Maricopa Co. Sheriff's Office: "9 points of forgery" in Obama's birth certificate - Polidicks

just fuck right off already. these fucks who say obama wasnt qualified or a citizen all just voted mr. twittermouth titsgrabber for president.

[QUOTE=Sitkero;51538851]Excuse me if I'm grossly misinterpreting this particular line but are you seriously asking for a source proving that people used office typewriters in the sixties? [editline]16th December 2016[/editline] I mean seriously, typewriters have been in widespread use for filling out documents like this from the late nineteenth century up to [I]today[/I] The fuck else were they gonna use for such neat, consistent block lettering?[/QUOTE] It was used for filling out the location and the names, sure. But it's suddenly the one key thing that discredits the work of several professional fraud experts that spent 5 years working on this? I wanna know what it has to do with the date stamps being pretty much the same alignment as the Johanna certificate and the hand drawn check marks in the boxes being identical, plus the other issues found with it. There's a statistical impossibility of even a few of the points they mentioned being accidental. There's also the lack of any access to the physical document. All anyone has to go with is the shitty PDF on the whitehouse website. If someone can prove this investigation to be wrong with actual hard EVIDENCE instead of assuming that the entire thing was a sham based on the sole fact that that typewriters were used to fill in the location and names, I will stop talking about this. Also if you think I'm some limp dick Trump supporter, I voted for Johnson. During the primary, I went for Bernie, but he got fucked by Hillary so I decided to give my vote to someone who isn't a complete piece of shit.

[QUOTE=zombini;51538953]It was used for filling out the location and the names, sure. But it's suddenly the one key thing that discredits the work of several professional fraud experts that spent 5 years working on this. I wanna know what it has to do with the date stamps being pretty much the same alignment as the Johanna certificate and the hand drawn check marks in the boxes being identical, plus the other issues found with it. There's a statistical impossibility of even a few of the points they mentioned being accidental. There's also the lack of any access to the physical document. All anyone has to go with is the shitty PDF on the whitehouse website. If someone can prove this investigation to be wrong with actual hard EVIDENCE instead of assuming that the entire thing was a sham based on the sole fact that that typewriters were used to fill in the location and names, I will stop talking about this.[/QUOTE] Who are these so called 'experts'? If they're the previously discredited individuals mentioned in the Atlantic piece Tudd linked to a couple pages back this whole thing falls apart in my eyes.

[QUOTE=zombini;51538953]I'm some [B]limp dick[/B] Trump supporter, I voted for[B] Johnson[/B]. During the primary, I went for Bernie, but he got fucked by Hillary so I decided to give my vote to [/QUOTE] was that intentional

[QUOTE=1legmidget;51538962]Who are these so called 'experts'? If they're the previously discredited individuals mentioned in the Atlantic piece Tudd linked to a couple pages back this whole thing falls apart in my eyes.[/QUOTE] The guy who spoke after the Sheriff did in the conference is. His colleague who put together the video explaining what was up is another. I'm not gonna pick through an hour of video to get their names, but they work for a law office in Phoenix. I'm basing all of my info off of the actual press conference that nobody in this fucking thread will watch or even acknowledge as relevant. Don't read the offshoot news bullshit out there, go for the actual Fox 10 Phoenix conference on Youtube and you'll get the info that's been released. There was no powerpoint, no book sale whoring, just a conference with a professional talking about what they found with a video made by his colleague to help demonstrate the differences.

[QUOTE=zombini;51538953]It was used for filling out the location and the names, sure. But it's suddenly the one key thing that discredits the work of several professional fraud experts that spent 5 years working on this. I wanna know what it has to do with the date stamps being pretty much the same alignment as the Johanna certificate and the hand drawn check marks in the boxes being identical, plus the other issues found with it. There's a statistical impossibility of even a few of the points they mentioned being accidental. There's also the lack of any access to the physical document. All anyone has to go with is the shitty PDF on the whitehouse website. If someone can prove this investigation to be wrong with actual hard EVIDENCE instead of assuming that the entire thing was a sham based on the sole fact that that typewriters were used to fill in the location and names, I will stop talking about this. Also if you think I'm some limp dick Trump supporter, I voted for Johnson. During the primary, I went for Bernie, but he got fucked by Hillary so I decided to give my vote to someone who isn't a complete piece of shit.[/QUOTE] An investigation is meant to prove things beyond reasonable doubt. You arent supposed to start a counter investigation to disprove a investigations cooky claims. Clerical work is stupidly repetitive and leads workers to develop muscle memory on how to do their jobs as quickly as possible. Either writing things down or typing youre going to have a very strong consistency amongst clerks.

[QUOTE=zombini;51538999]The guy who spoke after the Sheriff did in the conference is. His colleague who put together the video explaining what was up is another. I'm not gonna pick through an hour of video to get their names, but they work for a law office in Phoenix. I'm basing all of my info off of the actual press conference that nobody in this fucking thread will watch or even acknowledge as relevant. Don't read the offshoot news bullshit out there, go for the actual Fox 10 Phoenix conference on Youtube and you'll get the info that's been released. There was no powerpoint, no book sale whoring, just a conference with a professional talking about what they found with a video made by his colleague to help demonstrate the differences.[/QUOTE] I'd much rather read a document than sit through oral arguments for something. If their findings are serious there should be a written form of their work. It's far easier to scrutinize something put down on paper than it is to scrutinize an oral presentation. I tried not to post in this thread at all because none of the articles people have linked to have a good written explanation of the evidence involved. Arpaio is famous for drumming up bullshit for money. The people previously investigating this issue with him were repeatedly discredited. If you get caught fabricating evidence, your future work is inevitably going to come under harsher scrutiny than normal. This is the case with Arpaio. Someone surely can come up with the credentials of these 'professionals'.

even after obama is dead people will still continue to follow this stupid ass birther movement

[QUOTE=zombini;51538953]It was used for filling out the location and the names, sure. But it's suddenly the one key thing that discredits the work of several professional fraud experts that spent 5 years working on this? I wanna know what it has to do with the date stamps being pretty much the same alignment as the Johanna certificate and the hand drawn check marks in the boxes being identical, plus the other issues found with it. There's a statistical impossibility of even a few of the points they mentioned being accidental. There's also the lack of any access to the physical document. All anyone has to go with is the shitty PDF on the whitehouse website. If someone can prove this investigation to be wrong with actual hard EVIDENCE instead of assuming that the entire thing was a sham based on the sole fact that that typewriters were used to fill in the location and names, I will stop talking about this. Also if you think I'm some limp dick Trump supporter, I voted for Johnson. During the primary, I went for Bernie, but he got fucked by Hillary so I decided to give my vote to someone who isn't a complete piece of shit.[/QUOTE] I couldn't possibly care less about who you voted for or who you support unless you paid me an amount roughly in line with the entire GDP of a small country, as it happens I'm afraid I'm not seeing any of these hand drawn check marks, just a lot of typewriter Xs somewhat haphazardly entered into their boxes [img]http://puu.sh/sRGeN/8e472297f3.png[/img] Alignment of the date stamps doesn't really look out of place to me either, especially when you consider that the person stamping them is going to have this entire routine memorized by rote. It's sort of like how a person's signature can look the same over a broad range of signed documents

[QUOTE=zombini;51538999]The guy who spoke after the Sheriff did in the conference is. His colleague who put together the video explaining what was up is another. I'm not gonna pick through an hour of video to get their names, but they work for a law office in Phoenix. I'm basing all of my info off of the actual press conference that nobody in this fucking thread will watch or even acknowledge as relevant. Don't read the offshoot news bullshit out there, go for the actual Fox 10 Phoenix conference on Youtube and you'll get the info that's been released. There was no powerpoint, no book sale whoring, just a conference with a professional talking about what they found with a video made by his colleague to help demonstrate the differences.[/QUOTE] Why don't you instead focus your energy on things that actually matter. The reason no one is watching this video is that no one in their right mind gives a shit about Obama's birth certificate. The only people that care are the ones that have a issue with him being black, thats it. If you say otherwise you're in denial.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51538000] Instead it's, "Tudd posted it, he must be trying to subvert us!" for simply posting news some of yall don't like. [/QUOTE] People don't like it because it offends their political sensibilities, they don't like it because they don't like being lied to. Personally, I feel like the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office has much better things to be doing and I'd be fucking [B]pissed [/B]if I lived in their jurisdiction. [QUOTE=Tudd;51538027] Well you looked like an utter fool criticizing people for questioning illogical circumstances and then boast who needs evidence unless it is contrary.[/QUOTE] Don't be rude.

I don't normally post or anything but I don't think I saw anything here about this stuff. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maricopa_County_Sheriff%27s_Office_controversies[/url]

"Look at how these answers typed out on a standardised form using a typewriter designed to produce identical characters with standardised spacing appear [I]similar[/I]; conclusion Obama is an illegal alien" I don't even have words for how stupid that is.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51536863]Even if it was fake, at this point, does it matter? Has he destroyed the country? Did he sell out to China and Russia? No. He was a fine president overall. Better than what's about to happen. Honestly, this just sounds like more bullshit leftover from when he first ran in 2008. It won't amount to anything.[/QUOTE] The point is it's against the fucking constitution to be president if you aren't a natural born citizen, and he made an oath to uphold the constitution. [editline]16th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Fouytan222;51538724]Of course it's Trump supporters who can't understand how a fucking typewriter works, lmfao.[/QUOTE] Yes you're far more qualified than multiple independent forensic investigators to pass judgement, please go on and enlighten those investigators to how they are wrong. [editline]16th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=1legmidget;51539046]I'd much rather read a document than sit through oral arguments for something. If their findings are serious there should be a written form of their work. It's far easier to scrutinize something put down on paper than it is to scrutinize an oral presentation. I tried not to post in this thread at all because none of the articles people have linked to have a good written explanation of the evidence involved. Arpaio is famous for drumming up bullshit for money. The people previously investigating this issue with him were repeatedly discredited. If you get caught fabricating evidence, your future work is inevitably going to come under harsher scrutiny than normal. This is the case with Arpaio. Someone surely can come up with the credentials of these 'professionals'.[/QUOTE] evidence isn't in my preferred format, therefore it's invalid >:(

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51540637] What then? Undo the last 8 years?[/QUOTE] It's called the Trump presidency thank you very much.

Right right, willfully violating the constitution and committing identity fraud, no big deal. Who cares. He's just the fucking president.

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;51540666]Right right, willfully violating the constitution and committing identity fraud, no big deal. Who cares. He's just the fucking president.[/QUOTE] How did he violate the constitution? All it says is the president must be a natural born citizen, which is legally considered to be someone who is a US citizen from birth. Obama's mother is a US citizen, therefore he was born with US citizenship, birth certificate or no birth certificate.

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;51540666]Right right, willfully violating the constitution and committing identity fraud, no big deal. Who cares. He's just the fucking president.[/QUOTE] Good thing there's no proof of that besides a couple of criminal wackjobs from an Arizona Sheriff's office and their friends who clearly haven't seen a typewriter or taken Photoshop classes.

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;51540613]evidence isn't in my preferred format, therefore it's invalid >:([/QUOTE] i don't think he said it's invalid because it's an oral presentation? no wait, i KNOW he didn't say it's invalid because it's an oral presentation. he said he'd rather read through it, is all. get fucking real.

if you can't even prove you're a real person, how can we ever prove that a birth certificate isn't fake? like lets just keep stretching this logic out guys

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;51540688]How did he violate the constitution? All it says is the president must be a natural born citizen, which is legally considered to be someone who is a US citizen from birth. Obama's mother is a US citizen, therefore he was born with US citizenship, birth certificate or no birth certificate.[/QUOTE] At this point the idea is that rather than being an illegal citizen, he faked the document and should be punished for it. [QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;51540666]Right right, willfully violating the constitution and committing identity fraud, no big deal. Who cares. He's just the fucking president.[/QUOTE] The bar is set so low right now that defending obama for fraud or anything feels appropriate. Savor this feeling. This is what it feels like telling republicans about conflicts of interests and using charity money to pay for lawsuits. What sort of political discourse could solve this? What do you want people to say other than "this guy is a terrible sheriff and he's spent years on a vendetta against Obama." There's no divorcing the idea that this guy has it in for the president from the conclusions he's taken from this evidence.

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;51540613]The point is it's against the fucking constitution to be president if you aren't a natural born citizen, and he made an oath to uphold the constitution.[/quote] He was born from a woman holding american citizenship. He could've been born on fucking Mars, and he would [I]still[/I] be a US citizen from birth. That's how it works in pretty much every fucking country on this rock. [quote]Yes you're far more qualified than multiple independent forensic investigators to pass judgement, please go on and enlighten those investigators to how they are wrong.[/quote] Who [I]are[/I] these investigators? What are their credentials? How do we know that their research and analysis methods are, at the very least, solid ones? [quote]evidence isn't in my preferred format, therefore it's invalid >:([/QUOTE] Correct me if I'm wrong, but oral evidence is usually transcribed to a physical, written copy. This makes it easier for people to analyze said evidence. This point is just petty and childish.

[QUOTE=1/4 Life;51540702]Good thing there's no proof of that besides a couple of criminal wackjobs from an Arizona Sheriff's office and their friends who clearly haven't seen a typewriter or taken Photoshop classes.[/QUOTE] Good god this is the dumbest statement I have ever read When you get your degree in fraud identification let me know. No wait scratch that, when you watch the video and/or grow a brain. [editline]17th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=T553412;51540995]He was born from a woman holding american citizenship. He could've been born on fucking Mars, and he would [I]still[/I] be a US citizen from birth. [/QUOTE] Then why did he have to forge his fucking birth certificate? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Novangel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;51541062]Then why did he have to forge his fucking birth certificate?[/QUOTE] That's a good question, maybe you should ask yourself that before buying into this pants-on-head retarded conspiracy theory.

At this point what will this accomplish other than showing the world how poorly things are run that our own president gained his position illegally. Shit, we're already the laughing stock of the world so why not throw in another joke.

[QUOTE=BelatedGamer;51541088]That's a good question, maybe you should ask yourself that before buying into this pants-on-head retarded conspiracy theory.[/QUOTE] It's not a conspiracy theory at all, because one, not a conspiracy, and two, not a theory. Try again. Maybe you have some sort of evidence that contradicts that posted in the OP? Feel free to lay it out!

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;51541104]not a theory[/QUOTE] so it's been proven?

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;51541104]It's not a conspiracy theory at all, because one, not a conspiracy, and two, not a theory. [/QUOTE] Whoa wow you blew my mind [QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;51541104] Maybe you have some sort of evidence that contradicts that posted in the OP? Feel free to lay it out![/QUOTE] The "evidence" they presented doesn't need to be contradicted because it's laughably filmsy, as has been pointed out. They haven't proven a thing. [QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;51541104] Try again. [/QUOTE] Oh man what a zinger, perhaps I was wrong.

yet we wanted ted cruz, who was born in canada, to become president [editline]16th December 2016[/editline] i've never seen a group of people so stupid in my life truly baffling

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;51541062]Then why did he have to forge his fucking birth certificate?[/QUOTE] Sorry, must've missed the memo. Got me a [I]genuine[/I] source that points out that his birth certificate was forged? It's kind of hard to see the tiny details on the Powerpoint because of the potato they used to record it. Call me crazy, but it almost feels like he never [I]had to[/I] forge his birth certificate, to begin with.