Couple found guilty of murder after using Christian parenting book "To Train Up a Child" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;42922281]So atheists are okay only when they keep their mouth shut about religion, unless it is directly "pressing them to defend their points"? Yeah, no, fuck off[/QUOTE] Tbh it's stupid to categorise atheists like that in the first place, you could apply those categories to people of faith as well

Where is the part of the bible that explains why god just disappears? All throughout the bible he is apparently apparent. People living 600 years, magically turning into salt, among other things. Then... nothing for 2000 years. Why hasn't he set us right? The only answer to me is either he doesn't exist and the much more logical purpose of religion becomes apparent, control, OR he is simply sadistic, and likes watching wars happen in his name.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42922630]OR he is simply sadistic, and likes watching wars happen in his name.[/QUOTE] Why do people invariably fall upon this "why would god let evil exist" argument?

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42922630]Where is the part of the bible that explains why god just disappears? All throughout the bible he is apparently apparent. People living 600 years, magically turning into salt, among other things. Then... nothing for 2000 years. Why hasn't he set us right? The only answer to me is either he doesn't exist and the much more logical purpose of religion becomes apparent, control, OR he is simply sadistic, and likes watching wars happen in his name.[/QUOTE] that isn't exactly true from the theological standpoint. god has supposedly spoken to many people and done many things throughout the last 2000 years according to the catholic religion. [url]http://www.catholic.org/saints/stindex.php[/url] there are like 5000 saints here...that's like almost 3 per year.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;42922764]Why do people invariably fall upon this "why would god let evil exist" argument?[/QUOTE] It's not that, it's the fact that he was apparently very active in the lives of humans, and then just leaves us with doubt and varying interpretations for thousands of years. The "bad stuff" is a secondary effect of the question I asked.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42922630]Where is the part of the bible that explains why god just disappears? All throughout the bible he is apparently apparent. People living 600 years, magically turning into salt, among other things. Then... nothing for 2000 years. Why hasn't he set us right? The only answer to me is either he doesn't exist and the much more logical purpose of religion becomes apparent, control, OR he is simply sadistic, and likes watching wars happen in his name.[/QUOTE] Or maybe he wants to let people have and exercise free will, and forcing everyone to not fight would be the exact opposite of that?

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;42922777]Or maybe he wants to let people have and exercise free will, and forcing everyone to not fight would be the exact opposite of that?[/QUOTE] Then why was he so prevalent then if that was the point? In fact, why would he have said anything at all if the point were to get us to realize that he is real. Wouldn't it be much more effective for us to come to that conclusion on our own without spontaneous and inconsistent intervention?

And why did it all just happen in the middle east of all places

[QUOTE=BFG9000;42922764]Why do people invariably fall upon this "why would god let evil exist" argument?[/QUOTE]Because nobody has succeeded in countering the Epicurean paradox thus far, despite many attempts over the centuries of philosophy.

[url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/1892112000/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt/280-5103268-6871842?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1[/url] This may've already been posted, but that's quite an interesting scale of Amazon star reviews.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;42921639]By sensible christians you mean people who just call themselves christians but don't actually do anything the bible says. I mean as far as I'm concerned I'm an atheist but I find pick n mix Christianity ridiculous.[/QUOTE] The Bible isn't written by god or anything. It's written by a number of different people and has most certainly been twisted or misinterpreted at every turn. This is why people are selective about what they take as truth, because sensible christians know that the Bible was written and controlled by flawed people.

Honestly it's pretty fucking obvious God does not exist, like not to be a fedora atheist, but looking at human psychology and culture, God is nothing more than a glorified myth used to explain the unknown. I can't think of any reason as to why this is not obvious, perhaps it's cuz people's justification for existence in general is hinged on God, and to denounce him would be very confusing. I don't know, I'm sorry.

[QUOTE=be;42923317]Honestly it's pretty fucking obvious God does not exist, like not to be a fedora atheist, but looking at human psychology and culture, God is nothing more than a glorified myth used to explain the unknown. I can't think of any reason as to why this is not obvious, perhaps it's cuz people's justification for existence in general is hinged on God, and to denounce him would be very confusing. I don't know, I'm sorry.[/QUOTE] what are you on about man... it's literally possible god exists! it's so not just another myth in mankinds long line of myths. i mean, baal, zeus, odin, ra, ahura mazda, gan. those were all just flukes, god is the real deal

This isn't going to help the whole "christians are fucking morons" stereotype they already got going strongly..

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;42919660][img]http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/files/2010/03/michael-pearl.jpg[/img] This guy clearly knows how to properly raise children[/QUOTE] why, it's sir ian mckellen!

I don't think I've ever seen someone dig their own grave with such tenacity and so hilariously as Shark Bones.

I feel so bad for the kids who have parents taking that piece of shit book seriously. The bruises and broken bones can heal but that shit stays in your head forever or at least the psychological effects of being physically abused have left me a weird,scared woman who has nightmares and shit.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42923471]what are you on about man... it's literally possible god exists! it's so not just another myth in mankinds long line of myths. i mean, baal, zeus, odin, ra, ahura mazda, gan. those were all just flukes, god is the real deal[/QUOTE] Maybe a species can become near Godlike when given long enough time, like us humans quite possibly.

The Abrahamic Religions are full of shit even on the fundamental level The concept of God in those is on the same tier as that annoying kid who has an imaginary friend that can do basically anything. Hah my God is omnipotent,omniscient and omnibenevolent! He's the best! It's not like these traits contradict each other or anything!

[QUOTE=ionuttzu;42920246]*tips fedora* [/QUOTE] Lazy response.

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;42920113]And yet God still told Abraham to do so, as a test of his faith. Just because that story didn't end in a dead child doesn't mean Christians don't willingly do unbelievably stupid things in the name of their God.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;hnd_JOp-eBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnd_JOp-eBE[/video]

[QUOTE=Laputa;42922819]And why did it all just happen in the middle east of all places[/QUOTE] Yeah, convenient and mysterious how god chooses to appear before an insignificant, small, mostly illiterate tribe in the deserts of Sinai to issue his commandments and make his "chosen people." Of course he doesn't choose the Chinese, who can read and write and have extensive records dating back thousand of years. Nope, he ignores culture and sophistication and instead chooses one of the most backward tribes in the Middle East to do his work. [editline]20th November 2013[/editline] Also, the fact that ever since biblical times, the most of god that we get is [i]people telling us that god spoke to them in their head[/i] shows just how seriously we should take any of this. [editline]20th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;42921498]God I remember back when people on facepunch hated religion. What the fuck happened[/QUOTE] And I have to make a comment on this, I know it's a few pages back, but still. I remember back when I joined in '08 that you would be shat on and ripped apart by just about every member if you defended religion in an ITN thread.

Holy shit, first the whole sexism train goddess thing and now this? You guys sometimes. Semi-related, the story reminds me a lot of this: [url]http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1425[/url]

Kids need to be raised, not trained.

[QUOTE=Falubii;42924344]Lazy response.[/QUOTE] I think you mean height of sophisticated humour, you filthy neckbeard. *doffs flatcap*

[QUOTE=Matrix374;42924264]The Abrahamic Religions are full of shit even on the fundamental level The concept of God in those is on the same tier as that annoying kid who has an imaginary friend that can do basically anything. Hah my God is omnipotent,omniscient and omnibenevolent! He's the best! It's not like these traits contradict each other or anything![/QUOTE] I would definitely say God is omnipotent and omniscient, but omnibenevolent? Not in my book. Because I don't see how shit like tsunamis, lightning strikes, black holes or the creation of planets and the Universe are either good or bad things.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42922771]that isn't exactly true from the theological standpoint. god has supposedly spoken to many people and done many things throughout the last 2000 years according to the catholic religion. [url]http://www.catholic.org/saints/stindex.php[/url] there are like 5000 saints here...that's like almost 3 per year.[/QUOTE] Let's not forget Joseph Smith and his magical disappearing plates

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;42925687]I would definitely say God is omnipotent and omniscient, but omnibenevolent? Not in my book. Because I don't see how shit like tsunamis, lightning strikes, black holes or the creation of planets and the Universe are either good or bad things.[/QUOTE] There's a reason why I specifically singled out Abrahamic religions because they're the ones that claim their God is supposedly Good. God can technically exist but there's no real reason to believe that such a being exists in the first place other than for your own personal comfort.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42922630]Where is the part of the bible that explains why god just disappears? All throughout the bible he is apparently apparent. People living 600 years, magically turning into salt, among other things. Then... nothing for 2000 years. Why hasn't he set us right? The only answer to me is either he doesn't exist and the much more logical purpose of religion becomes apparent, control, OR he is simply sadistic, and likes watching wars happen in his name.[/QUOTE] Even the Biblical text shows God being silent for hundreds of years at a time. One example is the captivity in Egypt where the Bible tells of God not speaking or acting for around 400 years. Also remember that the people of the past had no real Bible. [editline]20th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Explosions;42924377]Yeah, convenient and mysterious how god chooses to appear before an insignificant, small, mostly illiterate tribe in the deserts of Sinai to issue his commandments and make his "chosen people." Of course he doesn't choose the Chinese, who can read and write and have extensive records dating back thousand of years. Nope, he ignores culture and sophistication and instead chooses one of the most backward tribes in the Middle East to do his work.[/QUOTE] Ironically, the choosing of a weak tribe in a morally horrendous area strengthens the evidence of a divine intervention. The Jewish culture and ideas about the divine were in stark contrast to the surrounding countries/city states. Many of the Jewish laws that people mock (the not using of composite fabrics, for example) are simply symbols for the separation that Jews were supposed to model in the area of the world that they lived in. [QUOTE]Also, the fact that ever since biblical times, the most of god that we get is people telling us that god spoke to them in their head shows just how seriously we should take any of this.[/QUOTE] Many of the miracles were done in sight of the entire nation of Israel.

[QUOTE=ionuttzu;42919650]How the fuck can you call yourself christian while you do such shit? It's completely against anything the Bible says[/QUOTE] How can so many people agree with this post? It's flat out wrong. The Bible actively encourages violence against children. [QUOTE]Proverbs 29:15 - The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left [to himself] bringeth his mother to shame.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Proverbs 22:15 - Foolishness [is] bound in the heart of a child; [but] the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Proverbs 23:13-14 - Withhold not correction from the child: for [if] thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Proverbs 13:24 - He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Proverbs 20:30 - The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so [do] stripes the inward parts of the belly.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Proverbs 30:17 - The eye [that] mocketh at [his] father, and despiseth to obey [his] mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it.[/QUOTE] I could go on and on, but I think you get the picture. Child abuse is rife in many Christian sects and further afield in Jewish and Islamic communities. The Abrahamic faiths have no shortage of encouragement to abuse children, whether it be through neglect or violence. Anyone who agreed with this post has either misunderstood the post, or has missed a lot of important verses from the Bible.