• Polls open in Canada as election night looms.
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[QUOTE=nikomo;29585753][url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13091920[/url] There's a few more articles on it but they all have the same tone.[/QUOTE] Frankly disappointed with the BBC on that topic. Someone's got a chip on his/her shoulder.
If Jack Layton headed a merged NDP-Liberal party, they could do some good shit.
[QUOTE=Pandamobile;29585826]If Jack Layton headed a merged NDP-Liberal party, they could do some good shit.[/QUOTE] This. I think they should go for it.
well, the greens won in my riding, and the NDPs in the next one over, so that means i have some parties to attend. :woop: Fucking mashed Conservative Garry Lunn [img]http://gyazo.com/caa2929cb42c5e3a43d21da9b763f2a8.png[/img] Garry conceded defeat too, glad that idiot's gone.
Well, it's official. CBC's election site is reporting 156 seats guaranteed and confirmed elected for Harper, signalling a confirmed Conservative Majority, leading Canada into the 21st century for the next 4 years.
[QUOTE=archangel125;29584941]I can imagine it must be even more disappointing for you.[/QUOTE] Well the NDP still did fucking awesome so it's still a huge win for social democracy in my books.
[QUOTE=Novistador;29585303]Thats absurd the NDP are an explicitly socialist party, If your a socialist come out and say it, instead of trying to be all things to all people and saying your a moderate or centrist. Alternatively your the kind of centrist who honestly believes there is no way to determine the truth about anything, and human beings are helpless to perceive reality correctly so our best bet is to just take some kind of shotgun attempt to arrive at truth and hope for the best. The first people are dishonest, The second group is confessing their support of a incorrect epistemology.[/QUOTE] The NDP are definitely NOT socialist. They have strong roots in socialist parties, but over time they've moved more center. Jack Layton used to proudly call himself a socialist, now he calls himself a social democrat. Lots of the older NDP voters hated Jack Layton because he was removing the socialism from the NDP. My guess is that he wanted to appeal to a wider audience, which seemed to work.
[QUOTE=The golden;29586110]But the Cons. got a majority. The NDP may have gotten up the polls, but there is [I]jack[/I]-shit they can do.[/QUOTE] hey stop trying to ruin my optimism
[QUOTE=Stupideye;29586122]hey stop trying to ruin my optimism[/QUOTE] That was ruined during the election.
[QUOTE=The golden;29586110]But the Cons. got a majority. The NDP may have gotten up the polls, but there is [I]jack[/I]-shit they can do.[/QUOTE] Know what I just realized? Our system fucking sucks.
[QUOTE=archangel125;29586200]Know what I just realized? Our system fucking sucks.[/QUOTE] Still way better then the American system. If I was an American I probably wouldn't even vote since both the parties are corrupt as hell.
[QUOTE=Stupideye;29586102]The NDP are definitely NOT socialist. They have strong roots in socialist parties, but over time they've moved more center. Jack Layton used to proudly call himself a socialist, now he calls himself a social democrat. Lots of the older NDP voters hated Jack Layton because he was removing the socialism from the NDP. My guess is that he wanted to appeal to a wider audience, which seemed to work.[/QUOTE] Exactly, he's still as socialist, he's just taking the victories he can, And I'd love to know what the substantive difference between a Socialist, and Social Democrat is, The method of arriving at socialism? (violent revolution vs democratic process?)
[QUOTE=Novistador;29586290]Exactly, he's still as socialist, he's just taking the victories he can, And I'd love to know what the substantive difference between a Socialist, and Social Democrat is, The method of arriving at socialism? (violent revolution vs democratic process?)[/QUOTE] Socialists are a bit more radical, they believe in stronger (perhaps violent) and faster change within a system and are generally against capitalism. Social democrats try to work within the capitalist system while still having traditional socialist goals. They usually aren't for complete change, but believe in more regulation within the capitalist system.
If the Liberals and NDP work together they can overturn Conservative bills I think.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;29589048]If the Liberals and NDP work together they can overturn Conservative bills I think.[/QUOTE] No chance. That's now how the system works. No matter how much the parties oppose conservative bills, if all the conservative MPs vote in favor of that bill, it passes.
Hopefully some conservatives will appose some of the stuff harper wants. That's our only hope now.
[QUOTE=ShaRose;29589547]Hopefully some conservatives will appose some of the stuff harper wants. That's our only hope now.[/QUOTE] That IS our only hope, but it's very, very unlikely.
[QUOTE=The golden;29590985]Since the opposition came so close to winning, Harper's government can't do anything too stupid or they'll be stomped next election. ...I hope[/QUOTE] He could do irreversible damage to Canada's public healthcare during that time.
Canadians are too goddamn complacent. Wow, Aman V rated me dumb. How could I possibly refute such flawless logic?
Anyone going to the protest today in Vancouver?
[QUOTE=The golden;29590985]Since the opposition came so close to winning, Harper's government can't do anything too stupid or they'll be stomped next election. ...I hope[/QUOTE] Look at what happened this election. The Conservatives did some dirty stuff which started the whole election, and they got even more votes. The public is ignorant.
[QUOTE=Risonhighmer;29657185]Anyone going to the protest today in Vancouver?[/QUOTE] Protest of what? Harper winning the election? [editline]6th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Stupideye;29657300]Look at what happened this election. The Conservatives did some dirty stuff which started the whole election, and they got even more votes. The public is ignorant.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I still don't get that. How do you get voted out and end up with even more power than you had before?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29657324]Protest of what? Harper winning the election? [editline]6th May 2011[/editline] Yeah, I still don't get that. How do you get voted out and end up with even more power than you had before?[/QUOTE] It's a protest on the current voting system and how it doesn't give fair representation to people whose votes are effectively negated. At least that's what I think it's about.
[QUOTE=Risonhighmer;29657397]It's a protest on the current voting system and how it doesn't give fair representation to people whose votes are effectively negated. At least that's what I think it's about.[/QUOTE] Well that's sound like a good idea. Proportional Representation is the way to go in my opinion. Conservatives got 40% of the vote, but 54% of the seats. That just isn't right. [editline]6th May 2011[/editline] Had Proportional Representation been the voting method for the 2011 Election, the seats would've most likely been like this: Conservative: ~123 Seats NDP: ~95 Seats Liberal: ~59 Seats Bloc: ~5 Seats Green: ~12 Seats
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29657460]Well that's sound like a good idea. Proportional Representation is the way to go in my opinion. Conservatives got 40% of the vote, but 54% of the seats. That just isn't right.[/QUOTE] I agree on that, the current voting system is rather flawed and this is a problem when it comes to representing the popular opinion at government.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;29657561]I agree on that, the current voting system is rather flawed and this is a problem when it comes to representing the popular opinion at government.[/QUOTE] This is true. Green was grossly misrepresented in parliament, with only 1 seat, while even the Bloc, who runs less candidates overall, received more. In before "but Green Party sucks anyway". [editline]6th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;29657460]Well that's sound like a good idea. Proportional Representation is the way to go in my opinion. Conservatives got 40% of the vote, but 54% of the seats. That just isn't right. [editline]6th May 2011[/editline] Had Proportional Representation been the voting method for the 2011 Election, the seats would've most likely been like this: Conservative: ~123 Seats NDP: ~95 Seats Liberal: ~59 Seats Bloc: ~5 Seats Green: ~12 Seats[/QUOTE] Just for some perspective here's what the result would've been for the UK had PR been in place: Conservative: ~227 Seats Labour: ~183 Seats Liberal Democrat: ~145 Seats UKIP: ~18 Seats BNP: ~6 Seats Green: ~3 Seats SNP: 1 Seat Doesn't add up to 650, mind you, but it should give you an idea of what could have been.
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