Cenk Uygur and Kyle Kulinski launch ‘Justice Democrats’ to counter party’s ‘corporate’ legislators
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[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51722596]When did I saw anything about white genocide?[/QUOTE]
If you can stick the landing on the mental gymnastics required to twist "The strategy is to demographically displace middle class whites. Bring in latinos and wait for the whites to die." into anything that isn't a suggestion of white genocide then I'll rescind my statement.
What does this even have to do with the thread topic
Aren't people like Pantz Master always bitching about "SJWs" bringing race into everything?
I'm pretty iffy about Cenk, but I'm pretty fine with Kyle Kulinski being one of the top guys for this project.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51722535]They don't care about them. The strategy is to demographically displace middle class whites. Bring in latinos and wait for the whites to die.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]White genocide conspiracy theory is a white nationalist conspiracy theory that mass immigration, integration, miscegenation, low fertility rates and abortion are being promoted in predominantly white countries to deliberately turn them minority-white and hence cause white people to become extinct through forced assimilation.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51722500]Yes, as is the majority of his organization. Hell, The Young Turks is the name of the political party behind said genocide iirc[/QUOTE]
Imagine if there was a left-wing news organization made up of German Americans called The Nazi Party that denies the holocaust and they had a Jew as one of the presenters.
[QUOTE=Skerion;51722627]I'm pretty iffy about Cenk, but I'm pretty fine with Kyle Kulinski being one of the top guys for this project.[/QUOTE]
From what I've read about him in the 39 minutes since this article was posted he doesn't seem too bad, but I have doubts that his anti-theistic views would go over well in contested elections should the party gain any traction. If anyone else more educated with his program/views then I'd be happy to hear your opinions.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51722643]From what I've read about him in the 39 minutes since this article was posted he doesn't seem too bad, but I have doubts that his anti-theistic views would go over well in contested elections should the party gain any traction. If anyone else more educated with his program/views then I'd be happy to hear your opinions.[/QUOTE]
I really wouldnt call kyle anti-theistic, he just thinks religion and politics should be kept separate
[QUOTE=Judas;51722687]I really wouldnt call kyle anti-theistic, he just thinks religion and politics should be kept separate[/QUOTE]
He has moved his focus away from religion in general over the past 2 years.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51722552]Why are pulling farther left and acting in the interests of the middle class in America mutually exclusive? Ideally, you could support social justice and work to alleviate poverty while still improving the standard of living for the white middle class.[/QUOTE]
Because social justice has become mutually incompatible with logic and basic reasoning. It's no longer about equality. It's about random power movements that are freely corrupted by extremists because nobody is willing to stop them.
As a white dude I cant see myself being a democrat voter if the vile hatred for me, simply because I look how I am, doesn't get out of the party. Might as well join a party that benefits me lmao.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;51722846]As a white dude I cant see myself being a democrat voter if the vile hatred for me, simply because I look how I am, doesn't get out of the party. Might as well join a party that benefits me lmao.[/QUOTE]
It's not even like the right wing benefits us either. I mean seriously. How fucked is that? A party that actively tries to shit on you is viewed as the better choice. At least they give you the courtesy of calling it rain when they piss on you.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;51722846]As a white dude I cant see myself being a democrat voter if the vile hatred for me, simply because I look how I am, doesn't get out of the party. Might as well join a party that benefits me lmao.[/QUOTE]
As of the past few days I wouldn't be so sure it benefits you.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;51722846]As a white dude I cant see myself being a democrat voter if the vile hatred for me, simply because I look how I am, doesn't get out of the party. Might as well join a party that benefits me lmao.[/QUOTE]
the economy tanking won't benefit you
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;51722724]Because social justice has become mutually incompatible with logic and basic reasoning. It's no longer about equality. It's about random power movements that are freely corrupted by extremists because nobody is willing to stop them.[/QUOTE]
We cant have a serious discussion about the lingering social justice and civil rights issues in our country if we continue to reduce either side of the debate to cartoonish extremes or make statements like "social justice has become mutually incompatible with logic and basic reasoning". It's an incredibly nuanced and complex issue that you can't boil down to three short sentences. I don't want to pretend that some of these issues don't exist within our movements but you're being reductionist.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51722885]We cant have a serious discussion about the lingering social justice and civil rights issues in our country if we continue to reduce either side of the debate to cartoonish extremes or make statements like "social justice has become mutually incompatible with logic and basic reasoning". It's an incredibly nuanced and complex issue that you can't boil down to three short sentences. I don't want to pretend that some of these issues don't exist within our movements but you're being reductionist.[/QUOTE]
I actually agree here. The social justice agenda isn't illogical. At least not in its goals and reasoning.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51722890]I actually agree here. The social justice agenda isn't illogical. At least not in its goals and reasoning.[/QUOTE]
Explain? The general "goal" of social justice is equality if you consider the non-extremists
[QUOTE=KillRay;51722910]Explain? The general "goal" of social justice is equality if you consider the non-extremists[/QUOTE]
The term "social justice" seems tainted at this point.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51722913]The term "social justice" seems tainted at this point.[/QUOTE]
yeah, in the same way nazi or alt right is in the fact that sjw is thrown at anyone whos left wing
[editline]24th January 2017[/editline]
all though as everyone loves to point out, not all right wingers are alt right just like not all left wingers are SJWS
I hope that someday, though probably passed my lifetime, the system of "winner takes all" is done away with so that the 2 parties will die with it. It's a sad state of affairs when true issues are divided among party loyalties. Maybe the Democrats could do away with the system if their rotted corporate sect is shaved off and replaced with those akin to Sanders. Maybe this movement could do it, though they'll need to get some decent news coverage on the major stations and outlets though that could be difficult.
[QUOTE=KillRay;51722932]yeah, in the same way nazi or alt right is in the fact that sjw is thrown at anyone whos left wing
[editline]24th January 2017[/editline]
all though as everyone loves to point out, not all right wingers are alt right just like not all left wingers are SJWS[/QUOTE]
Of course, its just unfortunate that the people who worked hard to earn those labels happen to be particularly loud.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51722948]Of course, its just unfortunate that the people who worked hard to earn those labels happen to be particularly loud.[/QUOTE]
people say that but its more like they get dragged out from their nobody caves and made examples of
not all members of gamergate harassed women but a few retards in youtube comments can be pointed out
Honestly since Kyle Kulinski is behind this in some part then I trust it. He's a really good guy.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51722465]I'm all for fighting against the DNC but Cenk Uygur and The Young Turks can go suck a fuck[/QUOTE]
Why all the hate toward TYT? Sure Cenk gets a bit obnoxious sometimes but honestly TYT was one of the only alternative media sources that did halfway decent coverage of the Democratic primaries.
If we get a platform to call out the corporate shills that the DNC is trying to float by us, what does it matter who's doing the organizing? Some of the candidates MSNBC brought on tonight had be wanting to stab my own eyes out. I'll take any chance I can get to put a dent in their bullshit PR campaign.
[QUOTE=mcharest;51722996]Why all the hate toward TYT? Sure Cenk gets a bit obnoxious sometimes but honestly TYT was one of the only alternative media sources that did halfway decent coverage of the Democratic primaries.
If we get a platform to call out the corporate shills that the DNC is trying to float by us, what does it matter who's doing the organizing? Some of the candidates MSNBC brought on tonight had be wanting to stab my own eyes out. I'll take any chance I can get to put a dent in their bullshit PR campaign.[/QUOTE]
I don't have a dog in this fight other than the fact that TYT (notably Cenk) are apparently Armenian Genocide deniers. If they got past that I don't know if I would have an issue with them.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51723005]I don't have a dog in this fight other than the fact that TYT (notably Cenk) are apparently Armenian Genocide deniers. If they got past that I don't know if I would have an issue with them.[/QUOTE]
As far as I know he publicly rescinded that comment, which to my understanding was more an argument over the technicalities of defining genocide than an outright denial.
But you're definitely right, it is a bit shady.
[QUOTE=mcharest;51723028]As far as I know he publicly rescinded that comment, which to my understanding was more an argument over the technicalities of defining genocide than an outright denial.
But you're definitely right, it is a bit shady.[/QUOTE]
He issued a half assed acknowledgement (in text) while still not calling it a genocide. Since then, despite tons of outcry to make a video or do a more in depth acknowledgement of it, he and almost all his staff have been silent about it. I think he really still is a denier at heart and he is too stubborn to publicly call it one. If I was him I would just bite the bullet, apologize, and fully call it a genocide regardless because it is a political nightmare.
[QUOTE=mcharest;51722996]Why all the hate toward TYT? Sure Cenk gets a bit obnoxious sometimes but honestly TYT was one of the only alternative media sources that did halfway decent coverage of the Democratic primaries.[/QUOTE]
They'll happily peddle bullshit, like "nuclear snow" on aircraft carriers, if it gives them something to feel morally riled up about.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51722631]garbage[/QUOTE]
This isn't white genocide, stop building up strawmen. He might be speaking in hyperbole but he's still essentially right
It's verifiably true that the democrats do view whites, particularly those outside the cities and thus attached to land, tradition, and homogenous communities as a reactionary and populist element they will never win over. Further, they have given up on ever winning over the white working class (they have absolutely nothing to offer them) and the white lower-middle class, as these people are not compatible with globalization. They desire national jobs for national labor that will provide easy access to the middle class and american dream like their parents had. They do not believe in competing with third world labor or having more children to sustain the welfare state and debt driven economy. They do not trust the cultural insitutions on the cutting edge of society that lend themselves to the democrats: the cities, media and Hollywood, centers of technology and finance, academia and modern civil rights groups. This has given way to a sense of culture war and a race-based zero sum game in regards to progress and the future. Our current situation of destabilization and polarization speaks for itself, the race and class issue has risen its head with the erosion of the middle class and a generation coming of age with diminished hopes of entering it. It is showing where different parts of our society fit in, and it really does seem that many (especially working class, red state) whites are deemed on the wrong side of history by a liberal leaning ruling strata.
The Democrats do pin their hopes on the death of older generations of whites and that the younger ones who went through public and secondary education under boomer teachers will be more ideologically flexible when it comes to changing needs of the nation in regards to staying competitive in the era of globalization, which means trending towards a more open society that can in turn be sold to them on the basis of being progressive and atoning for past western sins. Meanwhile, the changing face of the nation with the free flow of capital and people means a much more left wing vote, as the right is currently inclined to oppose cosmopolitanism and neoliberalism. The center-left offers a much more appropriate ideology to justify structural changes that is causing social upheaval.
Sorry, I don't think I'm inclined to rally behind a genocide denier to enact change in a political party. That sounds sorta like a bad precedent to set all things considered.
[QUOTE=Conscript;51723086]garbage designed to impress someone[/QUOTE]
It's not a strawman. He said Democrats wanted to demographically displace whites by bringing in latinos and waiting for whites to die. That's the basic groundwork of the white genocide conspiracy theory. You're overly verbose word salad has nothing to do with it. You spent altogether too many words to say "Democrats don't bother pandering to working class whites" which might be true and is an argument you can make but I think it's going quite a bit further to imply the Democrats specifically are looking to displace whites.
[editline]24th January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Conscript;51723086]The center-left offers a much more appropriate ideology to justify structural changes that is causing social upheaval.[/QUOTE]
How are you enjoying Trump's and the Republican's center-left lean so far?
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