• 911 Call from the Trayvon Martin murder is online.
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[QUOTE=Jenkem;35184646]Racist? We're going to draw this argument up again? What proof do you have? I don't have all the information to draw a conclusion as to "what" specifically transpired there, but just because someone has no weapon doesn't mean they're not dangerous. The kid could've rushed him, picked up a rock, anything. You're never going to understand how these kind of situations go down while you sit behind a computer screen judging people you've never met, over incidents neither you nor anyone else really saw.[/QUOTE] because before the confrontation ever began he called the police and reported a "suspicious individual" who was just a black teenager who hadn't even noticed zimmerman at the time
Shit like this happens every day.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;35184646]Racist? We're going to draw this argument up again? What proof do you have? I don't have all the information to draw a conclusion as to "what" specifically transpired there, but just because someone has no weapon doesn't mean they're not dangerous. The kid could've rushed him, picked up a rock, anything. You're never going to understand how these kind of situations go down while you sit behind a computer screen judging people you've never met, over incidents neither you nor anyone else really saw. This isn't a video game, people behave strangely when under this kind of stress.[/QUOTE] what more information do you need? the kid had done nothing wrong and this piece of shit shot him. no way can this be justified especially after the cops even told him to fuck off and leave it to them to deal with it. how can you even try to defend this?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;35184652]because before the confrontation ever began he called the police and reported a "suspicious individual" who was just a black teenager who hadn't even noticed zimmerman at the time[/QUOTE] Stop mentioning how black the victim is, you're beginning to make me think that's the only reason you're siding with the kid and you seem to be implying it's the reason for this shooting. Do we ACTUALLY know what happened for certain? He may, or may not have been doing something, and whether he noticed the shooter or not has little to do with it. The guy may very well have been acting shady, and loitering or behaving strangely at night around my property would elicit a call to the police to at least make sure. The shooter probably had no good reason to escalate by appearing, though if the kid was on the guy's property then that's a whole different story. You're making a lot of really, really big assumptions that nobody can answer, seeing as there is apparently a lack of witnesses. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;35184769]what more information do you need? the kid had done nothing wrong and this piece of shit shot him. no way can this be justified especially after the cops even told him to fuck off and leave it to them to deal with it. how can you even try to defend this?[/QUOTE] Correct me if I'm wrong, but was he on this guy's property? I'm fairly certain at night castle doctrine applies to yards. I'm not necessarily defending him other than pointing out it's not necessarily how it appears, but during these kind of situations people do stuff that doesn't make sense.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;35184933]Stop mentioning how black the victim is, you're beginning to make me think that's the only reason you're siding with the kid and you seem to be implying it's the reason for this shooting. Do we ACTUALLY know what happened for certain? He may, or may not have been doing something, and whether he noticed the shooter or not has little to do with it. The guy may very well have been acting shady, and loitering or behaving strangely at night around my property would elicit a call to the police to at least make sure. The shooter probably had no good reason to escalate by appearing, though if the kid was on the guy's property then that's a whole different story. You're making a lot of really, really big assumptions that nobody can answer, seeing as there is apparently a lack of witnesses. Correct me if I'm wrong, but was he on this guy's property? I'm fairly certain at night castle doctrine applies to yards. I'm not necessarily defending him other than pointing out it's not necessarily how it appears, but during these kind of situations people do stuff that doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE] what? he was walking down the street. this is how it appears: kid walking down the street doing nothing, crazy asshole follows him, causes a confrontation then shoots him.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;35185034]what? he was walking down the street. this is how it appears: kid walking down the street doing nothing, crazy asshole follows him, causes a confrontation then shoots him.[/QUOTE] That is called an assumption.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;35185570]That is called an assumption.[/QUOTE] Well we at least know that Zimmerman followed the kid in his car for a short period of time, so it's not like the kid was on his porch or something.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;35185570]That is called an assumption.[/QUOTE] Yes, it is. What's your point?
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;35185660]Yes, it is. What's your point?[/QUOTE] That they've disregarded what is currently unknown and substituted it with what they believe has happened.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;35185698]That they've disregarded what is currently unknown and substituted it with what they believe has happened.[/QUOTE] uh? that is exactly what happened? he followed the kid which caused a confrontation then he shot him
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;35185718]uh? that is exactly what happened? he followed the kid which caused a confrontation then he shot him[/QUOTE] This is still an assumption.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;35185744]This is still an assumption.[/QUOTE] how is it an assumption what the fuck? the guy said he followed the kid, the guy said there was a confrontation and the guy clearly shot the kid what am i assuming???????
[QUOTE=DogGunn;35185698]That they've disregarded what is currently unknown and substituted it with what they believe has happened.[/QUOTE] You just "disregarded the unknown", by implying there is a consistent "they" across these various posts. You cannot confirm that, each account could be compromised. I've yet to see direct video evidence demonstrating Lachz0r is not a horde of cheetahs. Again, what's your point?
[QUOTE=faze;35184657]Shit like this happens every day.[/QUOTE] no it doesn't
Why does a voulenteer neighborhood watch patrol have a gun?
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;35187573]Why does a voulenteer neighborhood watch patrol have a gun?[/QUOTE] because he's a lunatic. but yeah it's not like he was issued it, it's just his gun.
There is no point in making speculations to what happened in the confrontation; unless there is undeniable video evidence, an individuals testimonies/evidence could be warped in many ways by a persons view of the incident to personal disposition, it's just human nature. But to get to the point, I am confused as to if there is one or two gun-shots. If there was one shot, the the possibly of a struggle between the individuals causing the gun to be fired mistakenly, that I could understand. But the second 911 call, you can hear someone calling/screaming for help then a gun-shot, if this is a second shot, then I can offer no explanation to how Zimmerman could call 'self-defense' Hell the whole idea of "killing in self-defense" is iffy to me; If a person is capable of defending themselves in a manner that is non-lethal (which would be 90% of the time) then I see no reason why they should get away with KILLING the individual.
[QUOTE=JerryK;35186463]no it doesn't[/QUOTE] Maybe not "EVERY DAY" but it happens pretty frequently. The media picks and chooses what to cover. Like when we hear about huge influxes of earthquakes, people freak out. If you look on the USGS website, they happen every day, frequently in the same magnitude they are being reported on.
[QUOTE=Jackald;35189116]Sorry, but I don't understand: What possible motive would Martin have for fighting this guy to the point where Zimmerman shot him. Think about it. There's no fucking incentive. [/QUOTE] It's possible that Martin saw a chance to disarm Zimmerman, attempted to do so and was shot in the process. As someone said it before, people can act strangely, even out of character when under extreme stress. Not saying that what he did, just a speculation. Again, there is to little information to assume anything until we hear more, if we do at all.
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