Election in Russia sees Putin's United Russia Party returned to power, against all expectations
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[QUOTE=karimatrix;51076018]60% of Russia simply did not participate the vote out of misplaced "it's all rigged".
No shit! They litterally had to "make up" some vote bailouts to count for it!
I mean, i [I]can[/I] believe that United Russia party got around 37% of total vote - that means they are supported by 1/5 of nation wich is close to reality, and therefor had to compensate around 20% by a rig vote to remain majority in Duma.
With that said, if other 4/5 of people actually voted responsibly, even with EdRo's 20% rig of vote they would not stand against a [B]HUGE[/B] overflow of vote against their party.
Soo i guess Russian people get what they deserve - it was a sunday afternoon, and most poeple simply sat on their asses at home without excuse.[/QUOTE]Now i've got an image in my head of Putin as a sloth demon from Dragon Age: Origins, just sapping the will to vote, and eventually live, from the Russian people.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;51075842]Why does nobody overthrow this dickhead[/QUOTE]
I don't doubt that some serious electoral fraud has happened at this election, but Putin and United Russia have huge support from the electorate anyways. They are populists, just like Trump.
The reason people don't or won't fight back is that no one knows exactly who is getting help and whose not getting help from Putin.
Early in his career, his communication head listed a bunch of far left and far right groups that the government and Putin had supported in secret. Not only did this sow a lot of confusion is also made any sort of political gain incredibly suspect.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51078112]Not everyone craves democracy.[/QUOTE]
And tyrannical leaders are historically popular among the people.
The people have a common issue of supporting factions that are against their interest, for some reason.
[QUOTE=gudman;51078063]Regardless of reasons, t's still pretty telling that the majority of people preferred to do something else rather than waste time playing stupid games with Kremlin. That's a good thing, people know that Kremlin's [i]elections[/i] have very little to do with elections and "vote" against this situation.
Hell, for once I actually feel some pride for my people.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. Russian nation is not keen to finding alternatives novadays. If people lacking will to spend few hours once 4 years, on a sudnday afternoon, to participate in something that at least presented as their chance to speak up their opinion on goverment, do you think they'd ever have time and effort for actual reformation of their country against goverment's power?
This is no celebration of protest aganst illegitimate vote, this is an alarming lack of motivation to do anything at all.
[editline]20th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;51078130]Now i've got an image in my head of Putin as a sloth demon from Dragon Age: Origins, just sapping the will to vote, and eventually live, from the Russian people.[/QUOTE]
More like an entire body of russian goverment, it,'s a friggen shogo-something out of cthulu mythos
I really wonder about Russia after Putin. His party and their partners all appear as yes men. He has been at the forefront of the country's affairs for nearly 20 years now. How will Russia take it when he eventually loses the ability to lead?
[QUOTE=croguy;51078340]I really wonder about Russia after Putin. His party and their partners all appear as yes men. He has been at the forefront of the country's affairs for nearly 20 years now. How will Russia take it when he eventually loses the ability to lead?[/QUOTE]
Probably someone else like Putin will be put on the pedestal on his place.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;51078302]I disagree. Russian nation is not keen to finding alternatives novadays. If people lacking will to spend few hours once 4 years, on a sudnday afternoon, to participate in something that [b]at least presented as their chance to speak up their opinion on goverment[/b], do you think they'd ever have time and effort for actual reformation of their country against goverment's power?
This is no celebration of protest aganst illegitimate vote, this is an alarming lack of motivation to do anything at all.[/QUOTE]
Yeah - that part? Everyone knows at this point, that it's a lie. These "elections" serve no other purpose but to legitimize the regime. The fact that some parties from the opposition participated in that deeply saddens me, and brings into question their true motives. Either they know what they're in for and just want to get financed by the state on the off chance that they get a place or two, or they're retarded. Somehow I really doubt that Kasyanov and Yavlinsky are both intellectually impaired, so it seems rather pessimistic: they knowingly and willingly participated in something that can only be adequately described as a fraud.
As I said, regardless of reasons for not participating, turnout this low shows that people just straight up don't believe that these "elections" can possibly have any effect on their living conditions. Which is true, that game has been rigged long, long before the election day.
Not really a big surprise. Even the russians i know here in Norway adore Putin.
Believe it or not some people actually like Putin, especially when almost all of the other parties are generally completely retarded.
A friend I have who is living in Russia told me that the United Russia party is one of the only viable parties, because then you've got shit like the communist party and the well known LDPR, lead by the well known Zhirinovsky, who shows up in sensationalist headlines every so often with someone posting an article thinking that what he says is worth shit.
Not to mention a good amount of the population aren't really a fan of democracy.
[editline]20th September 2016[/editline]
Not gonna doubt that elections are rigged as fuck there though.
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Not to mention a good amount of the population aren't really a fan of democracy.
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I'm not a fan of the kind of democracy authoritarian regimes offer too tbh. Let them vote themselves in if they like to play 'pretend' that much.
[QUOTE=CroGamer002;51078256]And tyrannical leaders are historically popular among the people.
The people have a common issue of supporting factions that are against their interest, for some reason.[/QUOTE]
I have a theory on why this generally happens but with Russia I think would be the exception. Democracy was tried in the 1990s and that didnt work too well. I guess strong men are often the last resort in times of chaos.
Why did you add "against all expectations" to the title? That's not in the article, it's editorialized. He is extremely popular. This was a predictable result. Even if there was no rigging he would have won in a landslide.
People don't seem to understand that not everyone around the world is liberal. Nationalist conservative leaders are very popular in places like Russia and the Phillipines
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51077165]One common voter suppression tactic, even in the US, is to have the polls open at inconvenient times. For example, the polling station may be open in the morning but close mid-afternoon, which prevents working people from voting unless they take a day off or get special permission from their boss.[/QUOTE]
In countries where election process actually makes sense(not like in the US), the elections are held on Sunday when most people don't work and polling stations are open whole day (from 7 AM to 7 PM here for example) so more people can vote. I wont say it really helps, though.
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51079169]Even with pretend democracy, you can still shut down any attempts at meaningful change by telling hem to vote instead.[/QUOTE]
No change can be brought by participating in this illegitimate mockery. These 'elections' are the way for Putin's regime to pretend that they give people a way to change something, that they uphold and respect the principles of Constitution. They don't - they know it, we know it, they know that we know it, there's no need to willingly play along, fuck them.
[editline]20th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51079185]Why did you add "against all expectations" to the title? That's not in the article, it's editorialized. He is extremely popular. This was a predictable result. Even if there was no rigging he would have won in a landslide.
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No they wouldn't, independent experts have figured out exactly where these 'elections' have gone off the rails and went on their merry way into the land of fuckery. According to several calculations, reality would've been more like 40% for United Russia (instead of 54%) with other parties having bigger and more diverse presence, which would've supposedly drawn a very different picture. Supposedly - because there's no one but United Russia in the parliament, they're all as pro-Putin as UR is.
Either way, these elections show fuck all in the way of trust and support Russian people have for Putin. Which is why I'm so happy so many people didn't bite this time and decided not to waste their time making mr. Putin happy that his 'elections' still fool everyone.
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Either way, these elections show fuck all in the way of trust and support Russian people have for Putin. Which is why I'm so happy so many people didn't bite this time and decided not to waste their time making mr. Putin happy that his 'elections' still fool everyone.[/QUOTE]
Again, how is this positive? Next vote even less people will participate and even more votes will be riged and soo on and on until only 10% of population will be presenting whole country during elections?
It would have been an achievement if there was something to follow up to this idle state of population. But nothing else is gong to happen, cause again - low turn out is not a sign a mass protest to rigged elections, but a symptom of indifference to any political activity at all.
The russian situation is incredibly similar to the Chinese one. China's not a true "communist", in a sense, its just no non-communist party members ever sanely make it to the ballot
[editline]20th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=karimatrix;51079306]Again, how is this positive? Next vote even less people will participate and even more votes will be riged and soo on and on until only 10% of population will be presenting whole country during elections?
It would have been an achievement if there was something to follow up to this idle state of population. But nothing else is gong to happen, cause again - low turn out is not a sign a mass protest to rigged elections, but a symptom of indifference to any political activity at all.[/QUOTE]
This is true, its just promoting citizen docility.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;51079306]Again, how is this positive? Next vote even less people will participate and even more votes will be riged and soo on and on until only 10% of population will be presenting whole country during elections?
It would have been an achievement if there was something to follow up to this idle state of population. But nothing else is gong to happen, cause again - low turn out is not a sign a mass protest to rigged elections, but a symptom of indifference to any political activity at all.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, less and less people will participate and put their trust in Putin's ability and [i]willingness[/i] to uphold the law. It's not just positive, it's positively [b]great[/b]. People don't trust Putin and call his bluff through inaction (these elections don't matter => fuck these elections, fuck politics). It's not a protest, it's just [i][b]the only[/b][/i], - I'll repeat, - [i][b]the only[/b][/i] way such an amount of people can voice their opinion in Russia today. There is straight up no other way. TV is blocked, you can't organize a protest or a meeting, rambling on the Internet is stupid and useless, there's no way to not vote against Putin's party (because all of them are Putin's parties) except for a couple token "opposition" parties that were allowed to be included and that obviously won't be allowed to pass the 5% threshold, so every single ballot given for them will go to Putin's parties. The votes literally don't matter.
You operate on a premise that this "election" matters. Get it into your head - they don't, these aren't even elections. Putin is a dictator - he usurped the power unlawfully and illegitimately when he came back for the third term and won the illegitimate elections, supported by illegitimate Parliament. When people started to try and protest that - Parliament instantly disowned its voters (yes, the protesters were largely people who voted for Commies, LDPR or Just Russia), presented a law that bans and punishes meetings and thrown them to the dogs, we still have people who rot in prison since those events. And with all that you're saying that you honestly believe that this mockery, that's entirely run and controlled by Putin's regime itself at every step of the way, can possibly change something? You must be joking. Actual, real political situation deserves nothing but indifference - people [b]should[/b] be indifferent to what Putin tries to bullshit them in. Whether there [b]is[/b] an alternative, and if large masses are interested and willing enough to seek it, is an entirely different question, what's certain is the fact that as long as Russians will keep trusting in Putin's "honest elections" - he'll stay there and absolutely nothing can be done. Good thing that we trust them no longer.
Just wait for the inevitable power vacuum that will follow when Putin dies.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;51079763]Just wait for the inevitable power vacuum that will follow when Putin dies.[/QUOTE]
From that point on, it just won't be possible for it to get any worse. The amount of radicals in Russia has always been very low (somehow we've shown a surprising amount of immunity to radical ideologies, we don't catch those in any meaningful numbers - at worse we tend to mimic the ideology of those who sit in power, and they have to get there still), now it's lower than ever. So there won't be any Fourth Reichs, USSRs and what have you. It'll just be 90s all over again.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;51079763]Just wait for the inevitable power vacuum that will follow when Putin dies.[/QUOTE]
Thinking that Putin is the one and only is kinda wrong though. As i've already posted somewhere, Putin is just the top of the iceberg of a huge political machine that rules the country. Sure he's not a complete puppet, but most of his power comes from support of many powerful and rich people, not from his talents or something. There might be a power vacuum in a straight up real dicatatorship where the king actually controls everyone and everything, but in our country they'll just raise another "prominent" politician and turn him into the next putin when the time comes.
[QUOTE=gudman;51079602]
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You operate on a premise that this "election" matters[/B]. Get it into your head - they don't, these aren't even elections. Putin is a dictator - he usurped the power unlawfully and illegitimately when he came back for the third term and won the illegitimate elections, supported by illegitimate Parliament. When people started to try and protest that - Parliament instantly disowned its voters (yes, the protesters were largely people who voted for Commies, LDPR or Just Russia), presented a law that bans and punishes meetings and thrown them to the dogs, we still have people who rot in prison since those events. And [B]with all that you're saying that you honestly believe that this mockery, that's entirely run and controlled by Putin's regime itself at every step of the way, can possibly change something?[/B] You must be joking. Actual, real political situation deserves nothing but indifference - people [b]should[/b] be indifferent to what Putin tries to bullshit them in. [B]Whether there [b]is[/b] an alternative, and if large masses are interested and willing enough to seek it, is an entirely different question[/B], what's certain is the fact that as long as Russians will keep trusting in Putin's "honest elections" - he'll stay there and absolutely nothing can be done. Good thing that we trust them no longer.[/QUOTE]
No, i don't.
i operate in premise that the elections even as rigged as they are, with such a small turn out is no "Oh, we Know it's Putin's elections therefor we won't go" but rather "I don't give a shit about anything at all".
Dunno where you picked up that i believed in election, i merely believe in what happens when apathy takes over.
As for "alternative", i merely cited that if 60% people ditch the vote due to "not giving a fuck", then real alternative is going to be a missed chance cause it's going to be negleted without giving it a time and effort as well.
It's great that people refuse to take goverment's crap, yeah, but if they refuse to do anything at al - bad sign of nation going full vegetable. Yeah, fuck elections! But why don't you go to electoral site and wreck a bill then? Write a dick on it or something? Talk to people there, share thoughts, observe, discuss, do some shenanigans?
Here is your truth - if somebody really wanted to sabotage election, to change something, they could always burn the paper bins, rig them, buyout votes, do anything, do anything even if it would be[I] dirty and extreme[/I] to achieve goal. And they would, cause they would be desperate and willing to take risk and maybe even sacrifise something.
But instead we get half a nation using they legal right of exercising their rear sides against the couch surface during whole election day and you think those people do so out of disrespect for authorities and lack of other options?!
Because they don't like Putin?!
No, it because
[B]THEY DON'T LIKE MOVING THEIR ASSES AT ALL.[/B]
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Here is your truth - if somebody really wanted to sabotage election, to change something, they could always burn the paper bins, rig them, buyout votes, do anything, do anything even if it would be[I] dirty and extreme[/I] to achieve goal. And they would, cause they would be desperate and willing to take risk and maybe even sacrifise something.[/QUOTE]
And achieve precisely nothing with those actions. When I said that elections don't matter, I meant it. They just don't, that's why nobody gives a fuck about them, and they shouldn't. "Sabotaging" these 'elections' is a ridiculous idea in and of itself - there's nothing to sabotage, neither is there a point in doing it.
Liking or disliking Putin has no meaning in this, it's about quality of life - regardless of anyone's opinion of Putin and his regime, people don't like the system as a whole and here's a result - pathetic turnout. That's all it is, it's not "sabotaging the elections" or something, it's a sign that people burnt out with this shit and don't want to have anything to do with it.
Like, what's up with you and wanting to do anything? Wreck bins, draw on bills? [b]Why[/b]? That does nothing, it just wastes your time better spent on idk, watching some movies with friends or going out with your girlfriend? Hell, just sitting on your ass reading something is more productive, that at least doesn't land you in jail, unlike stealing and burning stuff.
As for the last part, well, that's funny because previous elections had a bigger turnout. And the ones before then - even bigger. Seems like more and more people start disliking this "moving their asses" idea. Yeah, I kind of believe it has something to do with the quality of life declining rather than them just being lazy. Apathetic - yeah. And there's nothing wrong with being apathetic towards shit that doesn't work.
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