Palestinian teen activist could face years in prison after slapping an Israeli soldier - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52998506]Then you're just nitpicking, in a very strange way. "Israel is acting like Nazis. No, not [I]those[/I] Nazis."[/QUOTE] That's not even remotely close to what I said. You're just grasping at straws. I said this : "The Nazi's didn't shoot every civilian of the countries they occupied. Most of Western Europe saw situations very similar to what Palestinians are seeing now. " I specifically referred to what most of Western European civilians saw.

Western Europe's population wasn't resettled/ regions weren't germanised like it is now on the Israel-Palestine line. Bad analogy.

[QUOTE=Mifil;52998524]Western Europe's population wasn't resettled/ regions weren't germanised like it is now on the Israel-Palestine line. Bad analogy.[/QUOTE] Western Europe's population wasn't Palestine's, thus it's a bad analogy. You can say that about anything. The point of an analogy is that it's something similar, not exactly the same. Up to a certain point, Palestinians and West Europeans experienced similar things.

[QUOTE=joost1120;52998543]Western Europe's population wasn't Palestine's, thus it's a bad analogy. You can say that about anything. The point of an analogy is that it's something similar, not exactly the same. Up to a certain point, Palestinians and West Europeans experienced similar things.[/QUOTE] Explain that certain point and those similarities in detail. I'm for now standing by my point that those two situations are very different and had little in common.

[QUOTE=Mifil;52998555]Explain that certain point and those similarities in detail. I'm for now standing by my point that those two situations are very different and had little in common.[/QUOTE] Both are occupied by an external military force that doesn't treat it well. Both groups suffer collective punishments from the occupying force. Both groups' freedom of movement and trade were limited by the occupying force. Both groups are at risk of losing their home by force (Israeli forces bombing houses if they're suspected to contain weapons or terrorists, Nazi's searching the house if they suspect weapons or terrorists/resistance fighters). [editline]22nd December 2017[/editline] In the way the people are treated, they are very similar. Sure, the Nazi's were a lot (understatement) more extreme, but for the average civilian it'd be a similar experience.

So you could literally just compare this to any war in the past and yet you've picked the worst one to compare it to. It's confusing to say it lightely considering we know what kind of occupiers the Nazis were in the Europe. [editline]23rd December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=joost1120;52998572] In the way the people are treated, they are very similar. Sure, the Nazi's were a lot (understatement) more extreme, but for the average civilian it'd be a similar experience.[/QUOTE] So as I mentioned, any other war would've been suited for this argument.

[QUOTE=Mifil;52998601]So you could literally just compare this to any war in the past and yet you've picked the worst one to compare it to. It's confusing to say it lightely considering we know what kind of occupiers the Nazis were in the Europe. [editline]23rd December 2017[/editline] So as I mentioned, any other war would've been suited for this argument.[/QUOTE] What don't you get here? I didn't pick anything. I wasn't the one that compared Israel to the Nazi's. This was my original post: [QUOTE=joost1120;52995866] [QUOTE=Svinnik;52995821]If they were Nazis, every member of that family would be executed by the side of the road.[/QUOTE] The Nazi's didn't shoot every civilian of the countries they occupied. Most of Western Europe saw situations very similar to what Palestinians are seeing now.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, you didn't. But maybe just maybe you shouldn't have expanded on Tetracycline's statement.

[QUOTE=Mifil;52998626]Yeah, you didn't. But maybe just maybe you shouldn't have expanded on Tetracycline's statement.[/QUOTE] Why, is correcting erroneous statements frowned upon for some reason?

[QUOTE=Mifil;52998626]Yeah, you didn't. But maybe just maybe you shouldn't have expanded on Tetracycline's statement.[/QUOTE] But why not? It is true. Modern Palestinians suffer a lot of the same things most occupied West European civilians suffered. Should I not have said anything about the Nazi's out of fear of triggering people?

[QUOTE=_Axel;52998633]Why, is correcting erroneous statements frowned upon for some reason?[/QUOTE] Tetracycline stated that Israelis are just like Nazis, which is laughable of course. Joost's post was an answer to Svinnik's post on Tetracycline's post. Svinnik was disproving the said statement. Then Joost commented that what Nazis did in W. E. is comparable to what Israelians are doing todsy with Palestine. How is that a correction?

[QUOTE=Mifil;52998651]Tetracycline stated that Israelis are just like Nazis, which is laughable of course. Joost's post was an answer to Svinnik's post on Tetracycline's post. Svinnik was disproving the said statement. Then Joost commented that what Nazis did in W. E. is comparable to what Israelians are doing todsy with Palestine. How is that a correction?[/QUOTE] What don't you get here? I told you several times, yet you keep saying my points aren't valid without anything to back it up. Tetracycline didn't say the Israeli's are just like Nazi's, he said they are just like Nazi's IN THE PALESTINIANS' EYES. "Israeli soldiers basically ARE Nazi's [B]to them[/B]" Svinnik made a generalization about the Nazi's actions in Eastern Europe as an occupying force. I corrected him, their actions in Western Europe were different to their actions in Eastern Europe. How isn't that a correction? What are we even arguing about?

[QUOTE=joost1120;52998645]But why not? It is true. Modern Palestinians suffer a lot of the same things most occupied West European civilians suffered. Should I not have said anything about the Nazi's out of fear of triggering people?[/QUOTE] That's not what I meant. Compare it to the Nazi-occupied West Europe as much as you want. But then you would need to explain to people what you mean by that. You're presenting a situation in a way it matches your argument while completely ignoring the obvious and heavy differences. There are no specific groups within the Palestinian population that is genocided by Israelis. Israelis are more humanitarian than the Nazis have ever been. Palestine is seen as an territorial expansion, while W.E. wasn't (excluding Lorraine). I could really go on, but the point is - any other war would've been suited for this argument due to the said factors. [editline]23rd December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=joost1120;52998671]What don't you get here? I told you several times, yet you keep saying my points aren't valid without anything to back it up. Tetracycline didn't say the Israeli's are just like Nazi's, he said they are just like Nazi's IN THE PALESTINIANS' EYES. "Israeli soldiers basically ARE Nazi's [B]to them[/B]" Svinnik made a generalization about the Nazi's actions in Eastern Europe as an occupying force. I corrected him, their actions in Western Europe were different to their actions in Eastern Europe. How isn't that a correction? What are we even arguing about?[/QUOTE] Because that's not the correction I was talking about. It seems like there's some kind fo misunderstanding there. I'm not here to prove that Palestinians don't see Israelians are some kind of Nazis. I'm just explaining how that's factually wrong and elaborating on the fact that you seem to think the same in specifed context.

[QUOTE=Mifil;52998674]That's not what I meant. Compare it to the Nazi-occupied West Europe as much as you want. But then you would need to explain to people what you mean by that. You're presenting a situation in a way it matches your argument while completely ignoring the obvious and heavy differences. There are no specific groups within the Palestinian population that is genocided by Israelis. Israelis are more humanitarian than the Nazis have ever been. Palestine is seen as an territorial expansion, while W.E. wasn't (excluding Lorraine). I could really go on, but the point is - any other war would've been suited for this argument due to the said factors.[/QUOTE] But why are you even talking about this? I already said that myself. I've had this exact argument a page earlier. Please read the thread before making posts. It's not even a long thread. I was specifically talking about how the majority of the population of the occupied countries were treated. I mentioned the similarities between the occupied countries. Mentioning two similarities between things doesn't mean both are the same objects. Both a watermelon and a lime are round and green. You don't suddenly assume both are similar in all aspects either, I hope? Like I said earlier in this thread, a lot of other occupying forces would've been suitable for this argument, but none are as memorable. Just going to quote myself for this: [QUOTE] Also, it's a bit easier to relate to the occupation by the Nazi's than the occupation of Libya by Italy before the first world war. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=joost1120;52998698]But why are you even talking about this? I already said that myself. I've had this exact argument a page earlier. Please read the thread before making posts. It's not even a long thread. I was specifically talking about how the majority of the population of the occupied countries were treated. I mentioned the similarities between the occupied countries. Mentioning two similarities between things doesn't mean both are the same objects. Both a watermelon and a lime are round and green. You don't suddenly assume both are similar in all aspects either, I hope? Like I said earlier in this thread, a lot of other occupying forces would've been suitable for this argument, but none are as memorable. Just going to quote myself for this:[/QUOTE] "But none are memorable". That's not true. Partitions of Poland, Baltic region of Russian Empire, British Ireland, Multi-Ethnical Empire of Austria, colonization of Russian Far East and far far more. You have heard of those. If not, maybe you should educate yourself. I also disagree that Nazis are easier to relate to than to tge aftermatch of Italian-Ottoman war. "Nazi argument is easier" my ass. You are comparing genociders to Israelians and then you have to expand on your point so that it wouldn't look like you're comparing genocidal nature of Nazis to Palestinian situation. It's not easier by any means. The rest of your post is some kind of nonsensical bad joke. Or rather a child's play. In the future, please avoid adding such unneeded comparisons. And yes, you mention that you aren't the author of the thought. Not that it matters. Once again I'm not arguing the Nazis aren't similiar to Israelians in any way, I however explain in detail why there were better choices for the example.

[QUOTE=Mifil;52998762]"But none are memorable". That's not true. Partitions of Poland, Baltic region of Russian Empire, British Ireland, Multi-Ethnical Empire of Austria, colonization of Russian Far East and far far more. You have heard of those. If not, maybe you should educate yourself. I also disagree that Nazis are easier to relate to than to tge aftermatch of Italian-Ottoman war. "Nazi argument is easier" my ass. You are comparing genociders to Israelians and then you have to expand on your point so that it wouldn't look like you're comparing genocidal nature of Nazis to Palestinian situation. It's not easier by any means. The rest of your post is some kind of nonsensical bad joke. Or rather a child's play. In the future, please avoid adding such unneeded comparisons. And yes, you mention that you aren't the author of the thought. Not that it matters. Once again I'm not arguing the Nazis aren't similiar to Israelians in any way, I however explain in detail why there were better choices for the example.[/QUOTE] Right, I understand your logic from the very beginning, but it's very warped. I've already said several times that I'm not the one that brought the Nazi's into this. So why bring it up yet again? The argument was that the Palestinians see Israel like how the Europeans saw the Nazi's. And that's true for West Europeans. I am not comparing the genocidal nature of Nazi's to Israel, I've already clarified that so many times. Here I am comparing apples and oranges, while you're saying I can't do that, and should compare it to beef instead, since it's a food too. It doesn't matter whether you agree or not. We've established there are a lot of similarities between the way the Nazi's treated Western Europe and how Israel treats Palestine. That's all.