Turkey: Israel is a terrorist state that massacres children - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mike42012;38523339]Also something I find funny is this promotion of 'Judeo-Christian' values. It used to never be like this, Christians [I]hated [/I] Jews, nowadays, the Christians will do whatever they say. [editline]20th November 2012[/editline] Muslims are the odd-one-out.[/QUOTE] Christians were against jews during the communist fever and its noticable in books written in the 80s and before. Zionism is usually a collective term applying to Jews and Christians who believe that establishing Zion will bring about God/Christ/Saviour. Muslims find it interesting that in the end, whatever their god told them, about jews and christians getting together to fight them, turned out to be true after-all. This book is an interesting read about how Christians saw jews before muslims became the focus. [IMG]http://www.texemarrs.com/images/israel_our_duty_dilemma_cover.jpg[/IMG] I know most people will call the author crazy and side line him for believing in the protocols or whatever, regardless, the book uses the Talmud to explain events leading right upto the creation of israel (and the war crimes after) and how Christians should act about it. [editline]20th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=scout1;38523374]Do you have a source that isn't a biased shitstain It's not that I don't like you, it's just that it's RT[/QUOTE] I know how much FP hates or (is lead to hate RT) because some of their articles are pure bullshit. For that, before I post anything from RT, I make sure there are western sources/newspapers reporting the same (most of the time they are biased shitstains if they report interesting news). Also, RT is a fun site, mostly because they like to pick up anti-west news, something that is not covered in the west or censored or sugar coated. It gives a sense of balance to read news from different perspectives. Did that for Sharon and the Rabbi, found the sources, use Google.

I really wish that the US would get their heads out of their asses and stop supporting the country that completely took over Palestine and ran thousands of people out of their homes and turning their towns into settlements guarded by the Israeli army.Shit's ridiculous.

RT is fine 99% of the time, I don't see anything wrong with the article they wrote. Its really your fault if you view the "opinion" section of their site as news.

Most of Europe doesn't get it why the US is working together with Israel, it is a shit country born with chains and trying to put chains on other countries.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38523063]Who is "they"? Israel, Hamas or both?[/QUOTE] Hamas needs to be punished for firing rockets into iseral. We (America) did the same thing when our towers fell. We went over there and fucking demolished shit. We accidentally killed alot of civilians but once again, That's War. Israel has been trying it's best to localize there blasts to exactly where the mortar came from. Why is it not an issue that the civilians surrounded by hamas firing arn't doing anything about it? Hamas could use an apartment building roof to fire makeshift missiles or mortars and no one in the apartment building complains or tries to stop it? Really? All that says to me is that they are apart of it or want to see it happen, If so then what's Israel doing wrong?

I also find it weird that the Israelis are currently acting up against Iran, when without Persia the Jews would've perished in Babylon and during the Story of Esther. Cyrus saved them out of kindness and respect for their right to practice their religion. And yet here we are today, a terrible government in Israel fighting the phantom shadow of the Empire and it's terrible government. On another note; Pisses me off that Persia got the short straw, especially since it was basically the 'US of today', what with it's women's rights, satraps and human rights in general. Also pisses me off that good ol' Alexander didn't seek an alliance with Persia and vice versa, and then both got annihilated by the Romans and Arabs later. Imagine if those two war-mongering states could've signed an alliance. It would've been an unstoppable military force (Alexander + Immortals) backed by an unstoppable administrative force (Persian monarchy/satrap courts and Greek hierarchy). But nope, both the Greeks and my ancestors decided to kill each other, and now both countries are left fighting over the scraps of their former greatness.

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;38523462]Hamas needs to be punished for firing rockets into iseral. We (America) did the same thing when our towers fell. We went over there and fucking demolished shit. We accidentally killed alot of civilians but once again, That's War. Israel has been trying it's best to localize there blasts to exactly where the mortar came from. Why is it not an issue that the civilians surrounded by hamas firing arn't doing anything about it? Hamas could use an apartment building roof to fire makeshift missiles or mortars and no one in the apartment building complains or tries to stop it? Really? All that says to me is that they are apart of it or want to see it happen, If so then what's Israel doing wrong?[/QUOTE] They did start this recent conflict after fucking assassinating a government official. Israel has done more to the Palestinians then their stupid rockets have done to the Israeli people, by a long shot. I'm not advocating it but I'd rather the two children sit the fuck down and be forced at gunpoint to compromise.

[QUOTE=laserguided;38523522]They did start this recent conflict after fucking assassinating a government official. Israel has done more to the Palestinians then their stupid rockets have done to the Israeli people, by a long shot. I'm not advocating it but I'd rather the two children sit the fuck down and be forced at gunpoint to compromise.[/QUOTE] The government official was a leader of hamas, There was zero wrong with killing him.

I find this statement funny coming for a state that denies genocide.

[QUOTE=scout1;38521710]But apparently nobody wants to define what firing rockets from civilian areas is? Is that defending themselves by using civilians as shields?[/QUOTE] Ever heard of guerrilla tactics? When you're outnumbered and outgunned, you resort to guerrilla tactics. What do you expect them to do, go stand in the middle of the fuckin desert?

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;38523536]The government official was a leader of hamas, There was zero wrong with killing him.[/QUOTE] Thus the assassination of Netanyahu is justified since he is the leader of Likud.

[QUOTE=aydin690;38523538]Ever heard of guerrilla tactics? When you're outnumbered and outgunned, you resort to guerrilla tactics. What do you expect them to do, go stand in the middle of the fuckin desert?[/QUOTE] I expect them to take a modicum of measures to reduce casualties. Guerilla tactics do not mean you get a blank check to wage total war.

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;38523536]The government official was a leader of hamas, There was zero wrong with killing him.[/QUOTE] Why, because it's a terrorist organization? Terrorists to you are heroes to other people. There is wrong in starting another conflict before an election to garner more votes.

[QUOTE=laserguided;38523554]Thus the assassination of Netanyahu is justified since he is the leader of Likud.[/QUOTE] So we can keep going and going then, Obama being assassinated is okay for killing osama? and every other leader? This is never ending then

[QUOTE=scout1;38523560]I expect them to take a modicum of measures to reduce casualties. Guerilla tactics do not mean you get a blank check to wage total war.[/QUOTE] They don't invite residents into buildings and then lock the doors, fire missiles and run away.

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;38523564]So we can keep going and going then, Obama being assassinated is okay for killing osama? and every other leader? This is never ending then[/QUOTE] By your logic it is.

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[QUOTE=CubeManv2;38523564]So we can keep going and going then, Obama being assassinated is okay for killing osama? and every other leader? This is never ending then[/QUOTE] Yes it is, because the initial statement was fundamentally flawed. 'I'm going to kill someone I think is bad because I think he's bad'.

[QUOTE=C47;38523571]Only according to those states that consider hamas as a "terrorist organization". So, if Turkey thinks Israel is a terrorist state, its ok to go and just kill government officials of Israel?[/QUOTE] It is certainly justified, according to CubeManv2

[QUOTE=C47;38523571]Only according to those states that consider hamas as a "terrorist organization". So, if Turkey thinks Israel is a terrorist state, its ok to go and just kill government officials of Israel?[/QUOTE] Right there.

[QUOTE=laserguided;38523568]By your logic it is.[/QUOTE] But you forgot the part of logic where the rest of the world sees Hamas as bad. Therefor it's not justified to kill Netanyahu. Just like it's not justified to kill Obama cause he killed osama cause the whole world saw osama as bad.

[QUOTE=Mike42012;38523561]Why, because it's a terrorist organization? Terrorists to you are heroes to other people. There is wrong in starting another conflict before an election to garner more votes.[/QUOTE] So you can prove that the whole point of Israel's recent operation is some sort of voter confidence trick Well okay then I'm listening

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;38523580]But you forgot the part of logic where the rest of the world sees Hamas as bad. Therefor it's not justified to kill Netanyahu. Just like it's not justified to kill Obama cause he killed osama cause the whole world saw osama as bad.[/QUOTE] But Netanyahu is bad. He is the leader of a ultra nationalist party that threatens the lives of innocent civilians across Palestine. He is a terrorist leader.

[QUOTE=scout1;38523583]So you can prove that the whole point of Israel's recent operation is some sort of voter confidence trick Well okay then I'm listening[/QUOTE] The event precedes elections by a few months, started with Israeli aggression, based in part because Netanyahu has control over what goes on in the military. It's not a particularly far stretch to think that he will benefit by coming to protect his cowering nation on his mighty white steed. It won't be 'proven' until the event is over. But I will be assuming this, so come to me after Jan 22nd. [editline]20th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=CubeManv2;38523580]But you forgot the part of logic where the rest of the world sees Hamas as bad. Therefor it's not justified to kill Netanyahu. Just like it's not justified to kill Obama cause he killed osama cause the whole world saw osama as bad.[/QUOTE] 'The rest of the world' does not align with western values. Where some countries see a terrorist group, others see a proxy, others see heroes, others see bastards. It's all relative to the flag that you stand behind.

[QUOTE=laserguided;38523594]But Netanyahu is bad. He is the leader of a ultra nationalist party that threatens the lives of innocent civilians across Palestine. He is a terrorist leader.[/QUOTE] All your doing is just twisting stuff around, The plain fact is Hamas is bad to the entire world whereas Israel isn't. Maybe your ethnicity is blindly defending Palestine or something but I have issues with Israel on other keynotes. Go ahead and say "It's not the whole world", Well guess what the majority of the world isn't going to do anything about it because Hamas [i]needs to go.[/i] What your saying so far in this thread is that it's okay for Israel to be bombed but for them not to fight back. Hamas is firing rockets and missiles into Israel no matter what they do. They could sit on there hands for a month and Hamas will still fire rockets and shit. I fully support the fact Israel is throwing it right back at them. People consider Hamas heros? Well people considered Osama and his gang heroes too? So far it's been over a decade of war trying to clean them out. They don't give a shit either. We could sit on base all day and they will eventually just start shelling it even though American Troops haven't done any movements or caused any casualties for the past month. [b]They are Terrorists, They don't give a fuck. They just want to cause blind destruction.[/b]

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;38523462]Hamas needs to be punished for firing rockets into iseral. We (America) did the same thing when our towers fell. We went over there and fucking demolished shit. We accidentally killed alot of civilians but once again, That's War. [/QUOTE] the iraq war, notable for how it wasn't an internationally condemned event

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;38523618]All your doing is just twisting stuff around, The plain fact is Hamas is bad to the entire world whereas Israel isn't. Maybe your ethnicity is blindly defending Palestine or something but I have issues with Israel on other keynotes. Go ahead and say "It's not the whole world", Well guess what the majority of the world isn't going to do anything about it because Hamas [i]needs to go.[/i] What your saying so far in this thread is that it's okay for Israel to be bombed but for them not to fight back. Hamas is firing rockets and missiles into Israel no matter what they do. They could sit on there hands for a month and Hamas will still fire rockets and shit. I fully support the fact Israel is throwing it right back at them. People consider Hamas heros? Well people considered Osama and his gang heroes too? So far it's been over a decade of war trying to clean them out. They don't give a shit either. We could sit on base all day and they will eventually just start shelling it even though American Troops haven't done any movements or caused any casualties for the past month. [b]They are Terrorists, They don't give a fuck. They just want to cause blind destruction.[/b][/QUOTE] I don't consider him a terrorist, I consider him a threat to middle eastern peace. I was merely mocking your calling Hamas leader a terrorist just because people aligned with your views say he is. And indeed, by most of the world excluding the United States, Israel isn't liked for their actives and treatment of Palestine. [editline]19th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Marbalo;38523625]Likud is a centre-right, conservative party.[/QUOTE] But they form a coalition with a Ultra-nationalist party. Either way they're nationalists.

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;38523580]But you forgot the part of logic where the rest of the world sees Hamas as bad. Therefor it's not justified to kill Netanyahu. Just like it's not justified to kill Obama cause he killed osama cause the whole world saw osama as bad.[/QUOTE] No, the west sees hamas 'as bad'. Most of the countries in the region see israel as the terrorists and occupiers.

[QUOTE=laserguided;38523644]I don't consider him a terrorist, I consider him a threat to middle eastern peace. I was merely mocking your calling Hamas leader a terrorist just because people aligned with your views say he is. And indeed, by most of the world excluding the United States, Israel isn't liked for their actives and treatment of Palestine.[/QUOTE] My grandparents who blindly defend isreal asked me what i think about this situation, Everytime I just respond "Peace? Boom! Peace." When you have two complete different faiths fighting over the same land (Which in the end, that's what it is.) It's not going to end. The regular jewish people and regular Muslims don't give two fucks about this war shit and just want to live life. But sadly the extremists are in power on both sides and have there greasy fingers inside the political system on both ends. (Yes I'm saying Israel's government probably has plenty of corruption outside of it).

[QUOTE=Mike42012;38523608]The event precedes elections by a few months, started with Israeli aggression, based in part because Netanyahu has control over what goes on in the military. It's not a particularly far stretch to think that he will benefit by coming to protect his cowering nation on his mighty white steed. It won't be 'proven' until the event is over. But I will be assuming this, so come to me after Jan 22nd. [/QUOTE] lol I guess Sandy really was Obama's secret CIA program