Paid 'Menstrual Leave' For Women: Special Treatment Or A Necessary Benefit? - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Cructo;44868680]women have been oppressed all throughout history, they deserve some compensation for the historic mistakes made by the patriarchy[/QUOTE] i cant tell if your joking or not

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;44868664]I think you're overestimating the impact this would have, but there'd probably be some effect.[/QUOTE] Not really, it's a real problem and argument used by employers around here (the maternal leave). Now if this were to pass, imagine you run a small corp, you've got a woman who has access to 5 days of guaranteed paid leave every month and a man with no such benefit applying for a job, which would you pick ?

If periods were regularly bad enough to put women off work, women would go off work. But wait a second, they aren't! So why should this get introduced? It's literally free days off work.

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wouldn't those 6 month birth control shots just be way more effective than paid leave every three to four weeks... also while this might be useful for some women, there are women who would just abuse the hell out of this to take a vacation every three weeks

[QUOTE=Sableye;44868719]wouldn't those 6 month birth control shots just be way more effective than paid leave every three to four weeks... also while this might be useful for some women, there are women who would just abuse the hell out of this to take a vacation every three weeks[/QUOTE] Not sure if I got this right, but I'm pretty sure women would rather pick work over paid leave + abortion.

[QUOTE=Sableye;44868719]wouldn't those 6 month birth control shots just be way more effective than paid leave every three to four weeks... also while this might be useful for some women, there are women who would just abuse the hell out of this to take a vacation every three weeks[/QUOTE] Not everyone agrees with/wants to be on birth control and that's well within their right.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;44868751]Not everyone agrees with/wants to be on birth control and that's well within their right.[/QUOTE] And for some people it's medically contraindicated.

I know some women who barely get it bad at all, and some who pretty much die for 4 days

It's been fine for the last 100 years, why change it now? It should be classed as a regular sick day. Anything else and you'll drive employers to be reluctant to hire women, for the multiple exemptions they get that men don't.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44868631]Do you get heavily ill for a few days every month? I don't think your employer would keep you around in that case regardless...[/QUOTE] So if I get heavily ill for a few days every month I can go get fucked? Unemployable human waste? There should be no regulation that would help me guarantee a dignifiable employment?

[QUOTE=Hardsurface;44868811] Anything else and you'll drive employers to be reluctant to hire women, for the multiple exemptions they get that men don't.[/QUOTE] Sue the shit out of the employer for misogyny. [editline]21st May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Awesomecaek;44868815]So if I get heavily ill for a few days every month I can go get fucked? [/QUOTE] Actually... yes. If there are people who do not suffer downtime every month they will get priority. Unless you're okay with less pay.

[QUOTE=headshotter;44868748]Not sure if I got this right, but I'm pretty sure women would rather pick work over paid leave + abortion.[/QUOTE] Considering you think contraception is abortion, I think you may not be reading it right. If you're sick, you take one of your given sick days, applies to everyone, if your menstrual cramps are bad enough for you to not be able to work, you take a sick day.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44868904]Sue the shit out of the employer for misogyny. [editline]21st May 2014[/editline] Actually... yes. If there are people who do not suffer downtime every month they will get priority. Unless you're okay with less pay.[/QUOTE] Maybe it's not about hating women. Perhaps it's about getting 5 extra days of work out of men than women, for the same price. That's roughly 25% extra productivity?

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44868904]Sue the shit out of the employer for misogyny. [/QUOTE] if that situation ever does occur, they'll never let off that they're not employing women for that reason, probably wont be able to know that they turned down a woman for it

there's a lot of talk about this being special treatment but i don't see how it's any more fair that women be forced to dig into their limited amount of days off every other month or so. if you're a woman and you can get these pains then you're at a considerable disadvantage compared to a man, which really needs to be rectified before anyone can start going off on tangents about this being special treatment and sexism.

[QUOTE=Hardsurface;44868954]Maybe it's not about hating women. Perhaps it's about getting 5 extra days of work out of men than women, for the same price. That's roughly 25% extra productivity?[/QUOTE] Actually by implementing menstrual leave the employer loses 5 days of productivity. Right now both men and women work for same wages, in the other system women would work less but get paid the same. Employer only loses from this.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;44868931] If you're sick, you take one of your given sick days, applies to everyone, if your menstrual cramps are bad enough for you to not be able to work, you take a sick day.[/QUOTE] Do you think maternal leave should be abolished, requiring women to take sick days, and paternal leave be abolished with no option for time off at all?

[QUOTE=Cone;44868991]there's a lot of talk about this being special treatment but i don't see how it's any more fair that women be forced to dig into their limited amount of days off every other month or so. if you're a woman and you can get these pains then you're at a considerable disadvantage compared to a man, which really needs to be rectified before anyone can start going off on tangents about this being special treatment and sexism.[/QUOTE] And if you're a man OR woman and disabled in some way or prone to illness, you're at a disadvantage to everyone since you are forced to dig into your limited amount of days off every month or so. I propose Paid Man Flu leave too, for equality!

why make this its own thing? if a woman really is incapable of working because of it, then that's something you go to the doctor for, and at that point it's treated as your everyday sickness anyway.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44868997]Actually by implementing menstrual leave the employer loses 5 days of productivity. Right now both men and women work for same wages, in the other system women would work less but get paid the same. Employer only loses from this.[/QUOTE] I don't understand what you mean? That's the point I was making.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44869020]Do you think maternal leave should be abolished, requiring women to take sick days, and paternal leave be abolished with no option for time off at all?[/QUOTE] I think both maternal and paternal leave should be a thing. And so paid off-days should be available for men as well as women.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44869020]Do you think maternal leave should be abolished, requiring women to take sick days, and paternal leave be abolished with no option for time off at all?[/QUOTE] Paternal/Maternal leave is a slightly different thing,for a start, it's hardly an illness, you get it for a few months, not say 5 days a month 12 times a year, plus it's also contributing to society as a whole (or rather the future.)

[QUOTE=Hardsurface;44869049]I don't understand what you mean? That's the point I was making.[/QUOTE] Oh nevermind, I thought you said employer would get 25% more productivity for same price if menstrual leave was a thing. My bad.

Hell my girlfriend just pops a couple of ibuprofen when it gets real bad and toughs it out otherwise. I don't see taking time off of work for something that happens every month, for half the population, which is potentially half your work staff. That shit would add up quickly. And there's the fear that it'll lead to a more pronounced gap in the gender ratios in the workplace, where employers would try to hire only men because they wouldn't have to pay them for taking time off as much as women.

Nah, women shouldn't menstrual paid leave. I can understand maternity leave. After all, the well being of a kid is more important. But just leaving cause your pussy hurts and getting paid for is bullshit. Lots of other people, both men and women, have health problems they wish they could leave work for, but can't.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;44869032]And if you're a man OR woman and disabled in some way or prone to illness, you're at a disadvantage to everyone since you are forced to dig into your limited amount of days off every month or so. I propose Paid Man Flu leave too, for equality![/QUOTE] well i'm working on getting a disability tag myself, and i know that some days you just can't work at all because of stuff completely out of your control. which is why i think it's unfair to effectively take a chunk out of someone's sick days just cos they happened to be born a woman

Maternity/Paternity leave is something bigger than the individual that is taking the time off, it doesn't suddenly alleviate them from having to pay bills or buy essentials. If 40%~ of a workforce vanish once a month because of tummy-cramps it's bullshit, it didn't even fly in P.E at school, why should it fly in real life?

[QUOTE=Cone;44869184]well i'm working on getting a disability tag myself, and i know that some days you just can't work at all because of stuff completely out of your control. which is why i think it's unfair to effectively take a chunk out of someone's sick days just cos they happened to be born a woman[/QUOTE] Are you saying being a woman is like having a disability/illness? Wow dude

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44869280]Are you saying being a woman is like having a disability/illness? Wow dude[/QUOTE] I think you're misreading him. He's comparing, and for some people their menstruation cramps can be strong enough to be about the same as being heavily effected by your disability to the point where you're unable to go into work. [QUOTE=Cone;44869184]well i'm working on getting a disability tag myself, and i know that some days you just can't work at all because of stuff completely out of your control. which is why i think it's unfair to effectively take a chunk out of someone's sick days just cos they happened to be born a woman[/QUOTE] My disability is something I was also born with, but I wouldn't get any extras sick days because of it.