Make the immigrant population sound like a common commodity that we can just ship around the world and it's easier to act like a cunt when a absolute super-minority of them commit crime.
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