[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;32208778]Yeah, humans will always be necessary in the job market. Not until we do create those advanced AIs will this stop being true. And once we get those, the cost for goods basically disappears.[/QUOTE]
At that point we could abandon Capitalism and move onto some new system.
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;32208850]At that point we could abandon Capitalism and move onto some new system.[/QUOTE]I was actually going to bring that up but decided against it. We'd basically turn in to a hedonistic society.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;32208864]I was actually going to bring that up but decided against it. We'd basically turn in to a hedonistic society.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I got the idea from Cory Doctorow's book Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom, where basically everything is free and they moved out of Capitalism, and they have a totally different system. It's really interesting.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whuffie[/url]
And to add on to that, the people in the book are trans-humans who are basically identical to modern humans except that they have a brain implant that allows them a HUD and direct access to the Internet at all times.
The worst part about this is that no-one actually knows what they're talking about, it's all speculation and poor science fiction that's almost painful to watch.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32206496]
I would say human reproduction is far from natural as it is[/QUOTE]
wh
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32208961]wh
at[/QUOTE]Considering all the drugs, procedures, and tools used in the process of producing a child, yeah.
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;32208905]Actually, I got the idea from Cory Doctorow's book Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom, where basically everything is free and they moved out of Capitalism, and they have a totally different system. It's really interesting.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whuffie[/url]
And to add on to that, the people in the book are trans-humans who are basically identical to modern humans except that they have a brain implant that allows them a HUD and direct access to the Internet at all times.[/QUOTE] There are a lot of organization trying to advocate that type of system. One of the reasons I love seeing technology advance is because as soon as labor can be taken by machines humans will be free to do whatever they want.
[QUOTE=catbarf;32208669]Don't be so sure about that- there's a huge market for bargain fashion and clothing, for example. People always want to look better than what they are, and a lot of people would jump at the chance to become beautiful and use it to advance their social station.[/QUOTE]
Which would be a strange world.
If everyone is beautiful, no one is beautiful.
It'd be great
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;32204503]My ironman you sure have something against hiveminds.[/QUOTE]
Thing is i'm not too fond of losing my individuality, and the thought of a hive mind also implies shared thoughts and consciousness, both of which make me feel uneasy since everybody needs something to keep to theirselves. Even if the hive mind has no shared consciousness, the thought of an outside influence rummaging through my mental luggage is an unsettling one; it's like knowing there's spyware on your machine.
Personally i'm ok with manually making statements like posts, so a basic hive mind based around a message board would be ok, and I guess controlled peer-to-peer exchanges would also be acceptable if you knew and trusted the guy on the other end of the connection. But the sheer thought of your thoughts being automatically shared without prior proper formulation and knowing that you're doing it, it's almost like your roommate rifling through your letters, an intrusion of privacy, or if you were drunkenly blurting out your secrets, which is pretty foolish.
I'm ok with sharing what I want to share, as well as sharing more sensitive info with those I trust, but i'm not ok with sharing absolutely everything else freely, especially if it's weird enough for people not to understand and assume it's something bad.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;32209013]Considering all the drugs, procedures, and tools used in the process of producing a child, yeah.[/QUOTE]
those are all natural things
We should be cloning organs instead of making mechanical augmentation.
[QUOTE=BCell;32211487]We should be cloning organs instead of making mechanical augmentation.[/QUOTE]
Or make mechanical organs that work more efficient
[QUOTE=ironman17;32210928]Thing is i'm not too fond of losing my individuality, and the thought of a hive mind also implies shared thoughts and consciousness, both of which make me feel uneasy since everybody needs something to keep to theirselves. Even if the hive mind has no shared consciousness, the thought of an outside influence rummaging through my mental luggage is an unsettling one; it's like knowing there's spyware on your machine.
Personally i'm ok with manually making statements like posts, so a basic hive mind based around a message board would be ok, and I guess controlled peer-to-peer exchanges would also be acceptable if you knew and trusted the guy on the other end of the connection. But the sheer thought of your thoughts being automatically shared without prior proper formulation and knowing that you're doing it, it's almost like your roommate rifling through your letters, an intrusion of privacy, or if you were drunkenly blurting out your secrets, which is pretty foolish.
I'm ok with sharing what I want to share, as well as sharing more sensitive info with those I trust, but i'm not ok with sharing absolutely everything else freely, especially if it's weird enough for people not to understand and assume it's something bad.[/QUOTE]
thing is, not all cultures share the view that individualism is important
there will eventually be a hivemind, somewhere.
These kind of people both disgust and terrify me. The last thing i want to see are humans being "enhanced", taking away emotions and being made 'immortal'.
Nothing good will come out of it.
I don't see the logistics of how we could even contain people who are immortal.
Eventually there would just be no ability to properly house or shelter people. We would literally run out of room.
[QUOTE=Zah;32212801]These kind of people both disgust and terrify me. The last thing i want to see are humans being "enhanced", taking away emotions and being made 'immortal'.
Nothing good will come out of it.[/QUOTE]
If you think augmentation necessarily entails losing emotions and becoming a cyber-zombie, you've been watching too much sci-fi.
[QUOTE=Zah;32212801]These kind of people both disgust and terrify me. The last thing i want to see are humans being "enhanced", taking away emotions and being made 'immortal'.
Nothing good will come out of it.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between augmentation a la Deus Ex and complete robotification.
Real augmentation is something I hope to see in my lifetime, as mass space exploration seems to be too far off. Who knows, maybe our generation will never have to be stuck in a bed when we get old.
[QUOTE=Reimu;32212934]I don't see the logistics of how we could even contain people who are immortal.
Eventually there would just be no ability to properly house or shelter people. We would literally run out of room.[/QUOTE]
That's why there would probably be limits on having children, if having children is allowed at all.
"If you want to get a glimpse of the experiments taking place that will remind you of "The Island of Dr. Moreau," I suggest you get a copy of a new video that introduces the brave new world of trans-humanism."
He's got ten seconds before I add him to the list of NSF casualties.
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[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;32213889]That's why there would probably be limits on having children, if having children is allowed at all.[/QUOTE]
I would rather refuse immortality than be denied a basic human right.
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;32214119]"If you want to get a glimpse of the experiments taking place that will remind you of "The Island of Dr. Moreau," I suggest you get a copy of a new video that introduces the brave new world of trans-humanism."
He's got ten seconds before I add him to the list of NSF casualties.
[editline]10th September 2011[/editline]
I would rather refuse immortality than be denied a basic human right.[/QUOTE]
It's been more than ten seconds:
[quote]
"One of the first things that President Obama did at the executive level as soon as he became president," he says in "Trans-Humanism," "[is] he overturned restrictions that had been put in place by President [George W.] Bush which would have prohibited federal dollars, American taxpayer money, flowing in to pay for experiments to be done on human-animal chimeras (combinations) and other forms of science such as stem-cell sciences – which is also important to the trans-humanist movement.
"But what most of the public doesn't realize is when we're talking about stem-cell sciences, we're almost always talking about the creation of a human-animal chimera from which those stem cells are being derived. But now, tax dollars in the United States from the federal level are flowing into thousands of laboratories."
[/quote]
What the hell?
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;32213889]That's why there would probably be limits on having children, if having children is allowed at all.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure that it's right to let children be limited for the sake of the older generations.
Besides, if emotions and human thought aren't tempered with, the culture found in the older generations could easily halt younger generations trying to make scientific advances. Every generation's version of "progress" isn't as progressive as the last's. Even the truly forward thinkers can only see so far into the future. If immortality existed, and our mind wasn't tampered with, can you imagine how the ideas of older generations could greatly impair newer? Old people die off; immortal old people wouldn't. Their ideas and numbers would still remain as strong as ever.
Progress could literally halt, or at the very least come to a crawl. Either that, or our culture would never progressively change, which is just as bad.
Anti-transhumanism polemic is so dumb.
On a slightly related note, imagine of Michelle Bachmann could live forever.
Just think about it.
[QUOTE=Zah;32212801]These kind of people both disgust and terrify me. The last thing i want to see are humans being "enhanced", taking away emotions and being made 'immortal'.
Nothing good will come out of it.[/QUOTE]
have fun limiting the living shit out of yourself
Just because you don't enhance your life doesn't mean you're 100% disadvantaging yourself.
The Amish don't have the benefit of technology, but most of them get along just fine.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32211289]those are all natural things[/QUOTE] Yea everything is natural but I was talking about how JumpinJackFlash was using natural. Using technology to help human reproduction is something we have been doing for years.
[editline]10th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Reimu;32212934]I don't see the logistics of how we could even contain people who are immortal.
Eventually there would just be no ability to properly house or shelter people. We would literally run out of room.[/QUOTE] If they can't die let them live on mars.
The only thing that troubles me is if this takes the wrong turn and we actually enslave ourselves and actually become robots-
..errr I don't even know... This just doesn't sounds like the best idea. An arm or something just because it was actually needed? Sure. But tampering with just about every inch of the body just because?? Seems a bit too risky.
I can't help to feel that we will hit a wall we can't break through and then we can't go back and end up doing a huge mistake that we can't correct.
Also, can a machine feel real love?...
Sappy me.
[QUOTE=dass;32217147]The only thing that troubles me is if this takes the wrong turn and we actually enslave ourselves and actually become robots-
..errr I don't even know... This just doesn't sounds like the best idea. An arm or something just because it was actually needed? Sure. But tampering with just about every inch of the body just because?? Seems a bit too risky.
I can't help to feel that we will hit a wall we can't break through and then we can't go back and end up doing a huge mistake that we can't correct.
Also, can a machine feel real love?...
Sappy me.[/QUOTE]
Uh..I don't think you actually understand trans-humanism
[QUOTE=Reimu;32212934]I don't see the logistics of how we could even contain people who are immortal.
Eventually there would just be no ability to properly house or shelter people. We would literally run out of room.[/QUOTE]
You underestimate the things minds like Einstein and Newton could accomplish were they given unlimited time.
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