Steam is now making game purchases untradable for 30 days
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i've been getting a lot of bots adding me, it's getting tiresome to have to manually ignore them
Don't forget that it'd require Valve to hold off payments to the developer for a set number of days you're allowed to refund, which they're probably contractually obligated to not do.
[QUOTE=confinedUser;46567937]i've been getting a lot of bots adding me, it's getting tiresome to have to manually ignore them[/QUOTE]
what does this have to do with the thread
You shouldn't need refunds if you're savvy enough about your purchases.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;46567801]I wish EA's refund policy wasn't constantly brought up as this amazing solution that everyone should be using, but they don't because clearly they are greedy or whatever, because it isn't.
EA's refund policy has an important stipulation that allows EA to offer it with minimal (at worst) costs: it only applies to games published by EA, sold by EA, on Origin. This is the best possible situation for EA, at worst they are losing the credit card processing fee and whatever the bandwidth costed because they don't have deal with any other third parties.
Thus, if Valve had a comparable policy, it would only apply to Valve games sold through Steam, which I doubt is what many people are talking about when they complain about Steam's return policy.[/QUOTE]
I never said it was the end all of refund policies. But when compared to what steam has, it is certainly better. And while I do like what EA offers, I suppose I should specify that I like it in the context of origin. If Valve did the same (only offering refunds on Valve games), it would be more insulting than what we currently have. Either way, we can both agree that Valve needs a better refund policy.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;46567954]Don't forget that it'd require Valve to hold off payments to the developer for a set number of days you're allowed to refund, which they're probably contractually obligated to not do.[/QUOTE]
If memory serves, Valve pays on a quarterly basis as it is. If that's true, then they wouldn't need to change anything.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;46568020]If memory serves, Valve pays on a quarterly basis as it is. If that's true, then they wouldn't need to change anything.[/QUOTE]
It has to be relative; someone could request a refund the day after payments are made and then it'd have to come out of valves pocket
I'm a little confused.
I normally buy games in my account, trade (give) them to my trade bot, then people can get prize codes in game so they can interact with the bot and it will trade the game to them.
Does this mean I have to wait 30 days to get the game from my account to the bot so it can be given out? Or can I just 'gift' them to the bot instead of 'trading' them? I'm not sure if gifting it places it into their inventory the same.
EDIT: And if gifting works, does that remove the 30 day restriction from the item, or will it still need to sit in the bots inventory until 30 days pass from the original purchase?
[QUOTE=wh1t3rabbit;46568487]I'm a little confused.
I normally buy games in my account, trade (give) them to my trade bot, then people can get prize codes in game so they can interact with the bot and it will trade the game to them.
Does this mean I have to wait 30 days to get the game from my account to the bot so it can be given out? Or can I just 'gift' them to the bot instead of 'trading' them? I'm not sure if gifting it places it into their inventory the same.
EDIT: And if gifting works, does that remove the 30 day restriction from the item, or will it still need to sit in the bots inventory until 30 days pass from the original purchase?[/QUOTE]
once it becomes an inventory item, it has a 30 day cooldown period i'd assume
otherwise people like you would just send to another account as a gift, and then accept the gift as an inventory item
[QUOTE=Map in a box;46568340]It has to be relative; someone could request a refund the day after payments are made and then it'd have to come out of valves pocket[/QUOTE]
It'd come out of Valve's pocket, and then deducted from the next quarter's payment to the developer.
Can I still give it directly as a gift or does this only happen when it's in your inventory?
[QUOTE=Tobin;46569107]Can I still give it directly as a gift or does this only happen when it's in your inventory?[/QUOTE]
Reread the first line in the OP article quote again.
Now add something like Origin's great game guarantee volvo
Welp, no more russian copies of games for half price.
Their reasons for doing this are atrocious. Why not [B]only[/B] apply it to users purchasing games with a new payment method, then? This only hinders honest traders. :V
[QUOTE=reevezy67;46569283]Welp, no more russian copies of games for half price.[/QUOTE]
Why? Surely they can still buy it cheap, wait 30 days and then sell it?
So instead of trading, they'll just gift now? How does this exactly change things..?
[editline]25th November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;46568507]once it becomes an inventory item, it has a 30 day cooldown period i'd assume
otherwise people like you would just send to another account as a gift, and then accept the gift as an inventory item[/QUOTE]
ah
about time, chargeback fraud is the worst case
I remember losing Blackops from my steam inventory back in the days.
I purchased it with some TF2 keys, installed it, played for 2 days. When I logged in once again, the game was gone.
The seller was nowhere to be found, so I got ownd.
Anyway, they should implement this rule only for paypal/CC purchases.
I throw money at my steam wallet using paysafecard, and the payments are instant.
30 days is a dumb rule.
It's gonna totally fuck up my GTA5 purchase (+ season pass), unless Rockstar manages to update the steam page with some prices, by Christmas.
This isn't to protect people trading but to protect game sales.
I never got fucked with trading, some people might have but I do not believe that it is that wide spread considering I have bought quite a few games. Most of the times, if the person has a big account+some rep or something like that, you can be almost sure that it is a not a scammer. I never got fucked using thinking.
The only time I get frauded was with an humble bundle.
[QUOTE=Valiantttt;46569881]...
Most of the times, if the person has a big account+some rep or something like that, you can be almost sure that it is a not a scammer
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That was what I thought.
High rep on sourceop (some Ukrainian dude with lots of trades) was the seller, but his method of payment must have screwed him over, and thus me.
I'm not dissing Russian/Ukrainians, but let's be realistic.
Their prices (and Brasilian's) are the cheapest on steam, they make a profit via gift/key marketing.
[QUOTE=Dr. Haxx;46569924]That was what I thought.
High rep on sourceop (some Ukrainian dude with lots of trades) was the seller, but his method of payment must have screwed him over, and thus me.
I'm not dissing Russian/Ukrainians, but let's be realistic.
Their prices (and Brasilian's) are the cheapest on steam, they make a profit via gift/key marketing.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I do understand where Valve is coming from, even if they do fuck over some people(like me). And my personal experience is definitely not 100% accurate, I do also often buy from the same people where I can.
It will still be easy to get preorders though. for reduced prices.
The only time I was scammed was when I bought a game with expensive tf2 stuff and gifted it for a friend's birthday, just for it to be revoked due to the invalid payment methods. This solution is unwieldy, but it will prevent accidents like that.
[QUOTE=Jsm;46567177]For people who happen to live in the EU refunds are entirely possible (and somewhat easy) due to EU consumer protection law.[/QUOTE]
I've heard several claims of being banned due to citing EU consumer protection law for a refund.
Valve holds the right to terminate your account for any reason they wish, after all.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;46567205]Ah, well as an american, I'm not afforded such a luxury.[/QUOTE]
Are u sure? Can't u just go to your banking service provider and ask them to draw the money back? Which would of course not make Gaben happy, but customer's wishes..
rip buying games for half their price in tf2 items
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46570116]Are u sure? Can't u just go to your banking service provider and ask them to draw the money back? Which would of course not make Gaben happy, but customer's wishes..[/QUOTE]
Valve considers customer-initiated chargebacks they didn't authorize as fraud and you risk your Steam account being terminated along with everything on it.
"Customer's wishes" don't apply when you buy something and then have the money pulled back. Yeah, you could take it to court and have a chance at winning over that $60 game, but you sacrificed your entire Steam library for it.
This sounds like a necessary evil honestly.
People who cancelled payments for games for this shit ruined it for everyone.
How the fuck does this work with 4packs.
[QUOTE=Darkimmortal;46566867]Pretty sure it's actually to hinder sites like Kinguin[/QUOTE]
I don't see how it hinders them, they are stopping it from being traded, but kinguin sells gifts, as in you click a link and receive the gift, that doesn't have the 30 day limit.
[editline]25th November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Crimor;46570507]How the fuck does this work with 4packs.[/QUOTE]
You gift the packs instead of trading it.
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