New York poised to ban smoking in Central Park, Times Square - Polidicks

It seems that the anti smokers on face-punch will always be militant about their beliefs. Smoking doesn't turn someone into an asshole, having a go at them for smoking will naturally make them defensive, especially if you don't know said person thus making them talk back to you and you perceiving them as a self righteous twat. To be honest i can't stand people who stop me in the street and comment on me smoking, makes me despise the fact that they feel the right to talk down to me for a habit which i genuinely enjoy. That may not be the case for everyone, but there is help for those who want to quit and that enables them to do so. In another situation, I'm willing to be the militant nonsmokers here that you wouldn't go up to that person on the bus taking up two seats and say to him "you are a fat disgusting plague on society which is eating up my tax money on your treatment for your diabetes's" Now i know that eating and smoking are two different things, whilst second hand smoke is known to cause harm after a very long time and constant exposure to second hand smoke in an enclosed environment (ie a house) whereas eating doesn't. It's just the stigma that people feel towards smokers makes me a little riled. And people need to chill out about it. Banning smoking in a park is a stupid idea at any rate.

[QUOTE=cherry gmod;27894627]Banning smoking in a park is a stupid idea at any rate.[/QUOTE] It could have legitimacy if it wasn't about health concerns, as in the ground is littered with cigarette butt and it is costing money to clean up that mess and there are recipticals to dispose of the cigarette butts in that simple aren't being used, then that would be a good justification. Cigarette butts do not make a part look pretty. If there is no issue with that, then there really isn't a reason to ban it.

Good, those bastards always grabbed me right as I was about to get in the rescue vehicle. [img]http://forum.i3d.net/attachments/left-4-dead-l4d/943152900d1228287165-left-4-dead-guide-how-identify-zombie-smoker-bd.jpg[/img]

Excellent, I fucking hate cigarettes anyway.

Forest fires burn houses and release toxic fumes into the atmosphere and give me cancer. Ban everything!

[QUOTE=RBM11;27889758]Probably because they let off shit smelling smoke that contributes to a wide variety of disease. [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] It's all biased bullshit research right? [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] This is too, right? [url]http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/120/14/1373[/url] [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] My mom was kind enough to smoke when I was a child. Now I have asthma and spend several hundred dollars a month for advair and albuterol. If I'm off the advair for three days I won't stop weezing and can die. It's difficult to run without wheezing and my VO2 max is complete shit. Of course it's okay to smoke when other people are around. They're just assholes if they can't respect you smoking.[/QUOTE] If second hand smoke for sure caused that, then I'd be in your boat too. I lived with a smoker for 19 years, 2 packs a day(He's also smoked 2 packs a day for 57 years now and has no cancer.) but you can't prove that it does. You can't isolate it against the variables. [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=O'10er;27890399]HumanAbyss loves science, except when it applies to the damaging effects of his smoking on others.[/QUOTE] Second hand smoke in a small room will do damage, i"m sure over enough time. Second hand smoke in a park? Nope. Not ever.

It's not just about the other people who don't smoke, it's also about making smoking less attractive so people won't start doing it. When you get cancer and have to go to the hospital all the time you're costing the government thousand of dollars. "Government assholes! Trying to stop me from doing my totally unnecessary thing that only contribute to me dying faster" And don't pull that whole "poor guy just getting a smoke in his break" thing because you know that's just a pile of bullshit.

If I grew up submersed in smoke as a kid, came out fairly well off(No asthma, I regularly swim 30 laps, I smoke myself, no serious health conditions but a genetically fucked up back) and second hand smoke is proven to be so bad, and it's truly second hand smoke and none of the variables, wouldn't I be fucked right now, wheezing to type this as some of you claim to do when a wisp of smoke comes your way? [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=FPSMango;27897226]It's not just about the other people who don't smoke, it's also about making smoking less attractive so people won't start doing it. When you get cancer and have to go to the hospital all the time you're costing the government thousand of dollars. "Government assholes! Trying to stop me from doing my totally unnecessary thing that only contribute to me dying faster" And don't pull that whole "poor guy just getting a smoke in his break" thing because you know that's just a pile of bullshit.[/QUOTE] Have you ever smoked? No. You don't know how it feels. If people want to, fucking let them. We have enough people on the planet as it is, who cares if some die from smoking, it's their choice after all.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27897281]If I grew up submersed in smoke as a kid, came out fairly well off(No asthma, I regularly swim 30 laps, I smoke myself, no serious health conditions but a genetically fucked up back) and second hand smoke is proven to be so bad, and it's truly second hand smoke and none of the variables, wouldn't I be fucked right now, wheezing to type this as some of you claim to do when a wisp of smoke comes your way? [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] Have you ever smoked? No. You don't know how it feels. If people want to, fucking let them. We have enough people on the planet as it is, who cares if some die from smoking, it's their choice after all.[/QUOTE] Guess what, not everyone is the same. Just because it had no effect on you doesn't mean it won't have effect on other people. It's like saying it's ok to keep a virus uncontrolled because you have immunity. My dad is a smoker too and I spent quite some of my life in smoke and I do have some trouble breathing. Nothing major, but it's not entirely normal.

[QUOTE=johan_sm;27897332]Guess what, not everyone is the same. Just because it had no effect on you doesn't mean it won't have effect on other people. It's like saying it's ok to keep a virus uncontrolled because you have immunity.[/QUOTE] Exactly my point, thanks for proving it for me. Not everyone is the same and you're going to legislate based on that? Cool beans bro.

That's ridiculous. It's fucking OUTDOORS.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27897281] Have you ever smoked? [b]No. You don't know how it feels.[/b] If people want to, fucking let them. We have enough people on the planet as it is, who cares if some die from smoking, it's their choice after all.[/QUOTE] Nope I haven't. But still as I've said; I don't think it's mostly about being an asshole to you guys. It's about making it less attractive to the next generation. That you guys are finding it hard to stop and are opposed to this law is all well and fine, but IMO it still outweighs saving the world from another generation of smokers. Plus think of all the extra food we could make by turning the tobacco farms into corn farms!

[QUOTE=Billiam;27889886]A smoker smoking outside is relatively harmless compared to car exhaust. The sheer volume of vehicles in Time Square combined with the default PM in NYC air at any time is gigantic.[/QUOTE] I wasn't talking about outdoor bans, I was responding to the people in this thread who claim second hand smoke is not dangerous at all. I already said I don't care if people smoke outside but if it's in a public park, there should be areas set aside to smoke in, especially if there are other people around. [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] I think this study suggests causality more than anything. [URL]http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/114/14/1490[/URL] You can read how well the study controls for variables. [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] FYI I have nothing against smokers. I do, however, have something against smokers whose addiction makes them discount valid science simply to convince themselves their habit is okay around others. I know very well the effect nicotine has on the body from cigars, dip, and once, a cigarette, which when compared to weed and even the incredibly harsh spice, was horrible on my lungs. The problem arises when you do it around others. You claim others are dicks because they don't like it when you smoke around them yet you are the ones entering the variable of the cigarette into the equation. Smoke is acrid and carcinogenic so it's very arrogant when you expect others to cater to your smoking around them. There's nothing wrong with stepping outside or smoking at home or when you happen to be around others at a park, asking them whether they mind and if they do just walk a few feet away and smoke there. They do not have to cater to your habit and it's very arrogant to expect them to, especially because of the health issues. It's like playing really loud music and expecting others to allow you only if, in addition to being annoying, the loud music could give you health problems.

[QUOTE=Pepin;27893061] I rephrased it.[/QUOTE] Thanks, I agree with the change. Then again if you're smoking in public you're probably not smoking weed or something else like that.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;27868126]Ban cigarettes, legalize weed, allow smoking [b]everywhere[/b][/QUOTE] Although I like the idea, I don't think it would be good. Everybody being high at the same time isn't good, unless Civil Defense or something begins handing out masks to prevent that. I personally have no reason to dislike the legalization of cannabis, but I don't want everyone around be to be high, and I don't want to be high on it myself.

[QUOTE=RBM11;27897664]I wasn't talking about outdoor bans, I was responding to the people in this thread who claim second hand smoke is not dangerous at all. I already said I don't care if people smoke outside but if it's in a public park, there should be areas set aside to smoke in, especially if there are other people around. [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] I think this study suggests causality more than anything. [URL]http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/114/14/1490[/URL] You can read how well the study controls for variables. [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] FYI I have nothing against smokers. I do, however, have something against smokers whose addiction makes them discount valid science simply to convince themselves their habit is okay around others. I know very well the effect nicotine has on the body from cigars, dip, and once, a cigarette, which when compared to weed and even the incredibly harsh spice, was horrible on my lungs. The problem arises when you do it around others. You claim others are dicks because they don't like it when you smoke around them yet you are the ones entering the variable of the cigarette into the equation. Smoke is acrid and carcinogenic so it's very arrogant when you expect others to cater to your smoking around them. There's nothing wrong with stepping outside or smoking at home or when you happen to be around others at a park, asking them whether they mind and if they do just walk a few feet away and smoke there. They do not have to cater to your habit and it's very arrogant to expect them to, especially because of the health issues. It's like playing really loud music and expecting others to allow you only if, in addition to being annoying, the loud music could give you health problems.[/QUOTE] because anyone in here has said "I think second hand smoke causes no damage to anyone at all under any circumstances at all". Nope, no one in here has said anything like that as far as i've seen.

[QUOTE=FPSMango;27897520]Nope I haven't. But still as I've said; I don't think it's mostly about being an asshole to you guys. It's about making it less attractive to the next generation. That you guys are finding it hard to stop and are opposed to this law is all well and fine, but IMO it still outweighs saving the world from another generation of smokers. Plus think of all the extra food we could make by turning the tobacco farms into corn farms![/QUOTE] The warnings are right on the package. A large portion of health class covers the dangers of tobacco. There are anti-tobacco commercials played on the radio and tv quite constantly. There is already enough discouragement. If you don't think that at least 90% of the US population is aware that smoking tobacco has dangers, then you are lying to yourself. The point of getting all this information out there is to warm people about the dangers. People know them and they still make a choice of their complete free will to smoke. This is no way justifies going further to discourage people from smoking tobacco. As much that should be done has been done. Enforcing more laws to discourage people from smoking is a completely overstepping boundaries and justifies itself with ludicrous claims. Laws shouldn't be make to further your own personal agenda. [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SergeantDead;27898784]the world would be a lot better if everyone were high[/QUOTE] Anyone who has done pot too much usually finds that being high because the new norm and you function like you weren't even high. And then being sober is more of an experience than being high.

[QUOTE='[DJ Ria];27879577']Why don't they just make designated areas for smokers in Central Park? That way non smokers can avoid it and smokers don't get their cigarettes banned in the entire park.[/QUOTE] Or even better, don't smoke in central park.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;27887505]The idiocy of this post aside (since nobody here is talking about guns) Guns can easily be a threat to other people. You'd need to constantly inhale second hand smoke for 50 years before developing health issues; however being shot intentionally or accidentally is an immediate health concern for obvious reasons.[/QUOTE] All the guns I've owned, and yet not a one has killed or even maimed somebody...I feel cheated :(

[QUOTE=Panda X;27887522]So just because you don't have that happening to you, no one does? I'm not neurotic, I simply have those effects. It's not like I cough for a show, it's not fun and somewhat painful and very irritating after a while.[/QUOTE] I've had fairly bad asthma since I was a child (diagnosed..). I was told that cigarette smoke would be a trigger. Over the years I've come to realize a lot of asthma is simply psychological, if you think that something is going to affect your asthma, it will. Your throat will clench and you'll have difficulty breathing, but if you relax yourself and forget about your triggers, then the wheezing and clenching will go away. Long story short, if you're neurotic and limit your exposure to [I]mildly[/I] harmful agents you'll wind up with Hygiene-related allergens. It will have an effect on you, the reason smoking makes you cough and wheeze is because you are defensive about your body functions, you panic and clench up when cigarette smoke is around. At the age of thirteen I stoppped taking all my Asthma medications, and since then in the last 6 years I've gained immunity to much of the things that were normally my allergy triggers; cat dander, dog dander, dust, cigarette smoke. In the end a lot of your "allergies" are caused by a mixture of pshycological responses and hygienical conditioning. What does all this mean? Long story short, you're a pussy. The reason cigarette smoke affects you is because you limit your exposure to it, and you have psychologically defensive body functions, you think it'll affect you, so your heart rate increases, your breathing speeds up, and you gain a false sense of an allergy attack. You don't have control over your own allergen responses, so they take control of you. [editline]7th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ridge;27900300]All the guns I've owned, and yet not a one has killed or even maimed somebody...I feel cheated :([/QUOTE] I know how you feel. I own a car and [B][I]not once[/I][/B] have I killed or injured somebody while driving. What's all this license and registration bullshit about for cars? Isn't this a free country? I've never had an accident, I think all these car accidents I hear about are just a load of crap. After all, everybody in the world is just as responsible and careful as I am.

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;27879925]Yeah, like they do in restaurants and bars. It works, it makes the whining smokers shut up and the whining non-smokers shut up.[/QUOTE] They actually banned it in restaurants and bars en tout. Ever think about how the people who seat you stopped asking "smoking or non"?

[QUOTE=O'10er;27890399]HumanAbyss loves science, except when it applies to the damaging effects of his smoking on others.[/QUOTE] [B]Anything[/B] is harmful to your health under the correct circumstances, the harmfulness of second hand smoke is constantly, time and time again taken out of context. If you are mouth to mouth with a smoker and inhale all the smoke they inhale, then it would be significantly harmful. However, even if you are sitting with a group of smokers in a smoke filled room, you'd need to be doing that constantly for most of your life before it has any impact on your health whatsoever. I've smoked cigars and pot on occasion, inhaling directly from the burning source will do significant health damage after some time, inhaling any form of hot smoke will do that. With thing like cigarettes it's not just the hot smoke that does damage, it's also the toxins in it. While they may be toxins, most smokers can smoke constantly for their entire life up until the age of 70 or 80, and even then the harmful effects are negligible. Though damage from smoking may inevitably cause their death at that age of 70 or 80, many, many things may cause your quick demise when you are at that age. Not only is second hand smoke not hot, the ammount of toxins you actually inhale are insignificant at best. You inhale more toxins when you walk by a running car. While you may not "like" second hand smoke, and while it may be inconsiderate to smoke around other people, you cannot make something illegal because it's a mild inconvenience for you, especially when it's something as trivial as [B]smoking in outdoor areas[/B]. If such laws are made, I'd be totally in favor of anybody breaking them. oops, I hit the box instead of edit. :saddowns: switching to rainbow

[QUOTE=The golden;27908105]Why the fuck should I have to inhale someones toxic, disgusting, and stinky fumes just because of their self-destructive habit? I honestly don't care if people smoke, but keep that shit out of populated areas.[/QUOTE] So does the same thing go for farts? What if they're really rank and smelly? Don't fart? Arrest the farter? Arrest the smoker? Look, I understand where you're coming from with not wanting to smell it, but so what? I have to smell car fumes when I don't want to.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27908319]So does the same thing go for farts? What if they're really rank and smelly? Don't fart? Arrest the farter? Arrest the smoker? Look, I understand where you're coming from with not wanting to smell it, but so what? I have to smell car fumes when I don't want to.[/QUOTE] Amen to that. I hate the smell of compost, but I deal with it because the outcome (beautiful garden,more food, and otherwise) is good for everyone. The fact smokers buy ciggerates benefits economies, and people's salary.

[QUOTE=FPSMango;27897226]It's not just about the other people who don't smoke, it's also about making smoking less attractive so people won't start doing it. When you get cancer and have to go to the hospital all the time you're costing the government thousand of dollars. "Government assholes! Trying to stop me from doing my totally unnecessary thing that only contribute to me dying faster" And don't pull that whole "poor guy just getting a smoke in his break" thing because you know that's just a pile of bullshit.[/QUOTE] lets ban alcohol & fast food they are totally unnecessary and only contribute to people dying faster

You guys are never going to drive this into these guys' heads. This whole argument just keeps going in circles. SECOND HAND SMOKE IS BAD not outside I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT it's no different than 'x' YES IT IS IT'S BAD FOR ME not outside and so on They're not the ones passing bills, fuck it.

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[QUOTE=The golden;27908105]Why the fuck should I have to inhale someones toxic, disgusting, and stinky fumes just because of their self-destructive habit? I honestly don't care if people smoke, but keep that shit out of populated areas.[/QUOTE] because this is (supposed to be) a free country, i think you can move three feet away from a dude in a huge public park. ps i'm not a smoker and even i think you're all being morons. [editline]7th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=RBM11;27897664]I wasn't talking about outdoor bans, I was responding to the people in this thread who claim second hand smoke is not dangerous at all. I already said I don't care if people smoke outside but if it's in a public park, there should be areas set aside to smoke in, especially if there are other people around. [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] I think this study suggests causality more than anything. [URL]http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/114/14/1490[/URL] You can read how well the study controls for variables. [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] FYI I have nothing against smokers. I do, however, have something against smokers whose addiction makes them discount valid science simply to convince themselves their habit is okay around others. I know very well the effect nicotine has on the body from cigars, dip, and once, a cigarette, which when compared to weed and even the incredibly harsh spice, was horrible on my lungs. The problem arises when you do it around others. You claim others are dicks because they don't like it when you smoke around them yet you are the ones entering the variable of the cigarette into the equation. Smoke is acrid and carcinogenic so it's very arrogant when you expect others to cater to your smoking around them. There's nothing wrong with stepping outside or smoking at home or when you happen to be around others at a park, asking them whether they mind and if they do just walk a few feet away and smoke there. They do not have to cater to your habit and it's very arrogant to expect them to, especially because of the health issues. It's like playing really loud music and expecting others to allow you only if, in addition to being annoying, the loud music could give you health problems.[/QUOTE] a few posts ago you were calling smokers junkies with a chemical addiction. you act like smokers in public go out of their way to light up in front of your face just to irritate you. case in point you're just being an asshole.

[QUOTE=O'10er;27890399]HumanAbyss loves science, except when it applies to the damaging effects of his smoking on others.[/QUOTE] There's no science that shows smoking outdoors is dangerous to others, or at least any more dangerous than the already shitty air of New York City Banning smoking in parks is retarded

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;27919077]a few posts ago you were calling smokers junkies with a chemical addiction. you act like smokers in public go out of their way to light up in front of your face just to irritate you. case in point you're just being an asshole.[/QUOTE] No I was not calling all smokers junkies just the ones in this thread whose addiction greatly impacts their ability to understand science. I apologize for not clarifying that I just think it's hilarious that this addiction can turn otherwise rational people into science deniers. No, only the ones who expect to be able to light up anywhere without people getting annoyed and then get pissed off at those who expect to not smoke around them, especially when it smells like shit and can be harmful. I never said smoking in public should be illegal just that I won't mind it in parks if it's away from everyone else. Not once did I say it should be banned in outdoor areas. Also, I started bringing up second hand smoke studies because so many people were saying it wasn't harmful. Yes I am because it's funny and because it's less harmful than second hand smoke :smug: