New York poised to ban smoking in Central Park, Times Square - Polidicks

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27928442]Can you make a real point? yes I know you don't "need" a car or anything for that matter but you wont get fired if you can't smoke for an hour and that wasn't even my main point. My main point is that one man smoking hurts many people around him and you keep on saying all this well we are not certain that smoking causes this or that junk without any backing.[/QUOTE] Yes, I keep replying to it, you keep fuckign ignoring it. We admit its bad, but it's [b]NOT THE ONLY VARIABLE IN THE EQUATION SO FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME YOU CAN'T JUST SLAP BLAME ON YOUR FUCKING AGENDA.[/b] Look at pepins posts if you want to see the fucking backing, I'm not reposting what you can read yourself, don't be lazy. And driving cars doesn't hurt people? dream on. Driving cars kills more people than second hand smoking does. Second hand smoke is bad, and contributes to cancer. Does it cause it everytime? No. Majority of times? No. It just raises your chances, but how much does it? Probably not as much as you think it does. [editline]7th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Kab2tract;27928457]It makes people sick because it is smoke.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I love how it does this [b]100% of the time to all people everywhere[/b]. Oh wait...

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27928458]Or its because smoking has toxins and causes coughing.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and what about the guy who has asthma walking by a smoker on the street? Also, read this: [url]http://www.pulmonaryreviews.com/jan05/smokingasthma.html[/url]

[i]Asked why asthma risk was lower in the heaviest smokers, Dr. Jaakkola postulated that these individuals are part of a subgroup that does not experience adverse effects from smoking. Generally, people who have adverse effects from cigarette smoke either stop smoking or reduce the daily number of cigarettes they smoke. The fact that some individuals are able to smoke heavily without developing asthma points to a genetic contribution or other factors not studied.[/i] This is all I've been fucking getting at, and that you can't legislate or hope to be reasonable based on the fact not everyone is affected by this as much. It seems I'm not, and I want to smoke. You're going to violate my rights in the name of my "health"?

[QUOTE=Veers;27864814]Why? It is a useless pastime that does nothing except give you a greater chance of getting cancer.[/QUOTE] except that they should be able to do whatever the fuck they want

And stop going down the pollution road. Car exhaust, industrial exhaust, I'm pretty sure there's a lot bigger problems in terms of air pollution and how fucked the air you breath is, that aren't involved with cigarettes. I'll give you the health argument because it is detrimental to health, that's true, but you can't start lumping more reasons on to hate it that are basically just your agenda.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;27864926][b]I DON'T LIKE THE THING YOU DO SO I FULLY SUPPORT THE GOVERNMENT BANNING YOU FROM DOING IT EVEN WHEN IT POSES NO THREAT TO Me[/b][/QUOTE] pretty much this

[QUOTE=NightmareXx;27928543]except that they should be able to do whatever the fuck they want[/QUOTE] baloney, doing what you want if it's not healthy(That means get the fuck off your computer and go do some laps you fat fucks) is WRONG WRONG WRONG

human abyss i think we broke each others automerges

we totally just did, is it like crossing swords or something? is there etiquette to this?

i dont know sir but job well done

[QUOTE=NightmareXx;27928543]except that they should be able to do whatever the fuck they want[/QUOTE] I would agree if it didn't effect other people or if humanabyss could explain why it doesn't effect other people. I lived with smokers all my life and yes second hand smoking does effect the people they are near. Now realize that when you are in a crowd it can effect many, many people you are near. Perhaps they should make smoking bars are something next to central park or something.

[QUOTE=NightmareXx;27928573]i dont know sir but job well done[/QUOTE] :respek: [editline]7th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27928582]I would agree if it didn't effect other people or if humanabyss could explain why it doesn't effect other people. I lived with smokers all my life and yes second hand smoking does effect the people they are near. Now realize that when you are in a crowd it can effect many, many people you are near. Perhaps they should make smoking bars are something next to central park or something.[/QUOTE] Can you for the last fucking time, show me how it's 100% the cause of this? CAN YOU NOT FUCKING READ? I've asked this over and over again. You are seriously facepunches Liberal Glaber.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27928582]I would agree if it didn't effect other people or if humanabyss could explain why it doesn't effect other people. I lived with smokers all my life and yes second hand smoking does effect the people they are near. Now realize that when you are in a crowd it can effect many, many people you are near. Perhaps they should make smoking bars are something next to central park or something.[/QUOTE] it doesnt have much of an effect unless you're in an enclosed space or something

[QUOTE=NightmareXx;27928595]it doesnt have much of an effect unless you're in an enclosed space or something[/QUOTE] We also keep saying this, but seriously, he's illiterate or an idiot. I'm just going with liberal glaber.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27928547]you can't start lumping more reasons on to hate it that are basically just your agenda.[/QUOTE] I dont have agenda. You are the one who seems to have it. I mean you are the one I always see talking about how smoke doesnt effect people. My only agenda is to not get smoke in my face. I dont have anything against smokers are what they smoke I just don't want me or anything who does not smoke to get sick from it.

[QUOTE=Kab2tract;27928117]Okay, there are no benefits to smoking. The "relief" is probably mostly from the withdrawals being stopped.[/QUOTE] Are you implying that people smoke because there are perceived health benefits? Like most people in this thread, you need to make a distinction between people who are addicted and people who aren't. People who aren't addicted smoke because they like: the head rush, the smell, smoking overall because it is fun, the social experiance, and more. There is some odd mentality in this thread that all smokers are addicts. [QUOTE=Kab2tract;27928117]it costs people lots of money in various ways including: health in long-term, harming children/fetuses, the people buying the cigarettes (though it does support the people selling). Reckless smokers can cause fires, and litter their cigs all over the place, defiling a city's air (though there are much worse things, including automotives) and ground. It causes slowness in workplaces for "smoke-breaks" if it is needed in excess to normal breaks.[/quote] Yes, and now let's ban alcohol because it has all the same effects and it actually does kill people. Beer cans and bottles are often littered in cities and especially college campuses. Defiling the city air is such a bad claim to make. I'm quite sure hangovers would cause a bigger impact on productive than a smoking break. As far as I'm aware, people just smoke on their break, it's not like their get special break times while everyone else still has to work. [B]Try comparing the long term effects of tobacco against the short term effects of alcohol.[/B] [QUOTE=Kab2tract;27928117]I think that bannings like these are necessary, and that governments should start programs/supplying products for people to quit. I know people will be like, "But it's their bodies!" Yeah, it is, but it DOES harm other people in multiple ways. Yeah, but it is an unnecessary cause. Also, just because a couple of people live a very long time whilst smoking, they could've probably lived longer, and better, if they weren't.[/quote] Great idea, let's have the government run some terrible program wasting tax dollars to get people to quit smoking. I think the whole harming other people argument has been refuted enough, so there is no use in using a rebuttal when you could just read a few posts back. You're also coming from the perspective that "oh I know what is best for you, screw what you want to do regardless of being aware of the risks". [QUOTE=Kab2tract;27928117]My grandma is 75, and she smoked probably 1/3 of her life, she felt the best when she wasn't smoking, and then started again. But now her lungs are falling apart and she is suicidal.[/QUOTE] Your grandmother is 75. At that age, people start falling apart. Oh wait, I just realized it is story time. My great grandfather smoked all his life. When he was 90 something he ended up in a local news paper because he was still a regular at the gym, and not just lifting petty weights, but doing some real exercising. His body eventually started breaking down and he got weaker and weaker until he died. This story is actually factual but it doesn't mean absolutely anything because one story about one person does not prove anything. You can have a whole string of stories and they don't mean anything. All that matters is good scientific research.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27928586] Can you for the last fucking time, show me how it's 100% the cause of this? CAN YOU NOT FUCKING READ? I've asked this over and over again. You are seriously facepunches Liberal Glaber.[/QUOTE] First im not a democrat and 2nd I never said it was 100% of the cause. your the one ranting about how it barely effects people. I think your the one that should who needs to show me what effect you think it has on people.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27928612]I dont have agenda. You are the one who seems to have it. I mean you are the one I always see talking about how smoke doesnt effect people. My only agenda is to not get smoke in my face. I dont have anything against smokers are what they smoke I just don't want me or anything who does not smoke to get sick from it.[/QUOTE] So you don't have an agenda? You aren't ignoring shit? You blamed fucking pollution on it but you're going to defend cars? Yeah, I have an agenda, defend my habit from overzealous people over stepping their boundaries into my life. You have no right to tell me I can't fucking smoke. You know what I've said about smokes effect on people you illiterate child? Smoking is harmful, second hand smoke is possibly harmful under circumstances. How are you so illiterate? [editline]7th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27928634]First im not a democrat and 2nd I never said it was 100% of the cause. your the one ranting about how it barely effects people. I think your the one that should who needs to show me what effect you think it has on people.[/QUOTE] Read. My. Fucking. Words.

I came to this thread (again) and immediately thought of this. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu_cYrDFU18[/media]

[QUOTE=Mad Chatter;27928700]I came to this thread (again) and immediately thought of this. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu_cYrDFU18[/media][/QUOTE] Love that scene Smoking inside though? Fuck that. Especially with cigars.

Okay, don't ban it, but read this list at least and at least reconsider smoking. [url]http://ydouthink.com/joomla/content/view/31/40/[/url] Unfortunately, there is no source, but I am sure you could look almost all up and find proper sources. None of them seem far fetched. This isn't part of the "argument", I am just posting it for info.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27928642]overzealous people[/QUOTE] [quote]You have no right to tell me I can't fucking smoke. You know what I've said about smokes effect on people you illiterate child?[/quote] just pointing this out. But really whats with the rage? It seems you smoke so make it seem like its not bad at all. I mean your really over reacting I dont want to take away your smokes I just dont want your habit to effect other people. when your smoking can get 50 people around you to cough then I say your "right" is intruding onto others. sure you say 2nd hand smoke is not that bad but could you please give links because after looking it up myself it seems yes it can and does effect the people around you by a lot. Can you give just give me a link or something that shows 2nd hand smoke is not that bad? I mean finding the link should take less time then typing and posting about how stupid I am.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27928717]just pointing this out. But really whats with the rage? It seems you smoke so make it seem like its not bad at all. I mean your really over reacting I dont want to take away your smokes I just dont want your habit to effect other people. when your smoking can get 50 people around you to cough then I say your "right" is intruding onto others. sure you say 2nd hand smoke is not that bad but could you please give links because after looking it up myself it seems yes it can and does effect the people around you by a lot. Can you give just give me a link or something that shows 2nd hand smoke is not that bad? I mean finding the link should take less time then typing and posting about how stupid I am.[/QUOTE] You know why I rage? Because you're literally fucking illiterate. You're not reading the shit I say. Read pepins posts for the links, I'm not going back. There all over the place here. You know why else? False assumptions that smoking is the variable causing things. You're not getting this, and I'm just going to attribute this to your glaberness, but, in all of these people that have ever been involved in these studies, they can't isolate nearly enough variables to prove that second hand smoke is the matter of fact cause of this shit. [editline]7th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Kab2tract;27928716]Okay, don't ban it, but read this list at least and at least reconsider smoking. [url]http://ydouthink.com/joomla/content/view/31/40/[/url] Unfortunately, there is no source, but I am sure you could look almost all up and find proper sources. None of them seem far fetched. This isn't part of the "argument", I am just posting it for info.[/QUOTE] Oh cool, a list of common wife tales that has been thrown together and are "true".

When did agreeing with studies become assuming. I mean I think I would be assuming if I agreed with your proofless posts. Im sorry but I cant find the link and I was not here when he posted it. I mean Im glaber for not agreeing with you for no reason. Unlike glaber I base look at what science has to say about things. Im sorry but it seems you try to think your smoking doesnt effect people just so you can smoke in front of them.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27928737]You know why I rage? Because you're literally fucking illiterate. You're not reading the shit I say. Read pepins posts for the links, I'm not going back. There all over the place here. You know why else? False assumptions that smoking is the variable causing things. You're not getting this, and I'm just going to attribute this to your glaberness, but, in all of these people that have ever been involved in these studies, they can't isolate nearly enough variables to prove that second hand smoke is the matter of fact cause of this shit.[/QUOTE] Alright I'm going to stop you to tell you to stop replying to this person and to add them to your ignore list. You shouldn't argue with the irrational and grammatically challenged.

[QUOTE=Pepin;27928766]Alright I'm going to stop you to tell you to stop replying to this person and to add them to your ignore list. You don't argue with the irrational and grammatically challenged.[/QUOTE] I'm going to take your advice. Thanks. Piggy, if you'd actually read my posts, and actually try and connect ideas for yourself, I wouldn't mind talking to you, but you're not doing any of that.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27928737] [editline]7th February 2011[/editline] Oh cool, a list of common wife tales that has been thrown together and are "true".[/QUOTE] Maybe if you researched, you would be able to tell the difference. [img]http://www.healthwatchcenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/causes-of-death-smoking.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Pepin;27928766]Alright I'm going to stop you to tell you to stop replying to this person and to add them to your ignore list. You shouldn't argue with the irrational and grammatically challenged.[/QUOTE] Really all im asking is for a link. why is this so hard? Its not irrational to be asking for one. I mean not you or human have gave backed up anything you said and call me ignorant for not believing you.

[QUOTE=Kab2tract;27928791]Maybe if you researched, you would be able to tell the difference. [img_thumb]http://www.healthwatchcenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/causes-of-death-smoking.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Except you have no idea which of those i'm calling false so nice assumptions. Yeah, SMOKING KILLS. SMOKING IS BAD. YES. WE KNOW. Smoking however, doesn't cause all of those things, it doesn't cause a lot of them to very many(Meaning it's not just the cig, it's other genetic factors too, you're all so happy to ignore) people.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27928811]Except you have no idea which of those i'm calling false so nice assumptions. Yeah, SMOKING KILLS. SMOKING IS BAD. YES. WE KNOW. Smoking however, doesn't cause all of those things, it doesn't cause a lot of them to very many(Meaning it's not just the cig, it's other genetic factors too, you're all so happy to ignore) people.[/QUOTE] [quote=HumanAbyss]Oh cool, a list of common wife tales that has been thrown together and are "true"[/quote]