Turkey: Israel is a terrorist state that massacres children - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38529451]I'd like to know the following, just to clear some thoughts in my head: Does Hamas/Palestine have a formal, standing military? Because if it doesn't, then I would assume everyone who fires rockets into Israel is for all points and purposes, civilians. If that is so, then even if Israel kills those who are firing rockets, that would count toward a [I]civilian[/I] kill instead of a [I]military[/I] one, even if it's the right target. With that in mind, what is there to distinguish deaths in Gaza between actual innocents and those firing rockets (other than death of children, because that would be obvious)? A dead innocent in Gaza looks just like a dead rocket launcher, correct?[/QUOTE] They wear uniforms and most of the time ski masks. [IMG]http://lh5.ggpht.com/_qbT9lfmNQI0/Sam77eXimFI/AAAAAAAABk8/M1FyBwQ6Y3E/hamas11.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=laserguided;38529482]They wear uniforms and most of the time ski masks. [IMG]http://lh5.ggpht.com/_qbT9lfmNQI0/Sam77eXimFI/AAAAAAAABk8/M1FyBwQ6Y3E/hamas11.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Is it a government military or a paramilitary group of Hamas? There's a big difference, and different in international law with how you're allowed to deal with as well, I believe.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38529550]Is it a government military or a paramilitary group of Hamas? There's a big difference, and different in international law with how you're allowed to deal with as well, I believe.[/QUOTE] They have a Hamas police force and a Hamas military. Its government.

[QUOTE=OzOMighty;38526704]No, we didn't try anything, no offering to live side by side, no repetitive offerings of peaceful agreements, no giving them lands, nothing at all! Hamas doesn't want none of those, I can understand them because that's not what they desire since before 1948. I'll explain as simple as I can. Hamas doesn't want [B]1 Jewish person[/B] in Israel, NONE, and to make it even more complicated to solve, they prefer us DEAD.. Mort, мертвый, 死, νεκρός död, What's here to solve? It's so simple![/QUOTE] Gunna need a some sources to back that up, unless you are just rambling ignorantly.

[QUOTE=The golden;38521612]Good. Someone's gotta say it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, you're absolutely right. More wisdom?

"lack of representation for Muslim countries on the UN Security Counci" oh NOOOOOO~

[QUOTE=Carnage2323;38530479]Gunna need a some sources to back that up, unless you are just rambling ignorantly.[/QUOTE] What's there to backup? Muslim extremists aim to destroy anyone who isn't a muslim, beginning with their mortal enemies, Jews. Hamas is an organization aimed to destroy our existence, not fight the ''occupation''. They just executed an old man for ''spying for Israel'', tied his naked body to a bike and rode around town to show what happens to traitors - how can anyone be on this side of the conflict.

[QUOTE=MoarFunz;38530629]What's there to backup? Muslim extremists aim to destroy anyone who isn't a muslim, beginning with their mortal enemies, Jews. Hamas is an organization aimed to destroy our existence, not fight the ''occupation''. They just executed an old man for ''spying for Israel'', tied his naked body to a bike and rode around town to show what happens to traitors - how can anyone be on this side of the conflict.[/QUOTE] How can anybody be on the side of Israel? Their aim is to destroy a future Palestinian state, which is why they build religious, and dare I say extremist settlements in Palestine? They treat Gaza like their own little concentration camp aswell, they intentionally starve them as punishment.

More rockets hitting Gaza, shits loud yo

[QUOTE=OzOMighty;38526704]No, we didn't try anything, no offering to live side by side, no repetitive offerings of peaceful agreements, no giving them lands, nothing at all![/QUOTE] Giving the Palestinians land? What land *could* that have even been, if not land already invaded and consequently occupied by the IDF? Even including the unilateral engagement plan, Israel still has a ridiculous number of settlements in non-Israeli territory, (yes, most entirely in the West Bank, but then again the West Bank is the largest part of Palestine to begin with) so how is "leaving land that we took" anywhere near "giving someone else land"?

IDF just bombed AFP's Gaza office in defence of Israel.

[QUOTE=laserguided;38530912]IDF just bombed AFP's Gaza office in defence of Israel.[/QUOTE] Clearly they were being used as human shields [editline]20th November 2012[/editline] Apparently there some reports that Israel has been using white phosphorous on the Palestinians. Not sure if it's true or not Have this for now [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot2pAsDGlQE[/media] [editline]20th November 2012[/editline] Also this [url]http://www.presstv.ir/detail/273465.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Carnage2323;38530923]Clearly they were being used as human shields [editline]20th November 2012[/editline] Apparently there some reports that Israel has been using white phosphorous on the Palestinians. Not sure if it's true or not Have this for now [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot2pAsDGlQE[/media] [editline]20th November 2012[/editline] Also this [url]http://www.presstv.ir/detail/273465.html[/url][/QUOTE] just for the record presstv.ir is extreme bullshit and you should never take anything they say seriously. hint: iran state news.

[QUOTE=MoarFunz;38530629]What's there to backup? Muslim extremists aim to destroy anyone who isn't a muslim, beginning with their mortal enemies, Jews. Hamas is an organization aimed to destroy our existence, not fight the ''occupation''. They just executed an old man for ''spying for Israel'', tied his naked body to a bike and rode around town to show what happens to traitors - how can anyone be on this side of the conflict.[/QUOTE] so basically all of your evidence is hearsay and rumors then lol, if this is the general mindset of israeli citizens, then i'm genuinely afraid for the middle east as a whole

[QUOTE=Mon;38532911]so basically all of your evidence is hearsay and rumors then lol, if this is the general mindset of israeli citizens, then i'm genuinely afraid for the middle east as a whole[/QUOTE] You haven't even seen all the IDF posts :v:

Eh, this is really like the pot calling the kettle black. Israeli government's own despicable actions with Palestinians was more or less replicated with the Turkish government's handling of the Kurdish issue in their own country. And they used to help each other in doing that too.

[QUOTE=wallyroberto_2;38529359]It probably has something to do with all those civilians Israel has killed.[/QUOTE] Right.. we started it all. [QUOTE=Carnage2323;38530479]Gunna need a some sources to back that up, unless you are just rambling ignorantly.[/QUOTE] What's there to back up? Haven't you seen footage of 4 year olds with guns and terrorist outfits with bombs strapped or isn't that enough for you, I guess regular kids do that every day right? 1948 - Israel offered Palestine peace and a real fair share of the land considering where they lived and where we lived (WHICH IS MUCH MORE THAN WHAT THEY HAVE TODAY) That's the famous refuse of the Palestine to a great deal to live side by side, but then they attacked with all other neighboring countries and we kicked all of their asses, even though we are not allowed to according to the world's opinion. Other than that before and after 2000 there were many projects of peace all apart from one project initiated by Israel - one by Palestinian activist and some Jordanian. [QUOTE=MoarFunz;38530629]They just executed an old man for ''spying for Israel'', tied his naked body to a bike and rode around town to show what happens to traitors - how can anyone be on this side of the conflict.[/QUOTE] See how humane the Hamas are? I'm finding it real hard to understand how the world still finds sympathy for such monsters. Even if Israel was even MORE humane than it could possibly be (and even if you're 100% ignorant you'll still recognize) you'll still be pro Palestine, just because you can't change your political opinion in one day.

Ceasefire deadline has passed with no word of a successful treaty. [editline]21st November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=OzOMighty;38536023]Right.. we started it all. What's there to back up? Haven't you seen footage of 4 year olds with guns and terrorist outfits with bombs strapped or isn't that enough for you, I guess regular kids do that every day right? 1948 - Israel offered Palestine peace and a real fair share of the land considering where they lived and where we lived (WHICH IS MUCH MORE THAN WHAT THEY HAVE TODAY) That's the famous refuse of the Palestine to a great deal to live side by side, but then they attacked with all other neighboring countries and we kicked all of their asses, even though we are not allowed to according to the world's opinion. Other than that before and after 2000 there were many projects of peace all apart from one project initiated by Israel - one by Palestinian activist and some Jordanian. See how humane the Hamas are? I'm finding it real hard to understand how the world still finds sympathy for such monsters. Even if Israel was even MORE humane than it could possibly be (and even if you're 100% ignorant you'll still recognize) you'll still be pro Palestine, just because you can't change your political opinion in one day.[/QUOTE] yeah those 110+ dead how unsavage

[QUOTE=OzOMighty;38536023]1948 - Israel offered Palestine peace and a real fair share of the land considering where they lived and where we lived (WHICH IS MUCH MORE THAN WHAT THEY HAVE TODAY) That's the famous refuse of the Palestine to a great deal to live side by side, but then they attacked with all other neighboring countries and we kicked all of their asses, even though we are not allowed to according to the world's opinion. Other than that before and after 2000 there were many projects of peace all apart from one project initiated by Israel - one by Palestinian activist and some Jordanian.[/QUOTE] Except that this 'offer' in 1948 was a unilateral action by Israel to declare independence over the entire area assigned to them in the UN partition plan which had not yet been enacted. An area, which, let me remind you, did not consist of areas with majority Jewish land ownership, majority Jewish population, majority Jewish anything. There were only a small handful of sub-districts in the north, nearer to Syria, that had a majority of Jewish land ownership, and you want to call this an offer of land to the Palestinians? Yes, the land they would have hypothetically gotten is more than they have today, but then explain to me why it would unacceptable for the Israelis to go back to that or even the '1967' borders? If it is because Israelis would have to be moved out of settlements or otherwise shifted, then explain why it was excusable to ask Arabs to leave the land they were currently inhabiting in 1948?

I think, coming from an outside perspective, the day to day repression Palestinians feel could drive any marginalized group to arms. It doesn't help the fact that there has been an anti Jewish sentiment in that area since before modern Israel was created. Both sides do their share of actions that only perpetuate the situation. The shame is at this rate Israel will either push most if not all Palestinians from their borders or assimilate them over a long period. I think Palestine has a right to govern itself free of Israel but, the more radical groups will always persue violence. I would just hope Israel would use more restraint on the actions they take against them.

[QUOTE=Kane245;38536654]I think, coming from an outside perspective, the day to day repression Palestinians feel could drive any marginalized group to arms. It doesn't help the fact that there has been an anti Jewish sentiment in that area since before modern Israel was created. Both sides do their share of actions that only perpetuate the situation. The shame is at this rate Israel will either push most if not all Palestinians from their borders or assimilate them over a long period. I think Palestine has a right to govern itself free of Israel but, the more radical groups will always persue violence. I would just hope Israel would use more restraint on the actions they take against them.[/QUOTE] That last part would be awesome but will never exist

He spoke for all of us.

[QUOTE=Megafan;38536384]Except that this 'offer' in 1948 was a unilateral action by Israel to declare independence over the entire area assigned to them in the UN partition plan which had not yet been enacted. An area, which, let me remind you, did not consist of areas with majority Jewish land ownership, majority Jewish population, majority Jewish anything. There were only a small handful of sub-districts in the north, nearer to Syria, that had a majority of Jewish land ownership, and you want to call this an offer of land to the Palestinians? Yes, the land they would have hypothetically gotten is more than they have today, but then explain to me why it would unacceptable for the Israelis to go back to that or even the '1967' borders? If it is because Israelis would have to be moved out of settlements or otherwise shifted, then explain why it was excusable to ask Arabs to leave the land they were currently inhabiting in 1948?[/QUOTE] So white people that conquered and established a country in a much larger land (North America) isn't justified too. Let me remind you that they didn't ask the UN to establish a country, they just violently conquered North America. Correct me if I'm wrong but they didn't ask the local people permission or find a plan to divide North America, or peace treaty. I guess it's different when it comes to evil Zionist Jews. We won't give more land because last time that Ariel Sharon did it, they just gained more range for their rockets, so it doesn't seem like a smart decision any more. The simple question is, what would your country do if Palestine, that pimple was stuck in YOUR neighborhood launching rockets into London or where ever you are from, and still ASK for more land even though their real goal is to kick you out of the whole country and if there is an opportunity, to kill you... Oh and just one small addition, the world wants you to give up your land and give it to the Palestinians. [QUOTE=Carnage2323;38536053]yeah those 110+ dead how unsavage[/QUOTE] You know what I said is true that's why nobody ever comments on the truth, you're just stating statistics all the time with nothing to claim. You can keep being stubborn and praise a culture of killing, massacres, terrorism and hate just to NOT praise the Israeli people, even though they simply live to love and love to live. [QUOTE=Kane245;38536654]I think, coming from an outside perspective, the day to day repression Palestinians feel could drive any marginalized group to arms. It doesn't help the fact that there has been an anti Jewish sentiment in that area since before modern Israel was created. Both sides do their share of actions that only perpetuate the situation. The shame is at this rate Israel will either push most if not all Palestinians from their borders or assimilate them over a long period. I think Palestine has a right to govern itself free of Israel but, the more radical groups will always persue violence. I would just hope Israel would use more restraint on the actions they take against them.[/QUOTE] That's what you think of the situation? Fine, would you accept to have Gaza stuck to your country? Please just take them away from us. [editline]21st November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=OzOMighty;38538214]So white people that conquered and established a country in a much larger land (North America) isn't justified too. Let me remind you that they didn't ask the UN to establish a country, they just violently conquered North America. Correct me if I'm wrong but they didn't ask the local people permission or find a plan to divide North America, or peace treaty. I guess it's different when it comes to evil Zionist Jews. We won't give more land because last time that Ariel Sharon did it, they just gained more range for their rockets, so it doesn't seem like a smart decision any more. The simple question is, what would your country do if Palestine, that pimple was stuck in YOUR neighborhood launching rockets into London or where ever you are from, and still ASK for more land even though their real goal is to kick you out of the whole country and if there is an opportunity, to kill you... Oh and just one small addition, the world wants you to give up your land and give it to the Palestinians. You know what I said is true that's why nobody ever comments on the truth, you're just stating statistics all the time with nothing to claim. You can keep being stubborn and praise a culture of killing, massacres, terrorism and hate just to NOT praise the Israeli people, even though they simply live to love and love to live. That's what you think of the situation? Fine, would you accept to have Gaza stuck to your country? Please just take them away from us.[/QUOTE] [B]Does images explain the differences between a hate state and a loving civilization?[/B] [IMG]https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/262056_10151539071619852_1052871654_n.jpg[/IMG]

Turkey is one of the most hypocritic countries in the world. They criticise israel for oppressing while doing the same tenfolds to the kurds. Foreign media loves to rant about israel as it is a rating goldmine,but nobody gives a fuck about all the opressed peoples of the world. [QUOTE=Megafan;38530874]Giving the Palestinians land? What land *could* that have even been, if not land already invaded and consequently occupied by the IDF? Even including the unilateral engagement plan, Israel still has a ridiculous number of settlements in non-Israeli territory, (yes, most entirely in the West Bank, but then again the West Bank is the largest part of Palestine to begin with) so how is "leaving land that we took" anywhere near "giving someone else land"?[/QUOTE] The osslo agrrements,israels retreat from gaza. Also we never gave them the west bank we gave them a few cities over whom they have complete and total control,to the point that they fucked up with that control and are in deep economic problems. Also FYI when israel left gaza we gave gaza to the fatah,their rule lasted there 1 day before they were outsted by the terrorist group hamas.

[QUOTE=OzOMighty;38538214]So white people that conquered and established a country in a much larger land (North America) isn't justified too. Let me remind you that they didn't ask the UN to establish a country, they just violently conquered North America. Correct me if I'm wrong but they didn't ask the local people permission or find a plan to divide North America, or peace treaty. I guess it's different when it comes to evil Zionist Jews. We won't give more land because last time that Ariel Sharon did it, they just gained more range for their rockets, so it doesn't seem like a smart decision any more. The simple question is, what would your country do if Palestine, that pimple was stuck in YOUR neighborhood launching rockets into London or where ever you are from, and still ASK for more land even though their real goal is to kick you out of the whole country and if there is an opportunity, to kill you... Oh and just one small addition, the world wants you to give up your land and give it to the Palestinians.[/QUOTE] Well for one, I do think colonization was a morally wrong thing to do. You will garner no points playing that card. Secondly, you clearly are under the assumption that even considering the establishment of the borders of a Palestinian state (likely the '1967' borders) is equal to Israel 'giving the Palestinians land', as if to say "not only is it our decision whether or not they get a state, but if they do it is only by our goodness as Israelis". As if not only does Israel currently rule over the occupied territories, but they [I]deserve[/I] to rule over them. And that's just preposterous.

[QUOTE=OzOMighty;38538214] [B]Does images explain the differences between a hate state and a loving civilization?[/B] [/QUOTE] pfff hahaha who makes this shit

Dont trust the erdogan guys... Votes are coming.. That why he is care about gaza that all.. I still cant believe we choosed pro islamic president...

[QUOTE=Megafan;38540002]Well for one, I do think colonization was a morally wrong thing to do. You will garner no points playing that card. Secondly, you clearly are under the assumption that even considering the establishment of the borders of a Palestinian state (likely the '1967' borders) is equal to Israel 'giving the Palestinians land', as if to say "not only is it our decision whether or not they get a state, but if they do it is only by our goodness as Israelis". As if not only does Israel currently rule over the occupied territories, but they [I]deserve[/I] to rule over them. And that's just preposterous.[/QUOTE] I'm not looking to win this argument with points or what ever, I just want you to be aware of the situation also the way I see it not by mass media reports. You can hate Israel all you want, you're opinion won't hurt Israel and I can put my balls on this. But I am trying to show you what you're provocation and statements praise, you're arguing with me as if terrorism doesn't exist in Gaza. Here is a question, is dragging a human on a bike across the street as punishment? If you are a sane person you will say NO, and that's why you should take one step back, and see that the goal of the Israel is achieving peace, but Hamas won't cooperate so it's to annihilate Hamas and let a humane civilized peace hungry group of Palestinians to run Gaza because it really is just putting both sides weapons down - simple as that but the Hamas doesn't aim for peace, it aims for destruction of Israel and that's it, I can't achieve peace with someone who DOESN'T WANT MY EXISTENCE. I have 2 really close Arab Muslim friends from East Jerusalem and I love them just like my Jewish friends which shows those people want peace with us, it's the Hamas that doesn't. [B]Why is this so hard to understand? Hamas must be destroyed and sane Palestinians should rule Gaza and I swear I'll protest against Israel if they do something to deny this after Hamas is knocked off the Goverment of Gaza. Ok?[/B]

[B]Yeah right, starving Gaza and bombing it to bits every time some terrorist fires a rocket, making some more widows willing to join Hamas is so much more humane. Also you're killing every sane palestinian blindly with surgical strikes[/B] as you can see, I am right, because I bolded that shit.

[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;38542263][B]Yeah right, starving Gaza and bombing it to bits every time some terrorist fires a rocket, making some more widows willing to join Hamas is so much more humane. Also you're killing every sane palestinian blindly with surgical strikes[/B] as you can see, I am right, because I bolded that shit.[/QUOTE] See, you didn't even read what I said, and all you mentioned was Israel defending itself and also lying because Israel give electricity, food and medical supplies while [B]in war[/B] with Gaza, your country wouldn't do it that's for sure. So... You're a waste of time really, anyways I'm going to volunteer in the south which in Hamas' value is a crime. Last thing, say all you want, still Israel's going to knock off Hamas and even when things get better in Gaza and they will become a regular civilized country you'll still blame Israel/Jews for all the horrible things in the world. I'll wave for you if the news film me eating a Christian child while destroying Gaza for no apparent reason.