Paid 'Menstrual Leave' For Women: Special Treatment Or A Necessary Benefit? - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44871110]Ouch, I did not realise periods disfigured, sterilized, and possibly killed you![/QUOTE] Every month too! Has nature gone too far? [QUOTE=A_Pigeon;44870468]Can I say no without being called sexist?[/QUOTE] nope it's impossible to do that here on facepunch

[QUOTE=niel12_5D;44870981]Hello Facepunch. Just wanted to make sure you guys understood that "kyle877" just compared the time a woman goes through painful menstrual cramps to going to a football game.[/QUOTE] i'd want to die if i went to a football game too

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44870670]The solution for parental leave causing bias in employment would be for the government to mandate that all employers provide paid leave to both parents. Ideally as a pool that both parents can decide to divide up as they see fit. Menstrual leave could be handled similarly. I'd be fine with it requiring sick days if there were also a mandated minimum number of sick days for all employees.[/QUOTE] I'd rather just more paid sick days being given to employees rather then coming up with excuses to give a few people more sick days. That just invites abuse, no matter the original intention.

[QUOTE=J!NX;44870518]maternity leave is way way different then menstrual leave though[/QUOTE] Obviously? I was referring to the "no work, no pay" statement.

[QUOTE=lavacano;44870857]you know it just occured to me if a woman's out on menstrual every month, someone else needs to fill in for her this could create a lot of jobs[/QUOTE] How? There isn't magically more money to go around.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44871570]Weird, your flag says USA, but you're obviously from Exaggeration Land?[/QUOTE]No man, having a period obviously feels like your nuts getting smashed with a nail bat.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44869020]Do you think maternal leave should be abolished, requiring women to take sick days, and paternal leave be abolished with no option for time off at all?[/QUOTE] He didn't insinuate that even a little.

Its like they want to make women unhirable.

[QUOTE=lavacano;44870657][img]http://401ak47.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/zombie-baseball-bat-stick-with-nails.jpg[/img] It equates more to getting your balls smashed in with this thing every month. I don't know about you but if that happens to me I ain't gonna be doing shit for a while.[/QUOTE] If that's the case you REALLY should visit your doctor and most likely change your diet.

I just heard about this today in the paper in which the author (a feminist) actually came out against it because it set up fairly arbitrary (to say nothing of awkward) rules between sexes for what really should just be a unisex paid sick leave situation.

Jesus. I work in nursing, where the schedule is already a complete and utter clusterfuck as it is, and the vast majority of employees in all departments (except maintenance) are women. If this kind of policy was implemented and used the scheduler would probably kill herself within a week and everything would be up in flames shortly after.

[QUOTE=Carnotite;44874845]Jesus. I work in nursing, where the schedule is already a complete and utter clusterfuck as it is, and the vast majority of employees in all departments (except maintenance) are women. If this kind of policy was implemented and used the scheduler would probably kill herself within a week and everything would be up in flames shortly after.[/QUOTE] Most of my colleagues are women in the hospital I'm interning at, I can confirm that it would be absolute hell on earth with that many absences, they'd need to employ tonnes of extra staff to cover something like this. Assuming you're doing medical nursing, though. Whoever thought of this leave is a genius.

In which a group of teenaged males are experts on periods

Paid menstral leave is the perfect setup for an income inequality situation. Honestly would be better to stick to sick days.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44874886]In which a group of teenaged males are experts on periods[/QUOTE] Men can't have opinions on women's issues?

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;44874914]Paid menstral leave is the perfect setup for an income inequality situation. Honestly would be better to stick to sick days.[/QUOTE] An income inequality situation already exists. Mostly because in their late twenties, women start to focus on their families rather than their careers. The main reason for the income inequality being <1 FTE jobs and the typical line of work where these type of jobs are available. When you look at what kind of jobs people do before "family" comes into play, you'll notice that women are often better qualified than men of the same age, and also earn a bigger paycheck. For women who have painful menstrual cycles, there is medication available that suppresses the cycle, which would be a much better solution than sending women home on paid leave. I'm not sure what the current healthcare status is on birth control, but such medication is effectively classed as such and could thus possibly be provided by the state. [QUOTE=Rangergxi;44875016]Men can't have opinions on women's issues?[/QUOTE] Only if you agree with the local tumblr clique.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44875016]Men can't have opinions on women's issues?[/QUOTE] I just think it's funny that both sides are acting like they know how a period feels idk how a fucking period feels and neither do any of you

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44874886]In which a group of teenaged males are experts on periods[/QUOTE] In which they can easily view something like paid menstrual leave as unfair.

[QUOTE=Swilly;44877207]In which they can easily view something like paid menstrual leave as unfair.[/QUOTE] Maybe use context clues and realize I clearly wasn't even commenting on that? Christ you guys are touchy. I like how anyone who disagrees with you is automatically the "tumblr clique" even if they were making fun of both sides. Meanwhile, I've never posted on tumblr. I can see where you'd get that impression though what with my oppression of men by telling them they aren't allowed to have periods.

Just give them the days off without pay? I could maybe see this being feasible if it were a day, [I]maybe,[/I] but it honestly just seems unreasonable at this stage.

[QUOTE=Swilly;44871277]I'd rather just more paid sick days being given to employees rather then coming up with excuses to give a few people more sick days. That just invites abuse, no matter the original intention.[/QUOTE] You can't stop an entire system because of a minority of people that abuse it. Same logic can, and is, applied in arguments against having welfare. Also it's super unfair that women are forced to use their sick days when their menstrual bullshit makes it impossible for them to come to work. That means a lot of women automatically have less days just because of their biological makeup. You are a man and you also want more sick days? Develop a chronic illness, or suck it up and thank God that you don't have a period. [editline]22nd May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=V12US;44875821]Only if you agree with the local tumblr clique.[/QUOTE] it's hilarious that so many users on this forum are obsessed with a group of people on other sites that they'll never have to interact with. make fun of somebody who's actually posting in this thread, that way you'll actually get a response AND you can develop some good skills to use in arguments.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;44879052]You can't stop an entire system because of a minority of people that abuse it. Same logic can, and is, applied in arguments against having welfare. Also it's super unfair that women are forced to use their sick days when their menstrual bullshit makes it impossible for them to come to work. That means a lot of women automatically have less days just because of their biological makeup. You are a man and you also want more sick days? Develop a chronic illness, or suck it up and thank God that you don't have a period. [editline]22nd May 2014[/editline] it's hilarious that so many users on this forum are obsessed with a group of people on other sites that they'll never have to interact with. make fun of somebody who's actually posting in this thread, that way you'll actually get a response AND you can develop some good skills to use in arguments.[/QUOTE] sweet, you know what will be super fair when people stop hiring women for time critical jobs or intensive jobs because you're claiming that their period makes it "impossible" for them to work. here's a question, is the percentage of women that cannot work on a period that large? If it isn't, then great, treat it like we treat people who suffer from chronic pain. If it is, society must be crumbling from the 51% of the population of the earth that are rendered incapable on a monthly basis

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;44879052] Also it's super unfair that women are forced to use their sick days when their menstrual bullshit makes it impossible for them to come to work. That means a lot of women automatically have less days just because of their biological makeup. [/QUOTE]Why is it unfair? Not all women get crippling cramps. The ones that have it bad can pop a painkiller. For the rest there is sick leave because you are obviously sick if your period renders you unable to work.

Women would never get hired. Who wants a worker that takes a few days off each month in addition to illnesses?

[QUOTE=InsaneParrot;44879708]Women would never get hired. Who wants a worker that takes a few days off each month in addition to illnesses?[/QUOTE] Make a law that says at least x% of workers must be women.

If you were really in such terrible pain where I work, you would be given extremely light duty if you let people know. If you wanted to use your sick leave, by all means, no questions asked. If this became a week-long ordeal every month, you would start running into problems, but coming to work and informing your supervisor you're not feeling well will often solve the problem. We aren't slaves, and we're not going to be worked into the ground, but making a habit out of something will always raise suspicions. I can't say the same for small businesses and part-time employees who don't have benefits, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44877221]Maybe use context clues and realize I clearly wasn't even commenting on that? Christ you guys are touchy. I like how anyone who disagrees with you is automatically the "tumblr clique" even if they were making fun of both sides. Meanwhile, I've never posted on tumblr. I can see where you'd get that impression though what with my oppression of men by telling them they aren't allowed to have periods.[/QUOTE] I never implied tumblr clique shit which is stupid, most of that crap stays self contained in its own backlog of disgustingly insulting opinions that makes everyone cringe. And I should've read context clues, sorry about that.

[QUOTE=Swilly;44871277]I'd rather just more paid sick days being given to employees rather then coming up with excuses to give a few people more sick days. That just invites abuse, no matter the original intention.[/QUOTE] Seems to me like the fairest, simplest solution to this issue(?). Everybody gets a particular amount of sick days that just covers what would be necessary to compensate debilitating menstrual periods. No discrimination, no complicated procedures. Everybody wins... ...except for employers, schedulers, and HR departments who have to deal with an ever-increasing amount of affirmative* legislation, but alas, such is life in the grim dark ergatocracy of the U.S. commercial sector.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;44879052]You can't stop an entire system because of a minority of people that abuse it. Same logic can, and is, applied in arguments against having welfare. Also it's super unfair that women are forced to use their sick days when their menstrual bullshit makes it impossible for them to come to work. That means a lot of women automatically have less days just because of their biological makeup. You are a man and you also want more sick days? Develop a chronic illness, or suck it up and thank God that you don't have a period. [/QUOTE] How about we just make it so women with terrible menstrual cramps will just get it noted as a chronic illness and then be done with it. While it is a problem it's not like half the female population is unable to work because of these cramps - only a few (from a personal experience I'd say maybe 3-5 out of 100, but this might be totally misguided, I'll admit) is actually incapacitated, and a broad extension of sick days might fuck up women's job prospects even more.

[QUOTE=proch;44868603]Blue Balls days. You're on paid leave if had no sex for the last 2 weeks.[/QUOTE] You wouldn't have to work for the rest of your life :v: