Why I Feel Bad for the Pepper-Spraying Policeman, Lt. John Pike - Polidicks

I mean, the police were well within their rights to take action and get the kids out of there, since it was indeed private property. I don't think that's what the debate is about. The fact that the guy instantly started spraying them down with pepperspray is the big issue. That's never supposed to be your first instinct as a cop. If someone doesn't listen to you, you repeat yourself, and try to force them to move with your hands. I mean holy shit, cops are trained to hurt people as a last resort, not as a first resort. If you condone of this kind of behavior and brutality from the police, you must think the world in the novel '1984' seems like a great place to live.

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;33395877]What the fuck I guarantee you, NO WHERE in his training was he ever lead to believe it's okay to fucking blast pepper spray into the faces of non violent, sitting protestors. Stop this shit. He's not a victim of "the system" he's just a fucking idiot who happens to be a police officer, and made an idiotic decision in the heat of the moment. Plenty of cops do their job professionally to a T, what system are they victims of?[/QUOTE] A flawed police system if anything, the UK has always had a system of minimal policing and it's worked absolutely fine compared to other countries.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;33396429]Man you have got to tell me what drugs you're taking and where you get your news from. I want to know how you see what you see.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0yMDxf7Sz4[/media] They were warned. I'm not saying that this was done right, or that there's some justification to this. But I want you to know, no matter how little it matters to them or anyone else, that they were, in fact, [B]warned.[/B] [editline]30th November 2011[/editline] Sorry tags don't work at all.

California police systems are seriously hypocritical. I know, I live here. Shit like this happens to actual criminals, and nobody gives a shit. If the police taze, pepperspray, or tackle pretty much anyone who is causing a problem, there's no real complaints, because that kind of brutal bullshit is keeping us safe :downs:. The instant it happens to some protestors, though, all of a sudden we all give a shit. Hey, Californians, we shouldn't be letting our police do that kind of stuff when its unneeded in the [I]first place,[/I] not just when it happens to protestors.

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;33504615][video=youtube;H0yMDxf7Sz4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H0yMDxf7Sz4[/video] They were warned. I'm not saying that this was done right, or that there's some justification to this. But I want you to know, no matter how little it matters to them or anyone else, that they were, in fact, [B]warned.[/B] [editline]30th November 2011[/editline] Sorry tags don't work at all.[/QUOTE] So just how legally binding is a police warning?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33504672]So just how legally binding is a police warning?[/QUOTE] It isn't. I'm not saying what he did was right, I'm just saying that they recieved a warning and it was their choice to stay.

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;33504740]It isn't. I'm not saying what he did was right, I'm just saying that they recieved a warning and it was their choice to stay.[/QUOTE] If I were to say to you "I will punch you in the face if you continue to sit where you are sitting", and you did not immediately move, would you say it is your fault if I punched you in the face? Or would you say it is assault?

[QUOTE=DarkendSky;33504661]California police systems are seriously hypocritical. I know, I live here. Shit like this happens to actual criminals, and nobody gives a shit. If the police taze, pepperspray, or tackle pretty much anyone who is causing a problem, there's no real complaints, because that kind of brutal bullshit is keeping us safe :downs:. The instant it happens to some protestors, though, all of a sudden we all give a shit. Hey, Californians, we shouldn't be letting our police do that kind of stuff when its unneeded in the [I]first place,[/I] not just when it happens to protestors.[/QUOTE] Hearing what Henry Rollins said he had to deal with back in the day with regards to Californian police, it does sound a little rough around the edges

Claiming that the end result is down to sociological shaping of a person is sort of an easy way out. Although it may not be wrong, it's also very easy to say. The fact is this man had the choice of pulling the sprays trigger. He chose to. He should be vilified. [editline]30th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DarkendSky;33504661]Shit like this happens to actual criminals, and nobody gives a shit. If the police taze, pepperspray, or tackle pretty much anyone who is causing a problem, there's no real complaints, because that kind of brutal bullshit is keeping us safe :downs:. The instant it happens to some protestors, though, all of a sudden we all give a shit.[/QUOTE] Much of the force used on 'actual' criminals seems too much anyway, at least from my POV.

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;33504740]It isn't. I'm not saying what he did was right, I'm just saying that they recieved a warning and it was their choice to stay.[/QUOTE] Okay? Just because a cop warns you doesn't mean he is then free to do whatever he wants. It doesn't matter whether or not he warned them, what he did was still utter and complete police brutality. They chose to stay because they're not going to be intimidated by police doing illegal things, because they believe in what they're doing.

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;33504615]They were warned. I'm not saying that this was done right, or that there's some justification to this. But I want you to know, no matter how little it matters to them or anyone else, that they were, in fact, [B]warned.[/B][/QUOTE] Good thing it doesnt make a difference. I should remember to warn people before i stomp on their constitutional rights.