• Texas Dad Protests for Son Suspended After Standing Up to Bully
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[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;38075518]Yeah, the definition has really been slipping at some schools. An elementary school my me teaches the younger kids that being shy and not wanting to share something of yours are both forms of bullying.[/QUOTE] That's fucking stupid, it's like how muddled the definition of trolling became when the term became widely used. Now anything you disagree with is trolling too I got called a "troller" a couple days ago for saying Mitt Romney had no place running the US [editline]17th October 2012[/editline] in real life
Atleast this shit doesn't happen at my school, since it's a chavvy shithole. If you and a guy literally break out in a brawl in the classroom, you both will get an afterschool detention and that's it.
It's like schools in the US WANT bullies to kick the shit out of innocent children.
Haha, at the high school I kind of went at (it was like a co-op program for half of my day) their zero-tolerance policy was that anyone who was involved in a fight would be expelled. Victim, and bully. I don't know if any fights happened, but I'm pretty sure nobody even bothered to start shit because of that rule.
[QUOTE=1239the;38072444]Zero-tolerance is the kind of policy which makes psychotic mass murderers out of quiet schoolkids.[/QUOTE] I made great use of this back in my school days. Psychological warfare is my specialty.
[QUOTE=thisispain;38064561]there's a pretty important reason behind a "zero tolerance" policy. a school can't reasonably allow any fight to go without punishment because if something happens to a kid it basically will fall to their shoulders. favouring a student by saying "okay you were justified" means that the school makes themselves culpable and open to any lawsuit or even criminal charge levied to them. i know FP has a big boner for narrow-minded concepts of "justice", but a school isn't a place to enact justice. it's unreasonable to expect teachers and staff to play judge and jury for kids because if someone gets seriously hurt they'll be the ones to blame.[/QUOTE] It's because of people like you why this shit always happens. When a parents kid goes to school their entrusting their child's safety and wellbeing to the teachers and school faculty while they're at work. With bullshit like this "no tolerance" bullies have free leave to fuck around with people who have low self-confidence and end up leading to gun-shootings or suicides. Go without punishment? That's already happening when most of the time it's the bully who gets off scot free, mostly because no teacher sees what happens or because the kid who defends himself ends up doing "more grievous damage". I pray to what ever sort of deity there is you never get a job when it comes to education and schools.
Over here (NSW, Australia), if the fight happens outside of the school or for that matter any form of bullying they still receive punishment within the school the next time they come back.
My highshcool life was awful becuase of shit like this. Ive already posted some of my worst experiences in other bullying threads, but this one is relevant. This one time I got jumped by this asshole who didnt like the clothes i was wearing in sixth form. of course, this guy being a year below me, he decides to bring seven of his mates to "even the odds a bit" (this was how every single "fight" ever went down in my highschool). long story short, at one point while i was pinned down on the ground with 6 guys kicking me and spitting on me , and one guy kinda, awkwardly leaning over me to film it on his phone- i kicked out at this one kid who was trying to hold my right leg down, and hit him square in the chest. after i eventually got away, i went to the head of sixth form, who proved to be just as unhelpful and sarcastic as always, ensuring nothing got done. my parents complained about the issue after i came home that day with blood and bruises all over my face, but it was still not followed up. The next day however, the sixth form leader pulled me into her office and told me the parents of the guy i kicked in the chest while being attacked had complained to the shcool, and if i contiuned to wear the boots i was wearing the day it happened, i would be kicked out of the school perminantly.
My highschool only has 350 kids so when there's few fights. Last one was a new kid who started beating on another for something dumb. Dumbass has been gone ever since and ghr kid who was punched first didn't get anything. Last "fight" before that was some semi special needs kids fighting like some poorly made movie with a $100 budget.
[quote=Aristotle]The tyrant, who in order to hold his power, suppresses every superiority, does away with good men, [b]forbids education and light[/b], controls every movement of the citizens and, keeping them under a perpetual servitude, [b]wants them to grow accustomed to baseness and cowardice[/b], has his spies everywhere to listen to what is said in the meetings, and spreads dissension and calumny among the citizens and impoverishes them, is obliged to make war in order to keep his subjects occupied and impose on them permanent need of a chief.[/quote] Punish the victim for doing what is right, and not being a coward
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;38060201]My school was like that too. I got bullied more than I've ever been bullied in my life in grade 11. I got legitimate death threats, blackmail, beaten up, the works. I told a friend of mine about it and he went to school the next day and beat the shit out of the kid. Me and my friend still got suspended for 5 days for "bringing violence in the school" while the bully got off scott-free simply because "all his attacks happened outside of school". The public education system is complete and utter bullshit, especially when it comes to bullying.[/QUOTE] Gotta love it when schools crave power over students when they're not in school, but when it's bullying they don't want any part of dealing with it.
When I was in 10th grade this kid who lived up my block singled me out for attention. Various acts of his included nonstop verbal and light physical abuse, pantsing me multiple times (why I ALWAYS where a belt now), and shooting me with a 350 fps airsoft gun whenever I walked by his house, which I had to to go between my mom's and dad's house. I told my principal, he got a light warning, which he smiled off. He's one of those kids who can sweettalk the teachers into thinking he's a model student. One day he pantsed me while I was talking to a girl I was crushing on, on the school bus ride home. I decided I'd had enough. This kid, I've seen him in fights before. When he gets punched he starts laughing. You either have to ignore him, which I had been doing, or hit him so hard he can't laugh. I waited until we were off the bus and it was pulling away, then tackled him to the ground and started slamming his head into the pavement. He stopped laughing and started looking very scared. I only put a very large lump on the side of his head, but if my brother hadn't pulled me off him I would have kept going until I felt his skull crack. I'm like the hulk: when I actually get angry I get really angry. I didn't get in trouble because it was out of school grounds, and he stopped bothering me. Morale of the story: Wait until the bully is where the teachers can't, or won't reach him, then pound him to a pulp Just my story, since everyone is sharing theirs.
no tolerance policies are just complete horseshit they don't teach kids anything useful, and if anything make the situation much worse
In my elementary school, I was the butt of 90% of the jokes told at anywhere in the entire elementary school. I was a fat kid back then, I wasn't because I played hockey for years, then bullying started to happen there so I wanted to quit, and I did. I got fat from this and bullying at school only got worse. I was about 9, and teased by everyone, some teachers saw it in class and didn't do a thing about it. Grade 3 rolls around and nothing has changed. Lunch and Recess are painful as shit on a daily basis because the 4 things you can do, play ball hockey, play 4 square, or play soccer on the field, or just walk around alone. Trying to do any of those activities was hard because both of my size and lack of popularity with anyone. What few friends I had at the time never stood up for me, and if push came to shove which it often did, they'd be on the opposing side. Nothing got better for years, the more jockish guys in our class started picking physical fights with me, I was an angry kid so I always lashed out at them and attacked them back from this. I ended up in the office with the principal more times than I can count. Every single god damn meeting was the same thing. I'd tell them what they'd say to me, that they'd start to fight and stop letting me just leave the situation like I know I was supposed to. I spent a lot of time in detention after school while no bullies or anyone else ever had to for their behaviour towards me. One time in detention after school, one of the bullies who'd literally punched me in the stomach 10 times and threw me to the ground was there for not handing in his homework all week(not a mention of his behaviour, even though I told teachers about it) started using a straw to shoot spitballs at me. The teacher just told him to stop, not even like she was mad at him for it, just like he was being a pest. He was hitting me in the fucking face with spitballs, it was fucking disgusting. I couldn't do anything, teachers already thought I was violent even if I was only defending myself. The next year, I think it was grade 7 by then, I was pretty much at my breaking point, I had literally thought of committing suicide for weeks at this point. There was a gym class that we were all actually excited for, ice hockey day, I had my gym bag in hand waiting in the line, when one of the assholes from the class grabs my bag and throws it on the roof of the school. You can't go without gym strip so the teachers said I couldn't go, they didn't see him throw the bag up there and even when I was telling him what happened he just looked like he didn't give a shit, let alone believed me. I walked into the school away from the class and punched a locker and broke my hand, and got myself intentionally expelled from the school.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;38059937]They would use racial slurs – saying 'we don't like you because you're white.'"[/QUOTE] I've seen this. Racism is still a problem.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38081355]In my elementary school, I was the butt of 90% of the jokes told at anywhere in the entire elementary school. I was a fat kid back then, I wasn't because I played hockey for years, then bullying started to happen there so I wanted to quit, and I did. I got fat from this and bullying at school only got worse. I was about 9, and teased by everyone, some teachers saw it in class and didn't do a thing about it. Grade 3 rolls around and nothing has changed. Lunch and Recess are painful as shit on a daily basis because the 4 things you can do, play ball hockey, play 4 square, or play soccer on the field, or just walk around alone. Trying to do any of those activities was hard because both of my size and lack of popularity with anyone. What few friends I had at the time never stood up for me, and if push came to shove which it often did, they'd be on the opposing side. Nothing got better for years, the more jockish guys in our class started picking physical fights with me, I was an angry kid so I always lashed out at them and attacked them back from this. I ended up in the office with the principal more times than I can count. Every single god damn meeting was the same thing. I'd tell them what they'd say to me, that they'd start to fight and stop letting me just leave the situation like I know I was supposed to. I spent a lot of time in detention after school while no bullies or anyone else ever had to for their behaviour towards me. One time in detention after school, one of the bullies who'd literally punched me in the stomach 10 times and threw me to the ground was there for not handing in his homework all week(not a mention of his behaviour, even though I told teachers about it) started using a straw to shoot spitballs at me. The teacher just told him to stop, not even like she was mad at him for it, just like he was being a pest. He was hitting me in the fucking face with spitballs, it was fucking disgusting. I couldn't do anything, teachers already thought I was violent even if I was only defending myself. The next year, I think it was grade 7 by then, I was pretty much at my breaking point, I had literally thought of committing suicide for weeks at this point. There was a gym class that we were all actually excited for, ice hockey day, I had my gym bag in hand waiting in the line, when one of the assholes from the class grabs my bag and throws it on the roof of the school. You can't go without gym strip so the teachers said I couldn't go, they didn't see him throw the bag up there and even when I was telling him what happened he just looked like he didn't give a shit, let alone believed me. I walked into the school away from the class and punched a locker and broke my hand, and got myself intentionally expelled from the school.[/QUOTE] Man, you've had a lot of shit happen to you.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;38081495]Man, you've had a lot of shit happen to you.[/QUOTE] One thing leads to another.
We need more teachers like Arnie. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rBNcRymNgQ[/media]
[QUOTE=1239the;38072444]Zero-tolerance is the kind of policy which makes psychotic mass murderers out of quiet schoolkids.[/QUOTE] when I was in school they thought I was going to go columbine on the school because of stuff I had written which was "disturbing" to them and other things. they took me into the office one day and questioned me for like 4 hours and went through my phone and everything, they saw pics of my guns etc and they watched me every day after that. they thought i was seriously mentally fucked up and weird. oh well, i don't go to school any more and i don't really care what they think so w/e
This has always been a problem, but I'm glad to see a father call-out the school's poor policy against bullying.
Now a days, the police can legitmetly give you a ticket/arrest you for assault because school became "Public Property" and it is a hell of a fine. Community service hours are also thrown in. Thats public education for you.
[QUOTE=Gnomical;38069989]During 4th and 5th grade, there was this bully who always targeted me. I don't know why he targeted me, but for the most part I would try and ignore him. He would say things like "Your stupid" or "nerd" and I would simply say nothing. Sometimes I would say "OK" "Uh-huh" or "Sure". A few times, if I was having a really bad day, I would sometimes say something back along the lines of "Shut up" "Go away" etc. When 5th grade came around, it got much worse. Instead of verbal threats, they became physical. The kid would talk about how he could beat me up in a heartbeat, and how he was going to come the end of school. This kid wasn't tiny, mind you. He was pretty strong (I think he was some sports player, maybe football or baseball). At first I thought he was joking, but soon he started to walk by me and punch me (not like a friendly punch, I mean a real punch where it left bruises). I went to the nurse a few times, told her what happened, we would both be sent to the principal's office, and he would claim innocence. Nothing happens. He doesn't get in trouble. But one day, after lunch when we were given the opportunity to use the restrooms, something worse happened. I went into the restroom, and did my business. As I was walking out however, I heard my name called. I didn't know who it was, so I turned around to see who it was and what they wanted. Right as I turn around, I see him and his posse. Before I can even exit the bathroom or turn around again, he punches me in the face, kicks me in the groin, and pushes me to the ground. You might think I am making this up or bullshitting, but I swear I am not. I obviously started crying, I will admit it too because it hurt like a bitch. He walked out all calm like and our teacher came to see what happened. I was escorted to the nurse by my friends (who were not in the bathroom or near it). The principal came in and asked for my side of the story. I give the truth. Then he calls in the bully. He says something along the lines of how I was harassing him, making him fear for his life, and he attempted to subdue me and I inflicted most of my own injuries resisting him from protecting himself from me beating him up. (Did that make any sense to you? Sure didn't make sense to me...) So then the principal asks for witnesses. His friends are called down, and back up his story. I am asked where my friends where, and I say "Well two of them can't go in the boys restroom, and the third isn't here today, so no I don't have any witnesses." The principal assumes I was the problem, and I was given a week of out-of-school suspension. So I got a week and injuries and he got nothing. :( Sorry for the wall of text...[/QUOTE] fuck...
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;38060148]So he got in trouble for defending himself? His school probably has one of those "no tolerance" rules[/QUOTE] that severely conflicts with my "no bullshit" rules. seriously, it's off the god damn charts bullshit. I bet Penn and Teller are asking for their show to be reaired just for this.
in elementary school, I was always fighting for my self and my friends. I always got and trouble and the bully/jerk gets off scott free. Whenever I told a teacher, absolutely nothing happened. I still have no faith in "authority" positions in the education system.
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