Hey! It worked for Brazil, why can't it work here?
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;51560293]Hey! It worked for Brazil, why can't it work here?[/QUOTE]
wot
[QUOTE=Radley;51560172]Funny thing is, no matter how much you try to protect the "purity" of the white race, interbreeding is still going to happen.
According to some article I read on national geographic, the human race will (sometime in the future) have interbred to a point that racial extremes become so faded and mixed that they don't matter any more, such as African dark, Nordic pale, Asian tan etc but instead retain racial features from all categories.[/QUOTE]
If we survive long enough
[QUOTE=Judas;51560260]not every trump supporter is a racist, but most racists who voted voted for trump[/QUOTE]
This is a blatant false equivalence, and the fact that you even mentioned it, let alone think that it has any validity, clearly demonstrates a profound inability to think critically.
If A then B does not imply if B then A. This is taught in literally any introductory to logic course. Most introductory to philosophy courses will also cover it, and any stats course will utilize it heavily. I mean seriously, what the fuck. You shit up every goddam thread with your blatant disregard for reality.
[QUOTE=Judas;51560043]so, a large amount of trump voters?[/QUOTE]
I am guessing you are one of these people? Like the ones holding up Mexican flag and burning the US flag
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywDvXmeVfoE[/media]
Is this really the line of argument this thread is going to devolve into
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51560296]wot[/QUOTE]
He's probably comparing it to what was, in large part, a racist motivated effort to "whiten" Brazil after slavery ended and there was a demand for workers, by bringing in European immigrants. Like somehow Obama is a 19th century aristocrat, shipping Mexicans up the border to fulfill his secret racist desires
edit: actually I might be giving him way too much credit and this might not be what he's talking about at all, but I have no idea what else it'd be
[QUOTE=Tudd;51560052]Well having talked to alot of them in person, unlike most of you it seems; No.
They typically have other reasons than race they perceive like increased job security, stopping crimes, and curbing the amount of illegals in the country.
None of those are inherently racist reasons.[/QUOTE]
Most of the legit concerns are fueled&built off of racist fear mongering. It's like Jill Stein saying people have legit concerns about vaccines.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;51560389]Most of the legit concerns are fueled&built off of racist fear mongering. It's like Jill Stein saying people have legit concerns about vaccines.[/QUOTE]
You see this is a huge problem if you think the grievances of illegal immigration are equitable to anti-vaxxers.
Are their people who use bullshit stats/experience to hate illegal immigration? Yeah, but none of you are experts on their actual motivations for it or putting forth anything quantifiable.
If every variable were the same except Mexicans were pre-dominantly white, people would still make the same arguments and it would still be a problem.
Let's look at exit polls;
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html[/url]
There was an actual [b]increase[/b] in the hispanic class to vote for Republican compared to the previous election, because maybe legal immigrants don't want people to take the same advantages they fought to acquire legally? It doesn't seem that Trump's "obvious" racist rhetoric is resonating to these people who would feel the most affected by comments they deem racist towards them. So why is this increase happening besides legitimate concerns?
[QUOTE=Rubs10;51560389]Most of the legit concerns are fueled&built off of racist fear mongering. It's like Jill Stein saying people have legit concerns about vaccines.[/QUOTE]
Except the legit concerns she talks about are deregulation and corporatism of a health issue, not about autism or some dumb thing like that
[QUOTE=Araknid;51560038]Well, what he said is gonna piss a lot of people off.[/QUOTE]
Luckily those people are simply idiots because it's fact? Assuming Obama had some data for this
"god damn Obama, telling us the truth"
[QUOTE=Cuel;51560610]Luckily those people are simply idiots because it's fact? Assuming Obama had some data for this
"god damn Obama, telling us the truth"[/QUOTE]
Yeah poor people have less children. More poor browns than whites.
Again I have the stats to back this up so no one can be angry I said it.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51560524]
[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html[/URL]
There was an actual [B]increase[/B] in the hispanic class to vote for Republican compared to the previous election[/QUOTE]
He beat Romney by 2 percent in exit polls, but lost out to Bush in both, and McCain. Which is probably because Obama wiped the board in minority votes. And Trump got nowhere near Bush's 44%. This is still part of the all time low slump for Republicans with Hispanic voters.
[QUOTE=plunger435;51560653]He beat Romney by 2 percent in exit polls, but lost out to Bush in both, and McCain. Which is probably because Obama wiped the board in minority votes. And Trump got nowhere near Bush's 44%. This is still part of the all time low slump for Republicans with Hispanic voters.[/QUOTE]
That is fantastic that Obama got the minority vote bigger in both 2008 and 2012, and that Republicans have been in a slump overall.
You might also want to just explain the lower voting turnout for both parties this election, but how about you explain the increase of 8% of the Hispanic voters for Trump specifically? Which was my main point.
Surely him increasing the Hispanic vote to ~30% is quite interesting to focus on since the consensus is he is quite racist on here or atleast alot of his supporters.
*Sorry for the mid-edit btw.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51560693]Well you might also want to just explain the lower voting turnout for both parties this election, but how about you explain the increase of 8% of the Hispanic voters for Trump?
Surely him increasing the Hispanic vote to ~30% is quite interesting to focus on since the consensus is he is quite racist on here or atleast alot of his supporters.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean an 8% increase? Romney got 27%, Trump got 29% that's only a 2% increase. Not to mention Bush and McCain already had an actual +30% pull in.
[QUOTE=plunger435;51560704]What do you mean an 8% increase? Romney got 27%, Trump got 29% that's only a 2% increase. Not to mention Bush and McCain already had an actual +30% pull in.[/QUOTE]
The point is that Trump [b]increased[/b] the hispanic vote this election by 8% compared to the last election. I am not trying to say he did overall better in the past compared to previous republicans, but why do you think he actually increased it from what was trending previously despite being labeled a racist to hispanics by the left?
[QUOTE=Tudd;51560713]The point is that Trump [B]increased[/B] the hispanic vote this election. I am not trying to say he did overall better in the past compared to previous republicans, but why do you think he actually increased it from what was trending previously despite being labeled a racist to hispanics by the left?[/QUOTE]
We're just glazing over you making up statistics then?
Saying Trump beat Romney who had the record breaking lowest numbers in Asians, Hispanics, and Afrucan Americans isn't an indication that he's beloved by the Hispanic communities. Especially if he's the second lowest Republican in terms of Hispanic votes. Considering Obama had the minority vote secured for two full terms, Trump should have been doing way better than sub-30% considering Hispanics were a key demographic for Republicans before Obama.
You need to recognize that you're not cheering for a Trump victory on this, you're cheering that he's one away from being the absolute biggest loser on this issue. And 2% is not the big 8% increase you thought he had.
[QUOTE=plunger435;51560742]We're just glazing over [b]you making up[/b] statistics then?
Saying Trump beat Romney who had the record breaking lowest numbers in Asians, Hispanics, and Afrucan Americans isn't an indication that he's beloved by the Hispanic communities. Especially if he's the second lowest Republican in terms of Hispanic votes. Considering Obama had the minority vote secured for two full terms, Trump should have been doing way better than sub-30% considering Hispanics were a key demographic for Republicans before Obama.
You need to recognize that you're not cheering for a Trump victory on this, you're cheering that he's one away from being the absolute biggest loser on this issue.[/QUOTE]
[t]https://s27.postimg.org/akb95fiz7/Screenshot_2016_12_21_00_42_57.png[/t]
Look at this chart from NYT's exit poll and specifically the hispanic vote. The red arrow to the right indicates that Trump increased the hispanic vote by 8% compared to the previous 2012 election. Not only that, but also the black vote and Asian vote.
This is not me making up shit. You are just repeatedly avoiding my question.
Again it is not if he was the best received at all, but why is it that Trump actually reversed the trend and increased the votes of minorities across the board, and hispanics in the context of this thread specifically, despite being labeled a racist from the left repeatedly?
Surely one of the logical conclusions is if his supporters and his positions were considered actually racist, the minority votes would go down right?
[QUOTE=Tudd;51560764][t]https://s27.postimg.org/akb95fiz7/Screenshot_2016_12_21_00_42_57.png[/t]
Look at this chart from NYT's exit poll and specifically the hispanic vote. The red arrow to the right indicates that Trump increased the hispanic vote by 8% compared to the previous 2012 election. Not only that, but also the black vote and Asian vote.
This is not me making up shit. You are just repeatedly avoiding my question.
Again it is not if he was the best received at all, but why is it that Trump actually reversed the trend and increased the votes of minorities across the board, and hispanics in the context of this thread specifically, despite being labeled a racist from the left repeatedly?
Surely one of the logical conclusions is if his supporters and his positions were considered actually racist, the minority votes would go down right?[/QUOTE]
Those arrows definitely don't represent the actual changes. Look at the same websites actual 2012 exit polls. Which back up exactly what I said.
[URL]http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president/exit-polls[/URL]
[t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/58708609/NYTExitPolls.png[/t]
And I already answered your question if you read past my first sentence. Trump isn't reversing the trend, he still is doing worse than even half the Republicans running against Obama, and is still the second lowest Republican candidate in Hispanic votes. This is not an indication that Trump is popular with Hispanics, I can't stress this point enough.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51560764][t]https://s27.postimg.org/akb95fiz7/Screenshot_2016_12_21_00_42_57.png[/t]
Look at this chart from NYT's exit poll and specifically the hispanic vote. The red arrow to the right indicates that Trump increased the hispanic vote by 8% compared to the previous 2012 election. Not only that, but also the black vote and Asian vote.
This is not me making up shit. You are just repeatedly avoiding my question.
Again it is not if he was the best received at all, but why is it that Trump actually reversed the trend and increased the votes of minorities across the board, and hispanics in the context of this thread specifically, despite being labeled a racist from the left repeatedly?
Surely one of the logical conclusions is if his supporters and his positions were considered actually racist, the minority votes would go down right?[/QUOTE]
You're suggesting that because he got more support from minorities than the last election, despite clearly not having the support of most minorities, he's not racist?
If we want to go off personal experiences, I've heard plenty of racist proTrump rhetoric from plenty of people. Just because someone's a racist doesn't mean they're running around assaulting black people and screaming make America white again, even though it's a real motivation for them.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51560071]It weirds me out when people freak out that white people won't be the majority anymore in like 2040 or whatever. I can't think of many not-racist reasons to freak out that America won't be dominated by white people.[/QUOTE]
I can't see any non racist reasons for Native Americans to care about becoming a minority in the Americas
I can't see any non racist reasons for Japanese to care about becoming a minority in Japan
[QUOTE=Araknid;51560038]Well, what he said is gonna piss a lot of people off.[/QUOTE]
The truth often does that, particularly to those whom insulate themselves against it.
Wooah, as if white people are going to be extinct
[QUOTE=Mr.Brown;51560903]Wooah, as if white people are going to be extinct[/QUOTE]
Is this a joke? They are, every 'race' is going extinct.
[QUOTE=MadPro119;51561030]Is this a joke? They are, every 'race' is going extinct.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't say extinct, rather evolving genetically? I am not too bright on that terminology so could sound stupid.
I do however remember reading an article that scientists speculated humans would all be a sort of bronze/brazilian tanned look due to people mixing with other races over centuries. Race/colour will be a thing of the past hopefully but then again people will always find a reason to fight or disagree
[QUOTE=joshthesmith;51561051]Wouldn't say extinct, rather evolving genetically? I am not too bright on that terminology so could sound stupid.
I do however remember reading an article that scientists speculated humans would all be a sort of bronze/brazilian tanned look due to people mixing with other races over centuries. Race/colour will be a thing of the past hopefully but then again people will always find a reason to fight or disagree[/QUOTE]
Well skin color isnt some random genetic variation, it has a lot to do with how much sunlight does the skin receive. And that information is also passed down on genes as environmental adaptation to climates with little sunlight, compared to those near equator where sunlight hours variate very little.
People living in north will always have lighter skin tone to those living closer to equator, regardless of people mixing.
[QUOTE=ripsipiirakk;51561115]Well skin color isnt some random genetic variation, it has a lot to do with how much sunlight does the skin receive. And that information is also passed down on genes as environmental adaptation to climates with little sunlight, compared to those near equator where sunlight hours variate very little.
People living in north will always have lighter skin tone to those living closer to equator, regardless of people mixing.[/QUOTE]
Genes are going to be mixed though and there wont be thousands of years of programming to lead to light skin.
I'll never understand people who are afraid of loosing a certain skin colour, be it white, black, brown or asian, the colour of our skin doesn't define who we are as a species, it's merely a genetic predisposition dependent on where you are living in the world because of the sun, it doesn't really add anything to our culture or background, except for the obvious racist elements of "You are different to us, so you are bad", it has no purpose otherwise.
We are all just humans in the end, I feel like one day, if the human race survives that long, we'll look back at our petty race squabbles and laugh our asses off, that we let something as small as colour get in the way of coming together as a species.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;51560862]I can't see any non racist reasons for Native Americans to care about becoming a minority in the Americas
I can't see any non racist reasons for Japanese to care about becoming a minority in Japan[/QUOTE]
and you're right
This is to the Right what climate change is to the Left, just wish they'd be more open about it.
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