Couple found guilty of murder after using Christian parenting book "To Train Up a Child" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;42920436]The bible says outright that you should stone your child to death if they disobey you (the parent). This isn't very far from one of the (many) verses that talks about how gays are deserving of death too.[/QUOTE] this (along with a lot of other ruthless punishments) were revised by the new testament the old testament was some brutal stuff i.e. there was a guy who killed a thousand people with a jaw-bone of a donkey (the same person also rips apart a lion with his bare hands)

[QUOTE=Juniez;42920479]this (along with a lot of other ruthless punishments) were revised by the new testament the old testament was some brutal stuff[/QUOTE] God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. -- Matthew 15:4 This is in the New Testament. Seriously, fuck everything about this book.

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;42920414] Well I [I]do[/I] happen to think a majority of the human race are idiots.[/QUOTE] Aren't you just a cute little misanthrope e: I suppose you separate yourself from that majority too, how narcassitic

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;42920497]Aren't you just a cute little misanthrope[/QUOTE] I'm pretty damn stupid, too. I mean, I was a devout Baptist for 15 years.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;42920436]The bible says outright that you should stone your child to death if they disobey you (the parent). This isn't very far from one of the (many) verses that talks about how gays are deserving of death too.[/QUOTE] Another example of someone who read something and proceeded to assume their point of view is correct without actual study and understanding. Before the writing of that law it was common practice to stone disobedient children. The key of that verse is that you must FIRST take the child to the town gate, where the elders were who sat in judgment, and then stone the child. That way a parent couldn't kill the child in a fit of rage. They had to do it in the view of the elders and only under their jurisdiction and guess what... there's not a single record of any child being stoned in that way.

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;42920501]I'm pretty damn stupid, too. I mean, I was a devout Baptist for 15 years.[/QUOTE] So hows being 16 years old?

I like how there are people who bash the bible for killing the kid and not the mental health of the parents, if the parents just shot the kid, people would've been all over the mental health problem instead.

[QUOTE=Novangel;42920523]I like how there are people who bash the bible for killing the kid and not the mental health of the parents, if the parents just shot the kid, people would've been all over the mental health problem instead.[/QUOTE] Bad mental health and the Bible go hand in hand.

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;42920496]God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. -- Matthew 15:4 This is in the New Testament. Seriously, fuck everything about this book.[/QUOTE] this was a parable to rebuke the pharisees and to call them out on not even being able to follow their old testaments which they vehemently defended

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;42920185]I'm not an atheist. I'm an agnostic, who bashes on ALL religions, INCLUDING atheism, because it's ALL stupid to me. These made up gods/lack thereof provide way too much potential for people to abuse them for their own sick ways. Nobody knows if God exists or not, that's a proven fact. I'm sick of seeing shit like this, abused children, because the Bible says it's ok.[/QUOTE] That's not being agnostic, that's just being an equal-opportunity bigot. Also at this point I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Oh, it seems I'm a bit late to make that correction, the latter part of my statement stands though.

[QUOTE=Juniez;42920538]this was a parable to rebuke the pharisees and to call them out on not even being able to follow their old testaments which they vehemently defended[/QUOTE] So Jesus was scorning them for not killing children, eh? After all, Jesus himself was a Jewish man. This entire book is filled with contradictions, yo. It's so poorly written.

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;42920559]So Jesus was scorning them for not killing children, eh? After all, Jesus himself was a Jewish man. This entire book is filled with contradictions, yo. It's so poorly written.[/QUOTE] no, jesus was the son of god who came to revise the jewish religion - the pharisees were the group of people who defended the traditional beliefs and constantly berated jesus for not following them gosh at least know the religion you're bashing!

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;42920530]Bad mental health and the Bible go hand in hand.[/QUOTE] Can you fuck off to reddit already. What you just said is way too retarded

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;42920530]Bad mental health and the Bible go hand in hand.[/QUOTE] my mental health is shit and i hate the bible.

[QUOTE=deathstarboot;42919590][url]http://www.examiner.com/article/another-couple-found-guilty-of-murder-for-parenting-by-to-train-up-a-child[/url] It's the third murder in which this book is associated with, who knows how many others there are in reality. How do people get so religious they just turn into stupid non thinking shits? Oh wait.[/QUOTE] its not religious people, its stupid people who listen to anything. normal people are able to listen to religion, evaluate what they actually think is right, and question what they are doing. a stupid person doesn't do this

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42920598]my mental health is shit[/QUOTE] So much has been explained now

[QUOTE=Sableye;42920622]its not religious people, its stupid people who listen to anything. normal people are able to listen to religion, evaluate what they actually think is right, and question what they are doing. a stupid person doesn't do this[/QUOTE] "But then that's cherrypicking things in religgin herp"

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42920598]my mental health is shit and i hate the bible.[/QUOTE] Good to know

[QUOTE=Griffster26;42920645]So much has been explained now[/QUOTE] i thought this was common knowledge...?

(Secular)Humanist here, just saying that this situation is exactly why we explicitly deny the existence of supernatural beings and the concept of heaven or hell. That child's health and happiness should have been their number one priority, but silly mythology coupled with bad advice and probably some mental health issues led to this tragedy. You cannot deny that as a human you feel pain and pleasure, and with that realization it should be easy, for any reasonable person, to determine that the others around them have the same capacities. That fact alone should be enough incentive to do right by your fellow man. When you introduce 3rd parties into the plea for decency, sometimes this is what you get.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42920737](Secular)Humanist here, just saying that this situation is exactly why we explicitly deny the existence of supernatural beings and the concept of heaven or hell. That child's health and happiness should have been their number one priority, but silly mythology coupled with bad advice and probably some mental health issues led to this tragedy. [/QUOTE] The only problem with secular humanism is that is has absolutely no compelling argument to back it up. It completely depend on arbitrary assumptions.

[QUOTE=sgman91;42920842]The only problem with secular humanism is that is has absolutely no compelling argument for it's truth.[/QUOTE] Does that really matter? It is perfectly fine for you to adhere to Humanist views while still being religious, just without the distinction that makes it secular. If the result of the ideology is peace and understanding, even among groups with different views, who cares if it's true. And, yes you could say the same of any religion, but almost no religion makes it possible to coexist with other faiths/lack of faith. I almost look at Humanism like the base of any worthwhile religion. If your religion doesn't pass Humanism's standards, then IMO it is not humane.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42920877]Does that really matter? It is perfectly fine for you to adhere to Humanist views while still being religious, just without the distinction that makes it secular. If the result of the ideology is peace and understanding, even among groups with different views, who cares if it's true. And, yes you could say the same of any religion, but almost no religion makes it possible to coexist with other faiths/lack of faith.[/QUOTE] You can't knock someone for not agreeing with you when there's no good reason for them to do so. There's a difference in the problem with morality out of religion and morality out of secular humanism. On one had morality logically follows from the existence of God, but the existence of God is difficult/impossible to prove. So the problem is factual, not logical, namely: "Does God exist?" If yes, then objective morals follow. If no, then objective morals do not follow. On the other hand morality does not logically follow from secular humanism. So the problem is logical itself. No amount of proof will ever make secular humanism logical.

[QUOTE=sgman91;42920888]You can't knock someone for not agreeing with you when there's no good reason for them to do so.[/QUOTE] I guess, but at some point it starts to be just you disagreeing simply because you don't want to agree.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;42920734]No, You get pissed at people who have the faith/lack there of, to actually have an opinion. Your choice reflects cowardice, indicating that you're not mature enough in any belief to commit to it; as such, instead of growing in a belief, you decide that all of them are "stupid" and then claim to be of higher intelligence. I might not agree with atheism, but I at least acknowledge the fact that they have conviction and courage to actually believe in something.. or in this case NOT believe in something.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between "conviction and courage" and "blind ignorance." I'm not religious because I'm not stupid enough to say something is real when there's no proof it is. Blind faith isn't something to be proud of. It's a sign of unwillingness to progress.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;42920657]"But then that's cherrypicking things in religgin herp"[/QUOTE] Yeah, actually, it is.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;42920955]Yes, because people are "blindly ignorant" for not following EXACTLY what you believe. Honestly you sound like a person who is about.. 15.. and want's to look cool on the internet. You probably looked up the definition of agnosticism, a few quotes, and said "yea, this totally works, now I don't need to put any more thought into this". If no, them prove me wrong, get rid of the "IM SO SMERT LOOK AT ME" attitude you've had for the past 2 pages. It doesn't look good, it makes you look like a tool.[/QUOTE] No, people are blindly ignorant for saying something is real/not real when there is NO PROOF OF EITHER.

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;42920923]There's a difference between "conviction and courage" and "blind ignorance."[/QUOTE] there's also a difference between an informed rebuke and mindless bashing and well here we are!

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;42919716]Actually, the Bible pretty much loves telling parents to be violent against their children. Proverbs 13:24 Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.[/QUOTE] Genesis 22: After these things God decided to test Abraham’s faith. God said to him, “Abraham!” And he said, “Yes!” 2 Then God said, “Take your son to the land of Moriah and kill your son there as a sacrifice for me. This must be Isaac, your only son, the one you love. Use him as a burnt offering on one of the mountains there. I will tell you which mountain.”

[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;42921009]Genesis 22: After these things God decided to test Abraham’s faith. God said to him, “Abraham!” And he said, “Yes!” 2 Then God said, “Take your son to the land of Moriah and kill your son there as a sacrifice for me. This must be Isaac, your only son, the one you love. Use him as a burnt offering on one of the mountains there. I will tell you which mountain.”[/QUOTE] After people discussed about Abraham you decided to join in and miss-quote it. Good job.