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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32616879]wow if you don't read the title or the post how do you even end up in here able to reply[/QUOTE] I feel like an idiot. I could have sworn that it just said "Gay couple" originally, must have misread it.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32625480]Even the New Testament has a lot that is awful stuff, how do you (not necessarily "you") decide to ignore that?[/QUOTE] By knowing that the core values of christianity are redemption, forgiveness, love, and tolerance. It doesn't matter if you follow the rules or not because Jesus is supposed to love you anyways, he is supposed to take you in and forgive you. When you realize those values, everything else in the bible isn't really relevant to society. That it is up to each person individually to listen or ignore the teachings. That society isn't supposed to judge, just like Jesus said he doesn't judge.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32625714]Which in a sense is worse than having three guys in the countryside being homophobe because of religion. An entire empire vs a bunch of rednecks [editline]4th October 2011[/editline] And Christianity was persecuted because Judaism saw a big problem in that new religion, as jews had strong commercial links with Romans and wanted to keep this advantage, so they blamed Christians for all their problems and Romans took measures against the so called trouble makers.[/QUOTE] Oh boy, here comes the jew blaming. :suicide:
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;32626429]Oh boy, here comes the jew blaming. :suicide:[/QUOTE] Whats wrong with that? The Jewish governors of Judea conspired against the christians because they perceived it as a threat to their rule. That's something that happened, trying to say it didn't is ignoring history.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;32626455]Whats wrong with that? The Jewish governors of Judea conspired against the christians because they perceived it as a threat to their rule. That's something that happened, trying to say it didn't is ignoring history.[/QUOTE] They weren't that much of a threat to their rule. They were just another apocalyptic cult, like they had by the dozen in those parts and like many of them didn't make that much of a impact on local operations. It just so happened that it managed get one or two converts overseas, some of whom proved to by skillful evengelists. Also, a certain distrust of a cult that openly preached against the mainstream is wise. [QUOTE]By knowing that the core values of christianity are redemption, forgiveness, love, and tolerance. It doesn't matter if you follow the rules or not because Jesus is supposed to love you anyways, he is supposed to take you in and forgive you. [/quote] Hardly. It was an apocalyptic personality cult that's been mutated, deliberately and otherwise into a multitude of freakish shambling monstrosities of belief ranging from the vagely to fairly enumical, to the more common moderately to very hardline strains to throwbacks to the original version.
The saddest thing is, shit like this is becoming legal in Tennessee.
[QUOTE=Nikota;32626723]The saddest thing is, shit like this is becoming legal in Tennessee.[/QUOTE] Becoming legal AGAIN that is.
Makes me ashamed to be under the same religious banner as these assholes.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;32625172] There is a core message to each holy text. So what if the New Testament preaches misogyny in some parts? Overwhelmingly it teaches forgiveness of those who don't follow the rules. It teaches that you probably should follow the rules, but it is completely alright not to. It teaches that we should also not enforce our morality on other people. [/QUOTE] Is this how you justify your beliefs? By telling yourself that anything you want to believe is fine as long as you can twist and interpret some Bible verses at will into saying what you want them to say, and ignoring everything else? And that that's not only morally permissible, that the Bible tells you that you should do it, so it's morally correct? Also, chauvinism means having a prejudiced belief in the superiority of one's own gender, group, or kind. Misogyny means a hatred of women, or belief that they are inferior. So, whilst chauvinism is a broader term (hence the use of the term 'male chauvinism' to narrows its definition), chauvinism definitely covers misogyny. Therefore, they are not two distinct things as you assert, in this context.
Gotta love the southern bigots.
Best title of all years
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;32628632]Since when? I live in Tennessee, close to this county, and this is the first I've heard about gay discrimination. Other than in my highschool, of course.[/QUOTE] Look up what the current governor has done.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;32626699]They weren't that much of a threat to their rule. They were just another apocalyptic cult, like they had by the dozen in those parts and like many of them didn't make that much of a impact on local operations. It just so happened that it managed get one or two converts overseas, some of whom proved to by skillful evengelists. Also, a certain distrust of a cult that openly preached against the mainstream is wise.[/quote] They may or may not have been a threat. What matters is that the people in charge perceived them as a threat. [quote]Hardly. It was an apocalyptic personality cult that's been mutated, deliberately and otherwise into a multitude of freakish shambling monstrosities of belief ranging from the vagely to fairly enumical, to the more common moderately to very hardline strains to throwbacks to the original version.[/QUOTE] I don't even get your point. Early christians believed that the end of the world was soon, however they also believed Jesus would forgive the sinners for their sins. They believed that when the end came, they were all going to be redeemed. That's the point. It doesn't matter if you believe in the apocalypse or not, it matters that you take home that message that Jesus will redeem everyone. That is the absolute core of Christianity. That is what makes it distinct from Judaism and Islam. [QUOTE=devotchkade;32628264]Is this how you justify your beliefs?[/quote] I don't need a reason to justify my own beliefs. I don't care what anyone thinks about my denial of god, my moral perspective, or my reasons for acting the way I do. My moral beliefs don't need justification, they only need for me to uphold them. [quote]By telling yourself that anything you want to believe is fine as long as you can twist and interpret some Bible verses at will into saying what you want them to say, and ignoring everything else?[/quote] If it contributes to peace and tolerance it doesn't matter if it is "twisted" or "interpreted". The bible is meant to be interpreted anyways. The bible itself is contradictory, so it is impossible to completely follow the rules. You have to take out a core message though. [quote]Also, chauvinism means having a prejudiced belief in the superiority of one's own gender, group, or kind. Misogyny means a hatred of women, or belief that they are inferior. So, whilst chauvinism is a broader term (hence the use of the term 'male chauvinism' to narrows its definition), chauvinism definitely covers misogyny. Therefore, they are not two distinct things as you assert, in this context.[/QUOTE] Not all chauvinists are misogynists. Misogyny might fall under chauvinism, but they are distinct, otherwise we wouldn't have different words for them.
Pardon my shitty history knowledge, but isn't shit like this the sort of thing that started the Civil War?
[QUOTE=lavacano;32629148]Pardon my shitty history knowledge, but isn't shit like this the sort of thing that started the Civil War?[/QUOTE] No.
[QUOTE=lavacano;32629148]Pardon my shitty history knowledge, but isn't shit like this the sort of thing that started the Civil War?[/QUOTE]Slavery.
[QUOTE=lavacano;32629148]Pardon my shitty history knowledge, but isn't shit like this the sort of thing that started the Civil War?[/QUOTE] To be honest it more sounds like how the huge black civil rights movement in the 50/60s led by Martin Luther King, only with homos.
(thusfar) I've not seen this kinda crap in Georgia, and I sure as hell had better not see it anywhere I attend church. This kind of crap is exactly as its described, crap. Its one thing to be unrelated, but the guy's FATHER was part of this, hell, he ordered it?? [editline]5th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Run&Gun12;32631484]Slavery.[/QUOTE] Actually, it wasn't entirely slavery. Slavery was a part of it, but most of it was irritation from the south about how the federal government treats individual states.
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;32629133]My moral beliefs don't need justification, they only need for me to uphold them. [/QUOTE] Woah buddy what the fuck at least have pretend to legitimize them through some justification [editline]6th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ScoobySnax;32636733][img]http://gallery.nekito.net/albums/album05/Anya_Popcorn.gif[/img][/QUOTE] Poor anya.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;32629133] I don't need a reason to justify my own beliefs. I don't care what anyone thinks about my denial of god, my moral perspective, or my reasons for acting the way I do. My moral beliefs don't need justification, they only need for me to uphold them.[/QUOTE] I agree with some of your points, but this one here seems to fall under "blind faith" (or blind lack-thereof) and/or ignorance. If you simply uphold your beliefs and you don't even know why, it makes your points rather hollow and reduces your credibility quite a bit. Going further to then get as defensive as you seem to be getting over morals that you refuse to justify, it just makes you seem foolish and at some point people may simply refuse to accept your opinions at all.
[QUOTE=ColossalSoft;32616925]Now everyone from Tennessee looks like a bigotty dick. I live there and I'm a kewl guy. :([/QUOTE] That makes two of us
[QUOTE=yawmwen;32625276]Law that doesn't have to be followed according to the New Testament.[/QUOTE] 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:17-20 NIV The New Testament has quite a few of those. Seems fairly clear to me.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;32639193]17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:17-20 NIV The New Testament has quite a few of those. Seems fairly clear to me.[/QUOTE] It says the law shouldn't disappear (aka the bible shouldn't be destroyed), not that you should follow it at all costs. It also says that if you think a law has not to be followed, you might as well not follow it as long as you are modest in the number of laws you choose to ignore (last line isn't an insult or a threat, it's an advice).
[QUOTE=yawmwen;32629133] I don't need a reason to justify my own beliefs. I don't care what anyone thinks about my denial of god, my moral perspective, or my reasons for acting the way I do. My moral beliefs don't need justification, they only need for me to uphold them. If it contributes to peace and tolerance it doesn't matter if it is "twisted" or "interpreted". The bible is meant to be interpreted anyways. The bible itself is contradictory, so it is impossible to completely follow the rules. You have to take out a core message though.[/quote] Yeah, I don't know how great your personal contributions to peace and tolerance are. [QUOTE=yawmwen;32629133] Not all chauvinists are misogynists. Misogyny might fall under chauvinism, but they are distinct, otherwise we wouldn't have different words for them.[/QUOTE] lolwut, English has plenty of different words for the same thing. Have you ever heard of a synonym, seriously? Synonyms might be a little different, but a fair amount of them mean exactly the same thing. There are a multitude of ways to say the same thing. We do this so speaking/writing/communication isn't so boring. And lol at you suggesting that English abides by any kind of consistent rule (including 'we have different words for different things'). Anyhow, most people use the word 'chauvinistic' to refer to gender chauvinism. Hence - in this context, as I previously stated - they are the same thing.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;32617905]Just wanted to say something about religion. I've had this realization. With all the advents of technology and science. In a couple decades or a century or so, most if not all religions will be gone. Rendered useless because of how science explains everything. I mean when science explains so much about everything, pretty soon they'll be no sane reason to believe in a deity. (Feel free to point out anything I said if I made a mistake.)[/QUOTE] People are dumb. There are still people who believe in the flat earth theory.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;32637257]I agree with some of your points, but this one here seems to fall under "blind faith" (or blind lack-thereof) and/or ignorance. If you simply uphold your beliefs and you don't even know why, it makes your points rather hollow and reduces your credibility quite a bit.[/quote] I don't need to know why. A belief grounded in peace or love doesn't need justification. It doesn't need a reason. If you need a reason to believe what you believe, then you aren't very morally centered, and you don't understand yourself. [quote]Going further to then get as defensive as you seem to be getting over morals that you refuse to justify, it just makes you seem foolish and at some point people may simply refuse to accept your opinions at all.[/QUOTE] I am posting to share ideas. I don't care if nor expect anyone accepts my ideas. [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;32639193]17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:17-20 NIV The New Testament has quite a few of those. Seems fairly clear to me.[/QUOTE] Not really because then Jesus goes along to break several laws in the bible. The point of that verse is to say you should follow what the old testament says, but it's no biggie if you don't. Read my post earlier about the condemned woman. Jesus broke the Law of Moses by not letting her be stoned. John 15: You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. Matthew 7 1-5:“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Matthew 6 14-15: For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. [QUOTE=devotchkade;32641566]Yeah, I don't know how great your personal contributions to peace and tolerance are.[/quote] Do they need to be great? I try to contribute how I can. I don't need someone else to judge whatever contributions I make. [quote]lolwut, English has plenty of different words for the same thing. Have you ever heard of a synonym, seriously? Synonyms might be a little different, but a fair amount of them mean exactly the same thing. There are a multitude of ways to say the same thing. We do this so speaking/writing/communication isn't so boring. And lol at you suggesting that English abides by any kind of consistent rule (including 'we have different words for different things'). Anyhow, most people use the word 'chauvinistic' to refer to gender chauvinism. Hence - in this context, as I previously stated - they are the same thing.[/QUOTE] No they aren't. Synonyms have similar meaning but are used in different context. For example, beautiful has the synonym elegant, but elegant and beautiful are not quite the same thing. There is a subtle difference between the two words that separates them.
Hold on here. Let's get something straight here since this theological debate has started. Let's make it abundantly clear, regardless of their religious affiliation, that the perpetrators should be charged with committing assault and a hate crime and put away for a very long time. I think we can all agree that these perpetrators are absolute scum, dog shit on the shoe of civilized society who's windows should be barred for the foreseeable future. That's something we can all agree on right?
[QUOTE=Spooter;32642223]Hold on here. Let's get something straight here since this theological debate has started. Let's make it abundantly clear, regardless of their religious affiliation, that the perpetrators should be charged with committing assault and a hate crime and put away for a very long time. I think we can all agree that these perpetrators are absolute scum, dog shit on the shoe of civilized society who's windows should be barred for the foreseeable future. That's something we can all agree on right?[/QUOTE] Is that an argument? I mean does anyone here seem to support these guys?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;32642410]Is that an argument? I mean does anyone here seem to support these guys?[/QUOTE] I'm kinda trying to just put things back on topic.
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