[QUOTE=Spetzaz;27255451]Translated:
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[editline]7th January 2011[/editline]
Yes they can. One small miss and you're damn near bound to hit another passenger. It's like shooting at one person in a crowd.[/QUOTE]
...yeah that's a person, not a plane.
I'll repeat again, that's shooting a person NOT a plane.
[QUOTE=bravehat;27255542]...yeah that's a person, not a plane.
I'll repeat again, that's shooting a person NOT a plane.[/QUOTE]
"Guns can't do much in a plane"
That's pretty much what I said yes to. Sorry 'bout the miscommunication.
If this was in America he would sue the people that tackled him and win.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;27234603]Really good point. Haven't actually thought of that.[/QUOTE]
Really? I never have good points what the fuck
[QUOTE=bravehat;27255513]Nothing happens, there's no explosive decompression you see in all the movies.
There's a hole in the plane, some air goes whistling out of it, the oxygen masks drop down and everyone goes on, albeit ever so slightly colder.[/QUOTE]
Depends on the circumstances. This is what explosive decompression caused on Aloha Airlines Flight 243:
[img]http://www.jethag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/243.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=noctune9;27258520]Depends on the circumstances. This is what explosive decompression caused on Aloha Airlines Flight 243:
[img_thumb]http://www.jethag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/243.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
you're forgetting the part where a massive part of the plane's skin actually peeled away beforehand
Trying to hijack a pane full of Norwegians, eh?
[QUOTE=cheesedelux;27238718]He's probably one of those separatist Kurds and didn't want those filthy foreigners/non-kurds in what he thought should be his country.
And made a complete mess of it and an idiot out of himself.[/QUOTE]
No, he was seeking asylum in Norway and got denied hence the hijacking.
Here's a source: [url]http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=man-attempts-to-hijack-thy-plane-in-istanbul-reports-say-2011-01-05[/url]
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27258534]you're forgetting the part where a massive part of the plane's skin actually peeled away beforehand[/QUOTE]
Nope. That's why I said it depends on the circumstances.
[QUOTE=noctune9;27258865]Nope. That's why I said it depends on the circumstances.[/QUOTE]
And I'm saying that a gunshot will rarely if ever cause explosive decompression on an airliner.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;27255424]of course somebody would tackle him down.
think about it. either nobody does, and you all die. or somebody does and nobody dies. or somebody tries, fails, and everybody dies.
there's only one smart option.[/QUOTE]
This is a very good point
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;27230726]Actually it would take a lot more than one or two pistol caliber bullets through the plane's fuselage to do any real damage. It's not like the air inside the plane suddenly goes "A HOLE! ATTAAACK!".
Most of the damage will be done to the offending officer's wallet when he gets the repair bill.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. a Hole in the plane at those high altitudes does suck the oxygen out, and at a great rate. And if the bullet hits one of those windows, the entire window could go out, meaning it's going to start sucking people's laptops, and actual people that aren't strapped towards it... Here I'll give you an example, and this is a pretty amazing story too
[quote]The accident occurred during a scheduled flight (BA 5390) fromBirmingham to Malaga, Spain. With 81 passengers, four cabin crewand two flight crew the aircraft took off from Birmingham InternationalAirport at 0720 hrs and, having been transferred by ATC to theDaventry and then the Bristol Sector Controller of London AirTraffic Control Centre (LATCC), was cleared to Flight Level (FL)140.A number of radar headings were ordered until the flight was instructedto maintain a radar heading of 1950M and cleared for a furtherclimb to FL 230. The co-pilot had been the handling pilot duringthe take-off and, once established in the climb, the commanderwas handling the aircraft in accordance with the operator's normaloperating procedures. At this stage both pilots had released theirshoulder harness, using the release bar on the buckle, and thecommander had loosened his lap-strap.
At 0733 hrs as the cabin staff prepared to serve a meal and drinks,and, as the aircraft was climbing through about 17,300 feet pressurealtitude, there was a loud bang and the fuselage filled with condensationmist. [b]It was at once apparent to the cabin crew that an explosivedecompression had occurred.The commander had been partially suckedout of his windscreen aperture and the flight deck door had beenblown onto the flight deck where it lay across the radio and navigationconsole. [/b]The No 3 steward, who had been working on the cabin sideof the door, rushed onto the flight deck and grasped the commanderround his waist to hold onto him. The purser meanwhile removedthe debris of the door and stowed it in the forward toilet. Theother two cabin staff instructed the passengers to fasten theirseat belts, reassured them and took up their emergency positions.
The co-pilot immediately attempted to control the aircraft and,once he had regained control, initiated a rapid descent to FL110.He re-engaged the autopilot which had become disconnected by displacementof the control column during the commander's partial egress andmade a distress call on the frequency in use but he was unableto hear its acknowledgment due to the noise of rushing air onthe flight deck. There was some delay in establishing two-waycommunications and consequently the Bristol Sector Controllerwas not immediately aware of the nature of the emergency. Thisled indirecty to the LATCC Watch Supervisor not advising the aircraftoperator of the incident, as required by the Manual of Air TrafficServices (MATS) part 1. Consequently the initiation of the BritishAirways Emergency Procedure Information Centre plan was delayed.Meanwhile the purser re-entered the flight deck and, having hookedhis arm through the seat belts of the fourth crew member jumpseat which was located behind the left-hand pilot's seat, wasable to assist the No 3 steward in the restraint of the commander.
The two men tried to pull the commander back within the aircraftand, although they could see his head and torso through the leftDirect Vision (DV) window, the effect of the slipstream frustratedtheir efforts. The No 2 steward entered the flight deck and hewas able to relieve the No 3 steward whose arms were losing theirstrength as they suffered from frostbite and bruising from thewindscreen frame. The No 2 steward grasped the commander's rightleg, which was stuck between the cockpit coaming and the controlcolumn whilst his left leg was wedged against his seat cushion.The steward then strapped himself into the left jump seat andwas able to grasp both of the commander's legs but not beforehe had moved a further 6 to 8 inches out of the window frame.He held him by the ankles until after the aircaft had landed.
Meanwhile, the aircraft had descended to FLl00 and slowed to about150 knots(kt). The co-pilot had requested radar vectors to thenearest airport and had been turned towards Southampton Airportand eventually transferred to their approach frequency. Havingverified that there was sufficient runway length available fora landing, the co-pilot manoeuvred the aircraft onto a visualfinal approach to runway 02 and completed a successful landingand stop on the runway at 0755 hrs. The engines were shut downbut the Auxiliary Power Unit, which the co-pilot had started upduring the descent, was left running to provide electrical powerto certain aircraft systems. As soon as the aircraft came to ahalt, passengers were disembarked from the front and rear airstairswhile the airport and local fire services recovered the commanderback into the aircraft from his position half out of the windscreenframe, where he had remained throughout the descent and landing.He was taken to Southampton General Hospital suffering from bonefractures in his right arm and wrist, a broken left thumb, bruising,frostbite and shock. The other crew members and passengers weremedically examined but apart from one steward who had cuts andbruising to his arm there were no other injuries.
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[b]TL;DR[/b]
On a flight from Birmingham, England to Malaga, Spain, at FL 173, a large section of windshield fell away from the aircraft. The decompression pulled the captain out from under his seatbelt. Despite trying to hold onto the yoke, the captain was sucked out into the opening. A steward in the cockpit was able to grab hold of his legs. Another steward was able to strap himself into the vacant seat and aid in holding onto the captain's legs. The copilot wearing full restraints made an emergency landing at Southampton. The captain remained half way out of the aircraft for 15 minutes and suffered only frostbite and some fractures. Improper bolts used to replace the windshield two days earlier resulted in the accident.
Just the wrong sized bolts caused the window to blow out, suck the pilot out, and suck the Flight Deck's Door off its fucking hinges, and that was just at 17,000 feet
Also, that pilot still flies. Explosive Decompression happens. An Aircraft at those altitudes is like a Reverse-Submarine.
Whats the closest you can get 9/11 in scandinavia? Crash into the turning torso?
Give those people a pat on the bag, tip of the hat and 300$ each for their achievement.
"Counter-terrorists win".
The man who overpowered him is a Norwegian named Dag Gjertstad and he is a close friend of one of my dad's friends. Here's an article with his version of the story: [url]http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aftenposten.no%2Fnyheter%2Farticle3975619.ece&act=url[/url]
Even though he regrets what he did, I find it extremely cool that he said "There's someone behind you!" before tackling him.
EDIT: Damn you, Spetzaz!
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;27227113]Honestly, I think putting armed TSA Agents on the actual airplanes would be more effective than tons of security at the entrance.[/QUOTE]
TSA agents are fucking idiots. Get rid of them and put more Air Marshals on board.
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