As a singularitarian, I find it funny how the imbeciles think this could be bad.
As dass posted earlier, about how augs in the DX universe get paid better and get better jobs, let's say in construction, who would you rather hire, a strong guy or a weakling that can't even lift like 10 kilos, this wouldn't change anything except it would allow people with bad genes to do jobs like that, and since we don't need that drug in real life, it would be way cheaper too.
The human body has so many faults we could easily fix with technology, but religion and moronic politicians are holding us back.
In closing:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hKG5l_TDU8[/media]
[QUOTE=Crimor;32234942]and since we don't need that drug in real life, it would be way cheaper too.[/QUOTE]
Let's not jump the gun here- the human body does not take kindly to having bits of metal rammed in it. Anti-rejection drugs, or neurochemical cocktails to ensure nervous compatibility, could be needed.
The thing about "augmentation" is that it's a very challenging thing.
As said before, how would we know if we're still "human?"
It makes us question what it means to be human.
Are you human if you were to upload your mind into the body of a robot? What if you became part of a hivemind? If you change your mind are you still human?
I am ready for my augmentation.
I asked for this.
Oh not again, I thought we were done with the Deus Ex references
[QUOTE=catbarf;32235448]Let's not jump the gun here- the human body does not take kindly to having bits of metal rammed in it. Anti-rejection drugs, or neurochemical cocktails to ensure nervous compatibility, could be needed.[/QUOTE] Worst case scenario all it really takes it immunosuppressants and blood thinners, unless whatever you implanted is toxic.
[QUOTE=Broseidon;32235708]I asked for this.[/QUOTE]
you can start with a box
[QUOTE=catbarf;32235448]Let's not jump the gun here- the human body does not take kindly to having bits of metal rammed in it. Anti-rejection drugs, or neurochemical cocktails to ensure nervous compatibility, could be needed.[/QUOTE]
You're forgetting that there's millions of people already with metal and other stuff inside them, like metal plates in the skull, leg, etc, in your teeth, subdermal implants(even though they look ugly imo), etc
[QUOTE=Crimor;32236116]You're forgetting that there's millions of people already with metal and other stuff inside them, like metal plates in the skull, leg, etc, in your teeth, subdermal implants(even though they look ugly imo), etc[/QUOTE]Plus if a component is going to cause problems you can always encase it in silicone or something similar.
WingNutDaily, somehow I'm not surprised. They are an endless source of stupid and annoying albeit extremely hilarious shit on the internet. :v:
[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;32231983]But suppose they don't want to be involved in arts and sciences? Who will employ them?[/QUOTE] We are talking about a future without money so I don't think anyone would care if the got a human to work for free in there work force. Even though I don't think jobs like screwing in bottle caps will be popular if no one has to do it. Probably only the creative things which man could greatly help with would be left life making new foods, inventing stuff or teaching and I don't think anyone wants to really do anything that involves hard labor for no reason.
[QUOTE=cccritical;32224686]I never really understood the reasoning for anti-aug hate in deus ex either
I don't see a problem with it from a religious standpoint but that seemed to be the main argument against it
you could get roped in and go broke because of having to buy the medicine stuff but 1. it's almost always a choice 2. if you lost limbs in an accident and couldn't afford nano-aug prosthetics why not just get mechanical ones 3. doubt we'd need medicine stuff if we ever came through with robot arms in real life[/QUOTE]
Don't forget people abusing their augs.
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;32235626]The thing about "augmentation" is that it's a very challenging thing.
As said before, how would we know if we're still "human?"
It makes us question what it means to be human.
Are you human if you were to upload your mind into the body of a robot? What if you became part of a hivemind? If you change your mind are you still human?[/QUOTE]
If something can't be defined or measured in any way, then what is the point in worrying about it?
And don't fucking bring up love. Just fucking don't. Love has tangible effects, it's not as mysterious as you think it is and you aren't clever if you say science can't understand it.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;32238105]Don't forget people abusing their augs.[/QUOTE]
People abuse everything, cars, drugs, food, each other, your point?
[QUOTE=catbarf;32235448]Let's not jump the gun here- the human body does not take kindly to having bits of metal rammed in it. Anti-rejection drugs, or neurochemical cocktails to ensure nervous compatibility, could be needed.[/QUOTE]So far non of the things we have been jamming into the human body has gotten rejected before so I think its unlikely are body will start rejecting things like limbs and such.
On love: [url]http://sifter.org/~simon/AfterLife/chapter_21.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Scar;32234551]Because Deus Ex = How it would be in real life[/QUOTE]
Right, because it wont happen right?
Like the organs that get rejected, right?
I said those as examples, if you actually read those bits...
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[QUOTE=Crimor;32234942]As a singularitarian, I find it funny how the imbeciles think this could be bad.
As dass posted earlier, about how augs in the DX universe get paid better and get better jobs, let's say in construction, who would you rather hire, a strong guy or a weakling that can't even lift like 10 kilos, this wouldn't change anything except it would allow people with bad genes to do jobs like that, and since we don't need that drug in real life, it would be way cheaper too.
The human body has so many faults we could easily fix with technology, but religion and moronic politicians are holding us back.
In closing:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hKG5l_TDU8[/media][/QUOTE]
And the "augs" we have aren't even good for a decent wank, let alone grab a brick.
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[QUOTE=Scar;32234643]Use nanobots to replace bone/muscle structure-> Improvement that's not visible from the outside.
You don't necessarily have to amputate limbs to improve them, you know[/QUOTE]
THAT!
I'm all for that though. As long as it doesn't has complications. I'd rather be a Denton then a Jensen, unless I was bad ass and suffered of Ineveraskedforthis Syndrome.
Now changing from meat to metal... Don't find it that nice.
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[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;32234684]Hey, thanks for that.[/QUOTE]
Goddamit, its been 2 weeks ffs...
I'm sorry but the "singularity" is pseudoscience, nothing more
it's the atheist equivalent of the rapture
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32239444]I'm sorry but the "singularity" is pseudoscience, nothing more
it's the atheist equivalent of the rapture[/QUOTE]
You realize we've already experienced advancements similar to Singularity, right?
Like the advent of the internet. Singularity simply means an advancement that is incomprehensible to previous generations. Sound familiar?
I don't understand how you think a basic, demonstrable concept can be pseudoscience.
Yeah artificial implants don't get rejected like that. The whole Neuropozene thing in Deus Ex was just a plot point, not a plausible possibility. Citing fiction when you're talking about scientific revolution is not a good idea. By that same logic we should never develop artificial intelligence because goddamn haven't you SEEN terminator?
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;32234602]ignoring the stuff where you just talk about the plotline of deus ex
i've thought this bit out too. who would find metal arms or legs or whatever sexually attractive? sure some people would but i doubt the majority would.
but, ya know, the people who are getting augs would think that through too. limb replacements would be the sort of thing that would be rare - they'd tempt people in the military, security businesses, intense heavy labour and professional sportsmen. few others would trade away their flesh and possibly their sex appeal for improved performance[/QUOTE]
I'd get robot arms for the sake of robot arms, even if I worked a desk job
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[QUOTE=Lankist;32239506]Yeah artificial implants don't get rejected like that. The whole Neuropozene thing in Deus Ex was just a plot point, not a plausible possibility. Citing fiction when you're talking about scientific revolution is not a good idea. By that same logic we should never develop artificial intelligence because goddamn haven't you SEEN terminator?[/QUOTE]
or that mission in mass effect, every AI would be a [sp]naked psychotic autistic man that's just misunderstood[/sp]
[QUOTE=Crimor;32238389]People abuse everything, cars, drugs, food, each other, your point?[/QUOTE]
Just adding onto the 'i don't get the DX aug hate' thing.
Not bashing transhumanism, just in case you were thinking.
[QUOTE=Lankist;32239506]Yeah artificial implants don't get rejected like that. The whole Neuropozene thing in Deus Ex was just a plot point, not a plausible possibility. Citing fiction when you're talking about scientific revolution is not a good idea. By that same logic we should never develop artificial intelligence because goddamn haven't you SEEN terminator?[/QUOTE]
uh they actually do get rejected. neuropozene is based on real impediments in prosthetic technology.
as for the singularity, I haven't heard the definition of it as "an advancement that is incomprehensible to previous generations."
whenever I've heard it it's described as some kind of rapture event where we create superintelligent machines that make us into gods.
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[QUOTE=Baldr 2.0;32239496]Donor ones get rejected, but artificiality created ones don't.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RMx31GnNXY[/media][/QUOTE]
there's actually evidence that even organs grown with the patient's own DNA can be rejected in some cases.
[QUOTE=Lankist;32239480]You realize we've already experienced advancements similar to Singularity, right?
Like the advent of the internet. Singularity simply means an advancement that is incomprehensible to previous generations. Sound familiar?
I don't understand how you think a basic, demonstrable concept can be pseudoscience.[/QUOTE]
Never heard that definition, and Wikipedia appears to agree with him.
(it appears to agree with BrainDamageStudios)
[quote=Wikipedia]Technological singularity refers to the hypothetical future emergence of greater-than human intelligence through technological means. Since the capabilities of such an intelligence would be difficult for an unaided human mind to comprehend, the occurrence of technological singularity is seen as an intellectual event horizon, beyond which the future becomes difficult to understand or predict. Nevertheless, proponents of the singularity typically anticipate such an event to precede an "intelligence explosion", wherein superintelligences design successive generations of increasingly powerful minds. The term was coined by science fiction writer Vernor Vinge, who argues that artificial intelligence, human biological enhancement or brain-computer interfaces could be possible causes for the singularity. The concept is popularized by futurists like Ray Kurzweil and widely expected by proponents to occur in the early to mid twenty-first century.[/quote]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity[/url]
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32239729]uh they actually do get rejected. neuropozene is based on real impediments in prosthetic technology.
[/QUOTE]
Source.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32239729]whenever I've heard it it's described as some kind of rapture event where we create superintelligent machines that make us into gods.
[/QUOTE]
I know. It's counter-productive wish fulfillment. What can one do?
-snip-
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;32239872]Source.[/QUOTE]
I thought this was well known?
Things like pacemakers and hip replacements need to be made out of titanium (biologically inert) so it doesn't get rejected by the immune system. However it isn't practical for more complex augmentations that transhumanists dream up
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;32239824]Never heard that definition, and Wikipedia appears to agree with him.
(it appears to agree with BrainDamageStudios)
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity[/url][/QUOTE]
I'm going by the definition of the guy who coined the term "technological singularity", not some wikipedia editor.
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[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32240013]I thought this was well known?
Things like pacemakers and hip replacements need to be made out of titanium (biologically inert) so it doesn't get rejected by the immune system. However it isn't practical for more complex augmentations that transhumanists dream up[/QUOTE]
You are going to have to put more weight behind those words than your own good name.
[QUOTE=Lankist;32240036]I'm going by the definition of the guy who coined the term "technological singularity", not some wikipedia editor.[/quote]
[quote]The term was coined by science fiction writer Vernor Vinge, who argues that artificial intelligence, human biological enhancement or brain-computer interfaces could be possible causes for the singularity.[/quote]
[quote=Vinge]Within thirty years, we will have the technological means to create superhuman intelligence. Shortly after, the human era will be ended.[/quote]
yeah im pretty sure the part about artificial superintelligences is integral to the singularity. also funny how you criticise us for citing deus ex in one post then believe a scifi author the next.
[QUOTE=Lankist;32240036]I'm going by the definition of the guy who coined the term "technological singularity", not some wikipedia editor.[/QUOTE]
It's not just "some wikipedia editor," there's even sources cited.
I know Wikipedia can be edited for everyone, but that doesn't mean it's not a reliable and often true source of information.
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