Couple found guilty of murder after using Christian parenting book "To Train Up a Child" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ricool06;42928399]If that's the case, that slavery was somehow mutually beneficial, why in the world would there need to be a Bible verse telling slaves to be obedient with "fear and trembling"? You're just plain ignorant of everything you are reading.[/QUOTE] Because people still don't like being a slave? I'm sure they would rather not be one. In the same way prisoners are rightfully in prison, but still don't like it and often try to escape.

[QUOTE=Matrix374;42924264]The Abrahamic Religions are full of shit even on the fundamental level The concept of God in those is on the same tier as that annoying kid who has an imaginary friend that can do basically anything. Hah my God is omnipotent,omniscient and omnibenevolent! He's the best! It's not like these traits contradict each other or anything![/QUOTE] Original deity, do not steal.

[QUOTE=sgman91;42928412]Because people still don't like being a slave? I'm sure they would rather not be one. In the same way prisoners are rightfully in prison, but still don't like it and often try to escape.[/QUOTE] With how ridiculous you are being, you may as well have conceded already. I want a debate, not someone who is moving the goalposts to suit their needs, ignoring retorts that won't make it easy for you to continue arguing your point.

[QUOTE=Ricool06;42928501]With how ridiculous you are being, you may as well have conceded already. I want a debate, not someone who is moving the goalposts to suit their needs, ignoring retorts that won't make it easy for you to continue arguing your point.[/QUOTE] They need to be told to be obedient because their natural desire is to not be obedient. I'm not sure what the confusion is. Also, please point out what I didn't adequately respond to. It isn't very helpful to call someone out without pointing out what you exactly have a problem with. If anything you have continually become more emotional in your responses as we go, including more and more ad hominems along the way, such as: "With how ridiculous you are being, you may as well have conceded already" and " You're just plain ignorant of everything you are reading."

[QUOTE=sgman91;42928514]They need to be told to be obedient because their natural desire is to not be obedient. I'm not sure what the confusion is. Also, please point out what I didn't adequately respond to. It isn't very helpful to call someone out without pointing out what you exactly have a problem with. If anything you have continually become more emotional in your responses as we go, including more and more ad hominems along the way, such as: "With how ridiculous you are being, you may as well have conceded already" and " You're just plain ignorant of everything you are reading."[/QUOTE] I fail to see how either of those statements are emotionally charged. Mostly, my points about how child abuse is mandated by the bible, your only response to them was that the bible has good stuff too.

[QUOTE=sgman91;42928514]They need to be told to be obedient because their natural desire is to not be obedient. I'm not sure what the confusion is. Also, please point out what I didn't adequately respond to. It isn't very helpful to call someone out without pointing out what you exactly have a problem with. If anything you have continually become more emotional in your responses as we go, including more and more ad hominems along the way, such as: "With how ridiculous you are being, you may as well have conceded already" and " You're just plain ignorant of everything you are reading."[/QUOTE] I just wanna say now that this is bullshit, and I would never use a fucking "rod" on my son. I wouldn't even spank him. Raising a child through explanation and understanding is much more effective IMO. It seems like people take the bible literally, and feel that they HAVE to beat their kids in order to raise a loving person, which makes no sense at all. Beating your kids is a lazy way to parent. It's a way where you don't have to take the time to explain why what they did was wrong, and convince them to do better. Punishment without explanation is useless, and beating your kids is NEVER ok IMO. My son was an equal with me since the day he was born, and even though he isn't fully capable of speaking English fluently, I still explain to him what he's done, and listen to him when he talks to me. You should not treat your kid like some kind of servant who has to OBEY or face a beating. That is barbaric. I can't speak for all people's kids, but my son has no natural desire to be disobedient, when he is it only shows a misunderstanding of my expectations of him, which needs to be corrected through talking, and understanding. Raising your expectations of your kids by beating them fucks them up later in life, and I've got the literal and metaphorical scars to prove it.

[QUOTE=Ricool06;42928647]I fail to see how either of those statements are emotionally charged. Mostly, my points about how child abuse is mandated by the bible, your only response to them was that the bible has good stuff too.[/QUOTE] The problem with the bible(s) is that they take both sides on so many issues. Two people who follow the bible can interpret it to mean radically different things.

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;42919716]Actually, the Bible pretty much loves telling parents to be violent against their children. Proverbs 13:24 Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.[/QUOTE] Ephesians 6:4 Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord. Just stop it. Have you ever actually read the Bible in a non-biased way? Because you clearly know nothing about it.

[url]http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2002/06/spanking.aspx[/url] [QUOTE]WASHINGTON — Corporal punishment remains a widely used discipline technique in most American families, but it has also been a subject of controversy within the child development and psychological communities. In a large-scale meta-analysis of 88 studies, psychologist Elizabeth Thompson Gershoff, PhD, of the National Center for Children in Poverty at Columbia University, looked at both positive and negative behaviors in children that were associated with corporal punishment. Her research and commentaries on her work are published in the July issue of Psychological Bulletin, published by the American Psychological Association. While conducting the meta-analysis, which included 62 years of collected data, Gershoff looked for associations between parental use of corporal punishment and 11 child behaviors and experiences, including several in childhood (immediate compliance, moral internalization, quality of relationship with parent, and physical abuse from that parent), three in both childhood and adulthood (mental health, aggression, and criminal or antisocial behavior) and one in adulthood alone (abuse of own children or spouse). Gershoff found "strong associations" between corporal punishment and all eleven child behaviors and experiences. [B]Ten of the associations were negative such as with increased child aggression and antisocial behavior. [/B]The single desirable association was between corporal punishment and increased immediate compliance on the part of the child.[/QUOTE] Corporal punishment is flat out wrong and studies have backed this up time and again. It's wrong, don't defend it.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42919702]because it's meant to only be used for informational purposes[/QUOTE] So was the anarchists cookbook, your point?

[QUOTE=Kyle902;42933447]So was the anarchists cookbook, your point?[/QUOTE] banning books sets a very very bad precedent that's his point [editline]21st November 2013[/editline] wait that's my point i mean