The FBI can't find any Programmers to fight Cyber Crime . Zero Tolerance Policy. All Programmers are
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[QUOTE=dbk21894;44876968]tbh people who constantly bitch and moan about legalizing weed are some of the most intolerable human beings on this planet[/QUOTE]
That is some hyperbolic stuff right there.
Some of the most intolerable people on this planet. [i]THE WHOLE PLANET. [b]THE ENTIRETY OF HUMANITY AS IT HAS EXISTED FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS.[/i][/b] People who want to legalize weed are in your top 5. That's intense man.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;44881180]I agreed with you up until that point. I don't like my programming to be determined by caffeine, alcohol, or weed. I can program extremely well if I get proper rest and food.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, the dude's pretty right. I've found some really simple solutions to complicated problems while high
on the topic of the thread, this is actually cool if they ever do change policy. That's literally the 1 thing keeping me from being in the FBI :v:
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;44881707]I dunno, the dude's pretty right. I've found some really simple solutions to complicated problems while high
on the topic of the thread, this is actually cool if they ever do change policy. That's literally the 1 thing keeping me from being in the FBI :v:[/QUOTE]
The director of the FBI says apply for the cyber crime unit even if you smoke weed. Reread the OP. So you might as well try and if you're up to snuff in every other aspect but the weed part, you'll probably have a good shot. They really do need cyber guys who are knowledgeable, not just in programming. One of my parents and a cousin are in the FBI, with my parent going on 25 years in the bureau. If you have the skills, apply.
Weed won't hold you back. Lack of motivation will.
A sidenote, I do believe you need a college degree, however, I'm not sure if having qualifications in the computer science field outside of college would suffice instead of a degree. I'd definitely look into it since it would be a damn exciting job and I know the guys who do it love it.
[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;44881662]That is some hyperbolic stuff right there.
Some of the most intolerable people on this planet. [i]THE WHOLE PLANET. [b]THE ENTIRETY OF HUMANITY AS IT HAS EXISTED FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS.[/i][/b] People who want to legalize weed are in your top 5. That's intense man.[/QUOTE]
you're blowing what he said way out of proportion
Christ you guys, I'm pro-legalization but I recognize that members of my group [I]can[/I] be absolutely ridiculous about it.
[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;44878757][B]The people that bitch and whine about the legalize weed are so much worse than those who would rather it remain illegal.[/B] 'anti-drug drones' Yeah, fuck those guys with their Penicillin and Ibuprofen. Aren't those paracetamol fags just the worst? Yeah, maybe next time, try defining the drug.[/QUOTE]Why is that? Just what are you getting at with the rest of your post anyway?
[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;44881662]That is some hyperbolic stuff right there.
Some of the most intolerable people on this planet. [i]THE WHOLE PLANET. [b]THE ENTIRETY OF HUMANITY AS IT HAS EXISTED FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS.[/i][/b] People who want to legalize weed are in your top 5. That's intense man.[/QUOTE]I feel like you're proving his point.
[QUOTE=plunger435;44882538]I feel like you're proving his point.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how
How are people who want to have their recreational activity legal even possibly be in the group of the most intolerable people? how exactly? it's not exactly a rational statement.
[QUOTE=dbk21894;44876968]almost any government agency will have that rule
it's why I've never touched weed
even in states where it's legal you can't work for a gov. agency without agreeing to not use it
the "just legalize it then" argument is stupid, the FBI can't legalize anything
[B]tbh people who constantly bitch and moan about legalizing weed are some of the most intolerable human beings on this planet[/B]
like seriously shut the fuck up already omg[/QUOTE]
You have neo-nazis, African war-lords who decimate entire villages, dictators who enslave entire nations, mass murderers who kidnap and eat children, corrupt politicians who make money off of unjust laws which harm millions, paedophiles who do unspeakable things to children, kidnappers, robbers, thieves, rapists, violent criminals, gang members, cartels, etc, etc, all populating this horrible, giant ball of hate that we call human society-
-and in spite of all of them, you find people who passionately discuss an issue which affects them and their country to be some of "the most intolerable human beings on this planet". A planet which, again, is populated with millions upon millions of those mentioned above, and many others just as bad.
Can I throw up in your mouth? Please?
im a better programmer than fatfatfatty and i smoke a lot of weed
the fbi isn't going to convince anyone to work for them with the salaries they offer. contractors/private sector is the way to go, even if you're a really mediocre programmer.
Yeah I wonder why anybody would get worked up about the fact that we're not allowed to make a choice whether we want to smoke a fucking plant (And are judged harshly by people who have no experience with it and feel like they can decide what's best for [B]ME[/B]) while things like alcohol and cigarettes are absolutely fine and are accepted.
well, pot makes you very concentrated on the task at hand, and can make even the most menial of tasks fun.
In moderate amounts, of course. If you're stoned out of your mind you ain't gonna code shit.
[QUOTE=HeatPipe;44881081]Wrong on so many levels.
Yes but you make 10x more mistakes and need to fix shit after you sober up
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Not really, unless you're downing a bottle of gin or something. A couple of beers or a mixed drink or two actually makes it easier.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;44883312]Not really, unless you're downing a bottle of gin or something. A couple of beers or a mixed drink or two actually makes it easier.[/QUOTE]
How?
Legalize weed for programmers. It'll be like peyote for Native Americans. Exclusive
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;44883418]How?[/QUOTE]
For me I get a bit more focused after a beer or two, I also am more likely to roll with an idea I have instead of over thinking a situation and missing the solution completely.
I can see the code, maaaaan...
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44876975]Isn't it impossible to program without weed?[/QUOTE]
i program without weed/caffine
[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;44883730]i program without weed/caffine[/QUOTE]
Good for you,
i can also write Hello World without weed and caffeine
[QUOTE=Intense Funkid;44876939]I'd understand not hiring because someone decided to get high right before the interview, that's extremely unprofessional. if its just because they smoke pot in general, then its pretty dumb.[/QUOTE]
In some circumstances I could see it being acceptable, and this is coming from a hiring manager.
i.e. if the prospect of an interview (ESPECIALLY a government one) makes you super nervous and you can't stop the flop sweat or it doesn't allow you to speak properly (stuttering, stammering, lots of 'um' and 'uh') then yeah sure maybe smoke a LITTLE to calm you down.
It's a better alternative to other drugs used for the same purpose that's for sure.
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[QUOTE=Mango;44877022]Yeah, it used to calm me too. Then I started hearing stuff, and became delusional. Started taking other drugs, ended up taking amphetamines and strong benzodiasepines almost daily. Now however, after treatment, I ain't fixed, but I'm working on it. [/QUOTE]
That isn't weed's fault. That's your fault for having really shite self control
[QUOTE=Telepethi;44887166]In some circumstances I could see it being acceptable, and this is coming from a hiring manager.
i.e. if the prospect of an interview (ESPECIALLY a government one) makes you super nervous and you can't stop the flop sweat or it doesn't allow you to speak properly (stuttering, stammering, lots of 'um' and 'uh') then yeah sure maybe smoke a LITTLE to calm you down.
It's a better alternative to other drugs used for the same purpose that's for sure.
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That isn't weed's fault. That's your fault for having really shite self control[/QUOTE]
If you're that nervous going to an interview, how would you ever be able to interact with a suspect or witness without getting high? How would you present your findings to a court without being high? Something like that needs to be solved without weed/drugs/alcohol, or else you probably aren't cut out for that job.
Making pizzas high, not so big of a deal, don't just eat [I]too[/I] many toppings when no one is looking.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;44889113]If you're that nervous going to an interview, how would you ever be able to interact with a suspect or witness without getting high? How would you present your findings to a court without being high? Something like that needs to be solved without weed/drugs/alcohol, or else you probably aren't cut out for that job.
Making pizzas high, not so big of a deal, don't just eat [I]too[/I] many toppings when no one is looking.[/QUOTE]
You equate "being high" with "being unable to function to your fullest extent". This is something a simple coordination test or a test of your ability to do your job while on your prescribed medication or even drug of choice can fix.
There are people who cannot function without medication to treat a myriad of problems both mental and physical. Many of these drugs, namely benzodiazepines, amphetamine or methylphenidate, are very commonly prescribed in the US and are not considered a problem at all in the work place. They are just as, if not more intoxicating than cannabis. The people who are prescribed these drugs for anxiety, ADHD, fatigue, etc, are still able to perform their jobs and are allowed to do so while under the influence of these drugs because the effects of these drugs temporarily cure or treat ailments which are prevalent in their day-to-day, sober life. There is no reason cannabis should be any exception.
At a recent NORML conference I attended, I smoked with quite a few lawyers with medical cannabis licenses (even a couple without), and they were all highly intelligent and thoughtful people whom I wouldn't hesitate to trust their ability to perform their job to the fullest, even stoned out of their mind.
It's not unusual at all; actually it's a well known fact that even some of the most popular writers were using drugs when writing their novels or w.e.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;44889306]You equate "being high" with "being unable to function to your fullest extent". This is something a simple coordination test or a test of your ability to do your job while on your prescribed medication or even drug of choice can fix.
There are people who cannot function without medication to treat a myriad of problems both mental and physical. Many of these drugs, namely benzodiazepines, amphetamine or methylphenidate, are very commonly prescribed in the US and are not considered a problem at all in the work place. They are just as, if not more intoxicating than cannabis. The people who are prescribed these drugs for anxiety, ADHD, fatigue, etc, are still able to perform their jobs and are allowed to do so while under the influence of these drugs because the effects of these drugs temporarily cure or treat ailments which are prevalent in their day-to-day, sober life. There is no reason cannabis should be any exception.
At a recent NORML conference I attended, I smoked with quite a few lawyers with medical cannabis licenses (even a couple without), and they were all highly intelligent and thoughtful people whom I wouldn't hesitate to trust their ability to perform their job to the fullest, even stoned out of their mind.[/QUOTE]
That's great, but I didn't say you couldn't function while high, I'm saying that if you have that level of anxiety that you can't control yourself without drugs, I really don't think federal law enforcement is your career path.
If you like to smoke weed because you like to smoke weed, go for it! The director even said to apply.
I'll admit the making pizzas high thing wasnt helpful to my initial statement, but I wasn't trying to say you can't function while high, more that someone with horrible anxiety probably isnt cut out for conducting investigations and interviewing unknown, potentially dangerous people. Let alone going through the three month boot camp at the FBI academy in Quantico.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;44889541]That's great, but I didn't say you couldn't function while high, I'm saying that if you have that level of anxiety that you can't control yourself without drugs, I really don't think federal law enforcement is your career path.
If you like to smoke weed because you like to smoke weed, go for it! The director even said to apply.
I'll admit the making pizzas high thing wasnt helpful to my initial statement, but I wasn't trying to say you can't function while high, more that someone with horrible anxiety probably isnt cut out for conducting investigations and interviewing unknown, potentially dangerous people. Let alone going through the three month boot camp at the FBI academy in Quantico.[/QUOTE]
putting it this way makes your original post make a lot more sense actually.
law enforcement probably isn't the best career for people who have anxiety period, but a programmer for the FBI is unlikely to be in "law enforcement" so much as "IT" or something similar.
[QUOTE=dbk21894;44876968]almost any government agency will have that rule
it's why I've never touched weed
even in states where it's legal you can't work for a gov. agency without agreeing to not use it
the "just legalize it then" argument is stupid, the FBI can't legalize anything
tbh people who constantly bitch and moan about legalizing weed are some of the most intolerable human beings on this planet
like seriously shut the fuck up already omg[/QUOTE]
GOD FORBID I smoke weed and also be a functioning member of society! It's a weird world when an alcoholic can freely get a job, but some dude who smoked weed 3 years ago is not allowed.
[QUOTE=dbk21894;44876968]almost any government agency will have that rule
it's why I've never touched weed
even in states where it's legal you can't work for a gov. agency without agreeing to not use it
the "just legalize it then" argument is stupid, the FBI can't legalize anything
tbh people who constantly bitch and moan about legalizing weed are some of the most intolerable human beings on this planet
like seriously shut the fuck up already omg[/QUOTE]
Yeah man everyone who wants weed legalized is just some hippy stoner STFU OMG right?
except a lot of us don't even use weed and want it legalized to end one of the worst human rights abuses in us history, the imprisonment of millions of people for tens of millions of years combined for simply possessing plant material.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;44889541]That's great, but I didn't say you couldn't function while high, I'm saying that if you have that level of anxiety that you can't control yourself without drugs, I really don't think federal law enforcement is your career path.
If you like to smoke weed because you like to smoke weed, go for it! The director even said to apply.
I'll admit the making pizzas high thing wasnt helpful to my initial statement, but I wasn't trying to say you can't function while high, more that someone with horrible anxiety probably isnt cut out for conducting investigations and interviewing unknown, potentially dangerous people. Let alone going through the three month boot camp at the FBI academy in Quantico.[/QUOTE]
As someone who has been diagnosed with OCD, you're partially right and partially wrong. Mental illnesses like this certainly wouldn't make you unfit for law enforcement, but there are times where during flare-ups it would make your job very hard to do. The thing is you could say the thing about a myriad of physical conditions that many law enforcement officers have. People with anxiety are generally not CONSTANTLY uncontrollably nervous.
Anxiety for me manifests often about small details, how my hair falls, the fit of my shirt. Very silly/annoying things that would be annoyances to normal people become almost paralyzing to me sometimes. This is often accompanied with a compulsion, like if acne is stressing me out I will pick it (yes I know this is very bad). These are just small things, but during major episodes I will become obsessed with the idea I have some illness/disorder/am going to die. These things are distracting and often hard to deal with sure, but they certainly do not make me unemployable and in all but the worst cases these things do not consume one's entire life.
tl;dr - Most people with mental illness are not unfit for work in most fields.
[QUOTE=dbk21894;44876968]almost any government agency will have that rule
it's why I've never touched weed
even in states where it's legal you can't work for a gov. agency without agreeing to not use it
the "just legalize it then" argument is stupid, the FBI can't legalize anything
tbh people who constantly bitch and moan about legalizing weed are some of the most intolerable human beings on this planet
like seriously shut the fuck up already omg[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but when an opinion as atrocious as this gets so many agrees it's so hilarious. Its not that the opinion is even "wrong" but it is so generalized and and unfounded that it's almost insulting.
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44876947]Some people can't relax without smoking weed
[sp]Most dumbs I've ever had, not sure if I should consider than an achievement[/sp][/QUOTE]
Weed shouldn't be used to relax.
Weed should be used to enhance relaxation you're already in.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;44889113]Making pizzas high, not so big of a deal, don't just eat [I]too[/I] many toppings when no one is looking.[/QUOTE]
Dude I don't even smoke pot and I fill up on toppings before the pizzas are even cooked when I make them at home.
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