Trump aware of how blindly loyal his base is: "I could shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=J!NX;49604267]at least Trump is honest about it[/QUOTE] I swear, every time I see a discussion about Trump somebody says this, and it always confuses the hell outta me He's a bigoted, racist, ignorant, unqualified loon with disturbingly fascist ideas, but I guess being honest and open about it somehow makes all of that okay? It just completely redeems him of his myriad flaws? I think I need an explanation 'cause I just don't understand

[QUOTE=Sitkero;49607446]I swear, every time I see a discussion about Trump somebody says this, and it always confuses the hell outta me He's a bigoted, racist, ignorant, unqualified loon with disturbingly fascist ideas, but I guess being honest and open about it somehow makes all of that okay? It just completely redeems him of his myriad flaws? I think I need an explanation 'cause I just don't understand[/QUOTE] Its not ok. But at least he's honest about it. Now we REALLY beyond any doubt whatsoever know how psycho he is and what he believes in as apposed to him holding back until later on. The thing is a lot of people agree with this guy, and that is what's so terrifying.

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49601421] Did you read the article? He never said he was going to, he said he could. He knows he has a loyal fanbase, that alone does not make him bad.[/QUOTE] Does it just mean absolutely nothing to you that he used that as an example though? Out of all of the things he could have said, he uses taking the life of another person. He could've said something about waving his dick at traffic in Times Square, running naked through the streets, or proclaiming that he worships satan, [B]anything else[/B] and it would've been better. Doesn't matter if the article says he's going to actually do it or not, he still suggested that he could go out, shoot some innocent schmuck to death, and his supporters wouldn't give a damn.

[QUOTE=megafat;49606932]Trump said that the US shouldn't allow Mexicans into the country because "somebody is doing all of the raping". I'm pretty sure he's a bigot.[/QUOTE] Okay, can you prove that literally all of Trump supporters are racist bigots and not just misinformed, apathetic, etc?

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49610527]Okay, can you prove that literally all of Trump supporters are racist bigots and not just misinformed, apathetic, etc?[/QUOTE] Hell, I'm pretty sure there are is a large portion who would vote for him just because he pisses off democrats more than the others.

I also buy the idea that people are voting for him because the government is broken and they want the biggest monkey wrench they can find.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49610621]I also buy the idea that people are voting for him because the government is broken and they want the biggest monkey wrench they can find.[/QUOTE] Exactly, except more like wanting to throw the biggest FUBAR at it..... (Get it? It's a giant tool....) [IMG]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31v05xlOf5L.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49610527]Okay, can you prove that literally all of Trump supporters are racist bigots and not just misinformed, apathetic, etc?[/QUOTE] No one can "literally" prove "all" of any supporter of any candidate is a certain thing. The facts are, every time Trump spews out this racial bullshit, he gains in polls. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see a large amount of his base supporters are more than likely bigots themselves.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;49605890]The biggest tragedy is that Rand Paul is pretty much going unnoticed. He's basically the only sensible Republican running, I wouldn't even mind seeing him in office.[/QUOTE] It really shows where the GOP is at, although Rand and Bobby Jindall give me hope it isn't completely lost.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49611240]No one can "literally" prove "all" of any supporter of any candidate is a certain thing. The facts are, every time Trump spews out this racial bullshit, he gains in polls. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see a large amount of his base supporters are more than likely bigots themselves.[/QUOTE] "Every time Sanders spews his socialist bullshit, he surges in polls. Therefore all of his supporters are socialists." This is the problem with blanket statements. It creates distance and a mindset that prevents collaboration and understanding.

[QUOTE=LSK;49607537]Its not ok. But at least he's honest about it. Now we REALLY beyond any doubt whatsoever know how psycho he is and what he believes in as apposed to him holding back until later on. The thing is a lot of people agree with this guy, and that is what's so terrifying.[/QUOTE] why does "but at least he's honest about it" matter like, okay. great. that's 110% irrelevant. people keep saying it like it's a redeeming factor. [editline]26th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=wauterboi;49611654]"Every time Sanders spews his socialist bullshit, he surges in polls. Therefore all of his supporters are socialists." This is the problem with blanket statements. It creates distance and a mindset that prevents collaboration and understanding.[/QUOTE] Trump gained so much traction [I]because[/I] of his social views. In fact, I don't know any of his views/plans that don't have anything to do with xenophobia.

I don't think he is going to win the white house

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49611895]why does "but at least he's honest about it" matter like, okay. great. that's 110% irrelevant. people keep saying it like it's a redeeming factor.[/QUOTE] if Trump were actually honest he would just directly call his voters retarded

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49611895]why does "but at least he's honest about it" matter like, okay. great. that's 110% irrelevant. people keep saying it like it's a redeeming factor. [editline]26th January 2016[/editline] Trump gained so much traction [I]because[/I] of his social views. In fact, I don't know any of his views/plans that don't have anything to do with xenophobia.[/QUOTE] It really doesn't matter either way, and no one has said it's a redeeming factor and I actually said that in the post you quoted me from in response to a guy who same the same thing you just did.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49610621]I also buy the idea that people are voting for him because the government is broken and they want the biggest monkey wrench they can find.[/QUOTE] Well I don't know about biggest monkey wrench, but they certainly found the biggest tool.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49611654]"Every time Sanders spews his socialist bullshit, he surges in polls. Therefore all of his supporters are socialists." This is the problem with blanket statements. It creates distance and a mindset that prevents collaboration and understanding.[/QUOTE] Are you saying it's inaccurate to state that a great deal of Sander's supporters have the same views on social welfare that he does? Is that not one of the main reason his supporters support him in the first place?

Trump is doing well for the same reason Bernie is. Voters are done with the Ted Cruz's, and Clintons of the world as much as they can realistically be. They want better than that. Something about both Bernie and Trump screams honesty. Trumps honest, capable, and knows what to say to his demographic. He's a scumbag, but he's an honest one which is, you have to admit, better than a duplicitous piece of shit, like say, Ted Cruz. Trumps not a good choice imo, but why people like him, is to me, as obvious as why people like Bernie so much.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49612552]Trump is doing well for the same reason Bernie is. Voters are done with the Ted Cruz's, and Clintons of the world as much as they can realistically be. They want better than that. Something about both Bernie and Trump screams honesty. Trumps honest, capable, and knows what to say to his demographic. He's a scumbag, but he's an honest one which is, you have to admit, better than a duplicitous piece of shit, like say, Ted Cruz. Trumps not a good choice imo, but why people like him, is to me, as obvious as why people like Bernie so much.[/QUOTE] Is honesty now a synonym of ignorance? Because Trump just spews a bunch of bullshit I'm not even sure he believes.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;49612507]Are you saying it's inaccurate to state that a great deal of Sander's supporters have the same views on social welfare that he does? Is that not one of the main reason his supporters support him in the first place?[/QUOTE] I'm suggesting that there's a lot of reasons to support Bernie Sanders and a lot of - baseless or not - reasons people support Trump. When you focus so much on distancing yourself from a Trump supporter, you push them away from ever hearing you out and you gain a negative mindset that prevents you from realizing that there are similarities between you and them. You turn it into a two-sided battle instead of a collaboration. I know a Trump supporter, and I know that people kept calling him a bigoted idiot and would never take him seriously and never hear him out. They were, interestingly enough, the same people that would never understand why he was voting for Trump and not joining their side. Maybe it's because, believe it or not, there's a lot of liberals that are huge fucking intolerable assholes that can only do their side harm. Instead of preaching tolerance, people preach intolerance sometimes, and it really bothers me. I don't see any merit it calling the person you're talking with "retarded" as a lot of my liberal friends do.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49613104]I'm suggesting that there's a lot of reasons to support Bernie Sanders and a lot of - baseless or not - reasons people support Trump. When you focus so much on distancing yourself from a Trump supporter, you push them away from ever hearing you out and you gain a negative mindset that prevents you from realizing that there are similarities between you and them. You turn it into a two-sided battle instead of a collaboration. I know a Trump supporter, and I know that people kept calling him a bigoted idiot and would never take him seriously and never hear him out. They were, interestingly enough, the same people that would never understand why he was voting for Trump and not joining their side. Maybe it's because, believe it or not, there's a lot of liberals that are huge fucking intolerable assholes that can only do their side harm. Instead of preaching tolerance, people preach intolerance sometimes, and it really bothers me. I don't see any merit it calling the person you're talking with "retarded" as a lot of my liberal friends do.[/QUOTE] Sure, Trump has a variety of policies dealing with a variety of issues that aren't all bigot-based. But it's a packaged deal. There are plenty of other candidates in the GOP pool that have extremely similar policies in those regards, such as economic deals or foreign policy. The thing that makes Trump stand out and gain support is his racial fear mongering that the first world hasn't witnessed since the 30s. It doesn't fucking matter if you support Trump because he has some kind of smart plan for dealing with the foreign relations of Fiji because you get his hate speech policies with it. And I don't know about you, maybe you like to see all the policies as separate entities or something, but to me there are just some political stances that are just so fucking bad like his that it's wrong to support him for other (possibly good) policies because they do not outweigh the bad. You can close your eyes and cover your ears to all the bad shit you don't like Trump saying and just listen to the other stuff but in the end, you're electing both to office if you cast your vote in his favor.

[QUOTE=gustavholst;49612868]Is honesty now a synonym of ignorance? Because Trump just spews a bunch of bullshit I'm not even sure he believes.[/QUOTE] Regardless of what I, you, or others think of the guy, by and large he's seen as an honest guy. Argue with that or don't, I don't care. Im not the one who sees him as honest. But that is how he's seen.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49612552]Trump is doing well for the same reason Bernie is. Voters are done with the Ted Cruz's, and Clintons of the world as much as they can realistically be. They want better than that. Something about both Bernie and Trump screams honesty. Trumps honest, capable, and knows what to say to his demographic. He's a scumbag, but he's an honest one which is, you have to admit, better than a duplicitous piece of shit, like say, Ted Cruz. Trumps not a good choice imo, but why people like him, is to me, as obvious as why people like Bernie so much.[/QUOTE] Trump is arguably a bigger duplicitous piece of shit than Ted Cruz. The man is far more calculating than people give him credit for. More so than his actual success as a businessman, Trump has built his empire on giving off the impression of success, and maintaining that impression even when broke and with the creditors knocking on his door. This is after all what enabled him to bounce back from 4 successive bankruptcies. Yeah, yeah, you've all heard about the bankruptcies now, probably tired of people talking about them, but did you know how Trump recovered from those bankruptcies? By getting the public to invest in his "success" and bail him out. In each case, Trump took investors money and then ran the company into the ground (with careful detachment of liability so the investors lost their money but Trump himself emerged almost intact), in the process screwing over everyone who trusted him. And this worked 4 times, all because Trump managed to keep presenting the impression of success that people would buy into despite his repeated failures as a businessman. Trump is a master of presenting the public image he wants, and he's using that skill to play republicans into giving him the nomination. He may give off the impression of uncensored honesty, but in fact almost everything Trump says is carefully calculated to appeal to a certain and fairly powerful faction of republican voters. As such, there is no particular guarantee that Trump believes anything he's saying, and that why Trump is more of a lying shit than Cruz, because I'm at least fairly sure Ted Cruz believes the crazy that comes out of his mouth.

[QUOTE=Govna;49599985]That's why you get your Brownshirts/Blackshirts to do that dirty work for you instead. You issue the orders, they act as the enforcers of those orders. But you do it carefully so if you get into trouble with the law, you can always claim, "Well [i]I[/i] never did anything personally-- I never attacked or killed anybody. And there's no evidence I ever directly ordered any of that stuff to be done either." And as for your enforcers that get caught, you publicize their trials and give them whatever legal support you can. You make them into martyrs; "Look at how our opponents are persecuting us! This corrupt government is against us! [i]We're[/i] the victims here! These brave comrades of ours did nothing wrong!" Study the rise of Hitler. This is what he did. [url=http://wwwcrossx.blogspot.com/2011/03/cross-examining-hitler.html]Hell, he even showed up in court to testify in support of his SA men.[/url] With the amount of support Trump has, the fervor he has arisen in his followers, he absolutely could create his own small paramilitary corps along these lines if he wanted to. But I don't see any indication of things leading to that. Not yet anyway. It's just disappointing and somewhat disturbing that this buffoon has been allowed to get as far along as he has.[/QUOTE] I think you're looking too much into this. He isn't going to conduct a secret plan to kill others, he just figurative language to describe how faithful his voters were. No doubt that he's blunt and bigoted, but he's definitely not a murderer.

[QUOTE=AlexConnor;49613953]Trump is arguably a bigger duplicitous piece of shit than Ted Cruz. The man is far more calculating than people give him credit for. More so than his actual success as a businessman, Trump has built his empire on giving off the impression of success, and maintaining that impression even when broke and with the creditors knocking on his door. This is after all what enabled him to bounce back from 4 successive bankruptcies. Yeah, yeah, you've all heard about the bankruptcies now, probably tired of people talking about them, but did you know how Trump recovered from those bankruptcies? By getting the public to invest in his "success" and bail him out. In each case, Trump took investors money and then ran the company into the ground (with careful detachment of liability so the investors lost their money but Trump himself emerged almost intact), in the process screwing over everyone who trusted him. And this worked 4 times, all because Trump managed to keep presenting the impression of success that people would buy into despite his repeated failures as a businessman. Trump is a master of presenting the public image he wants, and he's using that skill to play republicans into giving him the nomination. He may give off the impression of uncensored honesty, but in fact almost everything Trump says is carefully calculated to appeal to a certain and fairly powerful faction of republican voters. As such, there is no particular guarantee that Trump believes anything he's saying, and that why Trump is more of a lying shit than Cruz, because I'm at least fairly sure Ted Cruz believes the crazy that comes out of his mouth.[/QUOTE] And I wouldn't argue with any of that except public perception of him is not related to the facts about the man because he's done a good job at manipulating the media over this time period.

[QUOTE=LSK;49612282]It really doesn't matter either way, and no one has said it's a redeeming factor and I actually said that in the post you quoted me from in response to a guy who same the same thing you just did.[/QUOTE] The phrasing "But at least he's honest about it." implies he's a redeeming factor. The context implies "this person does something wrong, but at least they did this, so its not that bad." There's no reason to use the wording "but at least" if not to imply it makes up for something. Bottom line is that his "honesty" is irrelevant.