Restaurant in Hawaii Bans Trump Voters, Faces Immediate Backlash - Polidicks

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51597232]Then why attempt to justify people's clearly bigoted views about race?[/QUOTE] Those aren't bigoted views if they are true. Saying blacks are less intelligent can be an observably true and not bigoted observation to these people. Blacks face a variety of socioeconomic problems, as well as have to recover from years of intense discrimination. [editline]29th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51597233]Assuming that anyone is is unemployed is lazy. Nice!!![/QUOTE] I'm not, but for the average voter, when you see double the unemployed black people you tend to make assumptions.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51597225]1. Not surprised at all about democrats who are like that. 2. I'm saying the whole study doesn't indicated really much of anything. Just that Trump supporters are more critical if anything.[/QUOTE] 1. Funny, because I was raised in Texas and I've met about fifty times as many conservatives like that than Democrats. I was just saying that they exist and could account for some 30% - if you're not surprised about that, you shouldn't be surprised (or even angry) about 50% of Trump supporters being some variety of racist or sexist. Of all people, you should know this. Self-reflection is a valuable skill. 2. More critical of others - not "their surroundings." People who voted hardest for Brexit had the lowest number of actual immigrants. Places that vote most strongly for conservative candidates have some of the lowest minority populations and the most homogenous ethnic backgrounds. The question was specifically phrased "when compared to whites," implying whites are less violent, and more intelligent. If they were truly critical of their surroundings, why would they view blacks so much more negatively, when statistically they're some of the least likely people to actually interact with minorities due to their location?

[QUOTE=MadPro119;51597236]Those aren't bigoted views if they are true. [B]Saying blacks are less intelligent can be an observably true and not bigoted observation to these people. [/B]Blacks face a variety of [B]socioeconomic problems,[/B] as well as have to recover from years of intense discrimination.[/QUOTE] You're still trying to justify their views. Education =/= intelligence, which IQ apparently (I say apparently because it's a stupid number in the end) measures. We already know the reason why black people score lower - due to the fact that a higher percentage of them are in poverty and thus are less educated. Thus, anyone trying to claim black people are on a whole less educated because of their race, is a bigot. Stop trying, to justify, these views.

[QUOTE=MadPro119;51597236]I'm not, but for the average voter, when you see double the unemployed black people you tend to make assumptions.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=MadPro119;51597236]assumptions.[/QUOTE] hello

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51597250]You're still trying to justify their views. Education =/= intelligence, which IQ apparently (I say apparently because it's a stupid number in the end) measures. We already know the reason why black people score lower - due to the fact that a higher percentage of them are in poverty and thus are less educated. Thus, anyone trying to claim black people are on a whole less educated because of their race, is a bigot. Stop trying, to justify, these views.[/QUOTE] Did the online poll ask if they were less intelligent, or did it ask "if they were less intelligent due to race"?

[QUOTE=MadPro119;51597224]Okay here ya go. Mean SAT scores of Whites, 529 - 534 - 513 Mean SAT scores of Blacks 431-428-418 [url]https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/09/03/sat-scores-drop-and-racial-gaps-remain-large[/url] Also to clarify, I'm not saying this is due to race.[/QUOTE] Then why support a candidate who wants to bring back racially-profiled stop-and-frisk programs? If "it's not about race," why support someone who racially profiles? Why not just, you know, fund inner city schools instead of trying to privatize the education system through school "choice" programs? If you really want to address the disparities here, and you don't think it's a racial thing at all, why are you arguing in defense of a man who very clearly views it as a racial things and has surrounded himself with people who treat it like a racial thing and refuse to acknowledge the institutional problems that may affect those disparities? Why point out these disparities in this particular context? It just makes it look like it really is about race to you - since you're defending that it's "reasonable" for some 40% of Trump supporters to think that black people are inherently less intelligent than white people.

[QUOTE=MadPro119;51597256]Did the online poll ask if they were less intelligent, or did it ask "if they were less intelligent due to race"?[/QUOTE] I mean asking if a certain race is less intelligent it implicitly implies they're less intelligent due to race. Now you're arguing semantics.

[QUOTE=MadPro119;51597256]Did the online poll ask if they were less intelligent, or did it ask "if they were less intelligent due to race"?[/QUOTE] The implication of "are black people less intelligent than white people" isn't "are black people less intelligent than white people because they've received worse education and are generally disadvantaged in comparison," it's "are black people less intelligent than white people." The racial implication is already there. "Due to race" is meaningless. If I asked you "do black people have bigger dicks than white people," you wouldn't be thinking "well maybe it's not a racial thing maybe they just use dick-lengthening products more often!"

[QUOTE=.Isak.;51597261]Then why support a candidate who wants to bring back racially-profiled stop-and-frisk programs? If "it's not about race," why support someone who racially profiles? Why not just, you know, fund inner city schools instead of trying to privatize the education system through school "choice" programs? If you really want to address the disparities here, and you don't think it's a racial thing at all, why are you arguing in defense of a man who very clearly views it as a racial things and has surrounded himself with people who treat it like a racial thing and refuse to acknowledge the institutional problems that may affect those disparities? Why point out these disparities in this particular context? It just makes it look like it really is about race to you - since you're defending that it's "reasonable" for some 40% of Trump supporters to think that black people are inherently less intelligent than white people.[/QUOTE] I don't support Trump. I wasn't even aware he wanted to bring back racially profiled-stop-and-frisk programs. I don't know how many of these voters were aware of it, however I doubt they would change their mind if they knew. That isn't a problem thats on these voters plate. I'm just trying to explain how these online polls don't really indicate racism. While I would agree Trump supporters are more racist than Clinton supporters, I think its unfair to use this poll as an example of [B]"over 50% of Trump's supporters are racist/xenophobic/homophobic/Islamophobic."[/B] [editline]29th December 2016[/editline] Is it really a stretch to think that a lot of people associate intelligence and education? I certainly do. I don't think intelligence is something you are born with. A child born into an economically privileged household will end up with more intelligence usually than one born to an economically disadvantaged household. True or false?

[QUOTE=MadPro119;51597274]I don't support Trump. I wasn't even aware he wanted to bring back racially profiled-stop-and-frisk programs. I don't know how many of these voters were aware of it, however I doubt they would change their mind if they knew. That isn't a problem thats on these voters plate. I'm just trying to explain how these online polls don't really indicate racism. While I would agree Trump supporters are more racist than Clinton supporters, I think its unfair to use this poll as an example of [B]"over 50% of Trump's supporters are racist/xenophobic/homophobic/Islamophobic."[/B] [editline]29th December 2016[/editline] Is it really a stretch to think that a lot of people associate intelligence and education? I certainly do. I don't think intelligence is something you are born with.[/QUOTE] Well yes, because some people absolutely do believe intelligence is something you intriguingly "have" and not something you "earn". Second, find where in my post I used that poll to justify that view. I simply posted it as a repose to a question a user asked.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51597285]Well yes, because some people absolutely do believe intelligence is something you intriguingly "have" and not something you "earn". Second, find where in my post I used that poll to justify that view. I simply posted it as a repose to a question a user asked. [/QUOTE] 1. Well idk those people are probably racist and dumb. But again, no way to know their opinions with such shit "studies" that you don't even read about before you post. (didn't know it was an online poll) 2. I am referring to ROFLBURGERS post where he claims [quote]Hillary Clinton called ~1/2 of Trump Supporters (Or 1/4 of Americans, if it pleases you) deplorable.[B] She was right.[/B] Multiple studies and polls have shown that at least half of Trump supporters are racist, bigoted, noun, noun, noun, and/or noun.[/quote]

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51597250]You're still trying to justify their views. Education =/= intelligence, which IQ apparently (I say apparently because it's a stupid number in the end) measures. We already know the reason why black people score lower - due to the fact that a higher percentage of them are in poverty and thus are less educated. Thus, anyone trying to claim black people are on a whole less educated because of their race, is a bigot. Stop trying, to justify, these views.[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study[/url] While socio-economics does play a factor, the scale of it is still being debated. Ofcourse, do take into account the prenatal vs postnatal arguments.

[QUOTE=MadPro119;51597236]Those aren't bigoted views if they are true. Saying blacks are less intelligent can be an observably true and not bigoted observation to these people. Blacks face a variety of socioeconomic problems, as well as have to recover from years of intense discrimination. [editline]29th December 2016[/editline] I'm not, but for the average voter, when you see double the unemployed black people you tend to make assumptions.[/QUOTE] Racism and bigotry based on ignorance is still racism and bigotry. It is not in any way whatsoever "observably true" that black people are less intelligent than white people. Black people score worse on tests and have higher dropout rates, but attributing to that to race as opposed to socioeconomic conditions is racist. Full stop.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51597337]Racism and bigotry based on ignorance is still racism and bigotry. It is not in any way whatsoever "observably true" that black people are less intelligent than white people. Black people score worse on tests and have higher dropout rates, but attributing to that to race as opposed to socioeconomic conditions is racist. Full stop.[/QUOTE] Blacks are more economically disadvantaged and this has lead to less educated and intelligent black people. Is that a racist statement? [editline]29th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51597337]Racism and bigotry based on ignorance is still racism and bigotry. It is not in any way whatsoever "observably true" that black people are less intelligent than white people. Black people score worse on tests and have higher dropout rates, but attributing to that to race as opposed to socioeconomic conditions is racist. Full stop.[/QUOTE] Also refer to Tudd's post above as well as this [url]https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a2d7/85edd7aa61b7ba51355053cc61d8b924fe35.pdf[/url]

[QUOTE=MadPro119;51597274]I don't support Trump. I wasn't even aware he wanted to bring back racially profiled-stop-and-frisk programs. I don't know how many of these voters were aware of it, however I doubt they would change their mind if they knew. That isn't a problem thats on these voters plate. I'm just trying to explain how these online polls don't really indicate racism. While I would agree Trump supporters are more racist than Clinton supporters, I think its unfair to use this poll as an example of [B]"over 50% of Trump's supporters are racist/xenophobic/homophobic/Islamophobic."[/B] [editline]29th December 2016[/editline] Is it really a stretch to think that a lot of people associate intelligence and education? I certainly do. I don't think intelligence is something you are born with. A child born into an economically privileged household will end up with more intelligence usually than one born to an economically disadvantaged household. True or false?[/QUOTE] The problem here is that you're fundamentally misrepresenting what "intelligence" is to suit your argument. Intelligence is a theoretical measure of intellectual ability, not actual education. It's also a deeply flawed measure, but that's a different conversation. So, to answer your little hypothetical, the answer is "false." If two children of identical ability are born in different circumstances with different opportunities and access to education, one will not be "more intelligent," he will simply be better educated. You are being deliberately obtuse to try to skew the results of the poll into something more palatable, which is a bit curious in that the end result of you "winning" that argument would only serve to prove that Trump voters just have worse reading comprehension lol. There may have been issues in the way the polling was conducted, sure. That's a definite possibility. However, it is not in the wording of the questions.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51597369]If two children of identical ability are born in different circumstances with different opportunities and access to education, one will not be "more intelligent," he will simply be better educated.[/QUOTE] I don't think the idea that intelligence is wholly hereditary, and completely unaffected by upbringing, has much traction in the scientific community.

you guys do realize that IQ is a really shitty way to measure intelligence, right? Its so shitty that in some states its illegal to give them out to african-americans as the results are heavily reliant on cultural upbringing.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51597369]Intelligence is a theoretical measure of intellectual ability, not actual education. It's also a deeply flawed measure, but that's a different conversation. [/QUOTE] Does intellectual ability not increase through education? [editline]29th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51597369] You are being deliberately obtuse to try to skew the results of the poll into something more palatable, which is a bit curious in that the end result of you "winning" that argument would only [B]serve to prove that Trump voters just have worse reading comprehension[/B] lol.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me much.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51596945]is this a meme yet? stating something that has nothing to do with trump winning and then saying "this is why trump won"[/QUOTE] "Thiz is why Trump won" is the new "Thanks, Obama"

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51597391]"Thiz is why Trump won" is the new "Thanks, Obama"[/QUOTE] Its true though. This unwillingness to compromise and the divisive rhetoric contributed greatly to why Trump is in office. Shunning trump supporters is [I]not[/I] how we could have won this election.

Don't worry trump supporters, the invisibull hand will prevent anything bad from happening in this sort of situation so you should just shut up.

I think it's funny conservatives defend FADA's discrimination by saying businesses should be able to refuse service to anyone and then get upset when Trump voters are targeted.

[QUOTE=01271;51597431]Don't worry trump supporters, the invisibull hand will prevent anything bad from happening in this sort of situation so you should just shut up.[/QUOTE] What bad things are you referring to? [editline]29th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Super Muffin;51597432]I think it's funny conservatives defend FADA's discrimination by saying businesses should be able to refuse service to anyone and then get upset when Trump voters are targeted.[/QUOTE] It was only me and Adrian arguing for that. I'm not upset about this at all and will gladly protect their right to association.

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;51597432]I think it's funny conservatives defend FADA's discrimination by saying businesses should be able to refuse service to anyone and then get upset when Trump voters are targeted.[/QUOTE] Actually they can totally do whatever with their restaurant and I support them for to be able to do it. Just like I am free to call them idiots and let the market decide what their doing is right or wrong.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51597439]Actually they can totally do whatever with their restaurant and I support that action. Just like I am free to call them idiots and let the market decide what their doing is right.[/QUOTE] Its like... he just jumped to conclusions. [QUOTE=.Isak.;51597183]Political affiliation is not a protected class, unfortunately. This should be illegal, but it isn't.[/QUOTE] Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe .Isak is a conservative?

[QUOTE=Tudd;51597439]Actually they can totally do whatever with their restaurant and I support them for to be able to do it. Just like I am free to call them idiots and let the market decide what their doing is right or wrong.[/QUOTE] letting the free market decide matters of discrimination is actually a pretty bad idea. [editline]29th December 2016[/editline] believe it or not

[QUOTE=Kyle902;51597451]letting the free market decide matters of discrimination is actually a pretty bad idea. [editline]29th December 2016[/editline] believe it or not[/QUOTE] Oh no not this again. Either way its lowercase discrimination. That means its good.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51596935]Calling trump voters nazis... classic people like this is why trump won.[/QUOTE] Technically the note doesn't call Trump supporters Nazis, and nowhere in the article does the owner make the connection.

[QUOTE=MadPro119;51597454]Oh no not this again. Either way its lowercase discrimination. That means its good.[/QUOTE] ??? are you going to formulate an argument or was that it

[QUOTE=Paramud;51597458]Technically the note doesn't call Trump supporters Nazis, and nowhere in the article does the owner make the connection.[/QUOTE] Oh please, that is grasping at straws.