• Polls may actually underestimate Trump's support, study finds
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[quote]“anonymous environment” of an online survey[/quote] While this is true, there is no denying this is contributing to much more free press than any other candidate running. I honestly have a harder time seeing someone talk about a dem or republican competitor than I can about trump
[QUOTE=GunFox;49370132]I was going to make the joke that his supporters can't figure out how to use the internet when I read the title. Then I read the article. Fuck my life. The notion that they recognize how embarrassing it is and don't admit to it is much worse.[/QUOTE] It's not surprising at all, the internet is full of edgelords who support Sanders but are threatening to vote for Trump if Hillary gets the nomination. It's all about sticking it to the "man". They don't care if they elect a smart contrarian candidate or a batshit insane Nazi one.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49372201]It's all about sticking it to the "man". They don't care if they elect a smart contrarian candidate or a batshit insane Nazi one.[/QUOTE] Maybe it's because Hillary is literally the epitome of everything we hate about our current political system and whose character is everything we disagree with in terms of being our ultimate representative? I'd vote for someone who will openly, and honestly says things I disagree with them doing rather than someone who promises me what I want to hear and secretly fucks everything up behind closed doors before anyone else can stop them in the interests of other parties.
[QUOTE=bitches;49370900]no wonder your friends would be upset given your warped reality and preference of economics over human rights[/QUOTE]I think Trump has a great stance on the 2nd Amendment, and I have absolutely no problem saying that. Doesn't mean I'm going to fucking vote for him though. I've joked about it plenty of times before but I'll [I]probably[/I] vote libertarian again, depending on how I feel about the candidate. [QUOTE=soulharvester;49372118]Come on now, there's a lot of people who lurk here who are a lot more reasonable than you're giving them credit for.[/QUOTE]We have stars to pass out, if they really ~cared~ they would start showing their support with their pictures of cute little stars damn it!
[QUOTE=soulharvester;49372264]Maybe it's because Hillary is literally the epitome of everything we hate about our current political system and whose character is everything we disagree with in terms of being our ultimate representative? I'd vote for someone who will openly, and honestly says things I disagree with them doing rather than someone who promises me what I want to hear and secretly fucks everything up behind closed doors before anyone else can stop them in the interests of other parties.[/QUOTE] You're not voting for someone to say things, you're voting for a package of political ideals. If you're so ready to replace Hillary with Trump then you probably don't actually have political ideals and you're just going for the drama vote. Besides, Hillary lies a hell of a lot less than Trump. If you want the more honest person, vote for Hillary.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;49371518]I meant 'we' as in Earth.[/QUOTE]Haha, [I]nice try[/I] commie. [editline]22nd December 2015[/editline] damn it zeke
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49372276]Besides, Hillary lies a hell of a lot less than Trump. If you want the more honest person, vote for Hillary.[/QUOTE] According to who? Shillaries friends?
[QUOTE=sgman91;49371563]The average person is controlled more by the left than the right, hence the view that the left is more authoritarian. The simple fact that the left wants to take more of your money, regulate everything you do to a higher degree (beyond a few specific examples like drug use), etc. is simply way more relevant to normal people than whether the government can collect meta-data or whether it stops certain people from coming into the country. [editline]22nd December 2015[/editline] Just as a simple example: my grandparents have recently had to go through a huge legal issue because their 80+ year old building didn't have a regulation size handicap space and some random dude sued them for it (who is known in the area for going into old buildings trying to find minutely illegal things. It's literally what he does as a job). It's been a huge multi-year hassle for something that has never been a problem, and will likely never be a problem for anyone who isn't looking for lawsuits. The democrats/liberals just happen to be the party that passes this sort of thing. That's just one example of regular people been pretty largely affected by liberal regulation policies, and this sort of things is ridiculously common for any type of business person. [editline]22nd December 2015[/editline] Another example: I have a family member that works for the pharmaceutical industry and they aren't even legally allowed to directly compare drug to drug studies anymore with doctors. Again, this crazy regulation comes from the left.[/QUOTE] It's that sort of work from the left I lean more and more conservative as time passes. I can understand the need for having economic regulations in place for protecting consumers and employees from being exploited as well as having certification for professions like construction contracting and in fact I would even support breaking up the big banks to prevent the taxpayers from having to bail them out again, but the regulations and licensing today is absurd. That story of a child who tried to run a lemonade stand and got in trouble for not having a authorized license to do so comes to mind. Another where a woman was teaching girls to braid hair without chemicals or products being arrested for not having a license. Rand Paul is probably the only candidate on the Republicans I'd pick despite his stance on supporting Israel, but I'll most likely go Libertarian. Blow up the two party system!
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49372276]You're not voting for someone to say things, you're voting for a package of political ideals. If you're so ready to replace Hillary with Trump then you probably don't actually have political ideals and you're just going for the drama vote. Besides, Hillary lies a hell of a lot less than Trump. If you want the more honest person, vote for Hillary.[/QUOTE] Hillary is the worst candidate no matter what. It doesnt even matter what your views are. You clearly know nothing about Hillary and how much of a horrible person she is. She is the worst candidate and most damaging if elected.
I'm still waiting for the [I]real[/I] candidates to announce themselves, this whole election feels like a joke.
Hillary should be rotting in prison. During the Whitewater fiasco she managed to evade prison after one public speech and had the media eating out of the palm of her hand. All her close associates were either in jail or dead and the only ones left who know the truth are the Clinton and Susan McDougal who remains silent. Donald Trump is honest to the point everyone hates him for it or thinks he's actually trying to throw the nomination or election for the democrats. Although, what about that phone call he had with Bill Clinton before he announced his campaign?
[QUOTE=soulharvester;49372291]According to who? Shillaries friends?[/QUOTE]To be fair they're both liars, but Trump is quite honestly more [U]wrong[/U] than he is a complete liar. So it's down to "do you want an idiot or do you want a liar" when talking about Trump and Hillary. I mean Trump has said some dumb shit but so far I haven't heard him claim he's [url=http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/25/campaign.wrap/index.html?iref=hpmostpop]landed under sniper fire in Bosnia[/url] or anything else like that. Meanwhile some twenty odd years ago people were questioning Hillary's bullshit, particularly about things like her [url=http://www.nytimes.com/1994/03/30/us/hillary-clinton-turned-1000-into-99540-white-house-says.html?pagewanted=all]amazing investment skills.[/url] I mean when people say "YEAH WELL TRUMP LIES TOO" they've pretty much lost me and I begin to disregard everything they say because [I]we weren't talking about Trump, we were talking about Hillary.[/I] My little brother lies too, does that make Hillary being a bad secretary of state an A-OK thing and we should just forget her bullshit response to the Benghazi attack? No. When you're in a position like that you do not fucking lie, and Hillary has proven time and time again that being a liar is not something that offends her conscience. Anyone who's willing to go, "yeah well she's not that bad" is either too young to know about the decades and decades of lies and bullshit or they're deliberately trying to conceal all of that which is just as despicable.
Let's not forget Hillary claiming Trump is part of a ISIS recruitment video. Or the fact she was initially against same-sex marriage about 10 years ago and is suddenly for it now, or supported the war in Iraq. She's what you expect in a slimy politician.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49372470]Let's not forget Hillary claiming Trump is part of a ISIS recruitment video. Or the fact she was initially against same-sex marriage about 10 years ago and is suddenly for it now, or supported the war in Iraq. She's what you expect in a slimy politician.[/QUOTE]Pretty much, remember when she claimed to be just a regular woman and like every other chick in the US? Honestly that kind of pissed me off a little bit, I sincerely fucking doubt Hillary goddamn Clinton would be able to stomach some of the shit that my mom had to go through. She's pretty much the stereotypical slimy politician and she always has been, some days I feel bad for Slick Willy because he's stuck with that witch.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49372276]If you want the more honest person, vote for Hillary.[/QUOTE]Don't get me wrong, I'm well aware of how politics work. Especially here in Burgerland. Every single person eligible for running is filled to the brim with shit, because people who aren't are stomped down by those who are. But if Hillary is legitimately the most honest person in this election, take me out back and shoot me now. I would rather vote for my own execution than any candidate in this living nightmare you're trying to sell to me.
Personally I hope Trump gets elected, I agree with his policies. I intend to get in on a k-1 visa to be with my fiancée and the whole process has exposed me to a lot of U.S. issues with immigration and illegals, it's shown me just how bad the situation with illegals is over there and how it impacts people who want to honestly get in legally and pay their due taxes, work hard and build themselves from the ground up like myself.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49370300]That's a pretty big damn sign you're supporting the WRONG candidate.[/QUOTE] Not really, some people don't like to talk about politics, and might not give honest answers for a live caller.
I guess the point that he's trying to get across is that she's a liar. A very corrupt one at that.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49372384] Donald Trump is honest to the point everyone hates him for it or thinks he's actually trying to throw the nomination or election for the democrats. Although, what about that phone call he had with Bill Clinton before he announced his campaign?[/QUOTE] What if Trump is basically the candidate version The Producers?
[QUOTE=Atlascore;49373154]How is she a liar, because she changed her opinion on it? You mean like most of America did over the last ten years, is every American suddenly a liar now?[/QUOTE] No but I don't think I'm gonna get anywhere if you're going to start shoveling shit like that lol. Please do some research on the candidate, your ignorance is her best strength right now.
[QUOTE=Captain James;49373043]Personally I hope Trump gets elected, I agree with his policies. I intend to get in on a k-1 visa to be with my fiancée and the whole process has exposed me to a lot of U.S. issues with immigration and illegals, it's shown me just how bad the situation with illegals is over there and how it impacts people who want to honestly get in legally and pay their due taxes, work hard and build themselves from the ground up like myself.[/QUOTE] Illuminate me. How bad is the problem with the "illegals"?
[QUOTE=Atlascore;49373196]Hillary has an Everest-sized mountain of bad shit on her back, instead of bringing any of that up you go after.. her opinion of same-sex marriage, really? It's the most minor, irrelevant shit, it's like bringing up that Hitler kicked a puppy on his way to the local Jew crematorium.[/QUOTE] Uuuuh, lol. I don't think I went after her opinion on same sex marriage. The statement that "she's a liar" is not exclusive to same-sex marriage. If she has a pretty solid consistency of spinning the truth/flat out lying then it makes her a liar regardless of her stance on marriage. You understand what I'm sayin'?
[QUOTE=Laferio;49373227]Uuuuh, lol. I don't think I went after her opinion on same sex marriage. The statement that "she's a liar" is not exclusive to same-sex marriage. If she has a pretty solid consistency of spinning the truth/flat out lying then it makes her a liar regardless of her stance on marriage. You understand what I'm sayin'?[/QUOTE] Such as?
[QUOTE=sgman91;49371563]The average person is controlled more by the left than the right, hence the view that the left is more authoritarian. The simple fact that the left wants to take more of your money, regulate everything you do to a higher degree (beyond a few specific examples like drug use), etc. is simply way more relevant to normal people than whether the government can collect meta-data or whether it stops certain people from coming into the country. [editline]22nd December 2015[/editline] Just as a simple example: my grandparents have recently had to go through a huge legal issue because their 80+ year old building didn't have a regulation size handicap space and some random dude sued them for it (who is known in the area for going into old buildings trying to find minutely illegal things. It's literally what he does as a job). It's been a huge multi-year hassle for something that has never been a problem, and will likely never be a problem for anyone who isn't looking for lawsuits. The democrats/liberals just happen to be the party that passes this sort of thing. That's just one example of regular people been pretty largely affected by liberal regulation policies, and this sort of things is ridiculously common for any type of business person. [editline]22nd December 2015[/editline] Another example: I have a family member that works for the pharmaceutical industry and they aren't even legally allowed to directly compare drug to drug studies anymore with doctors. Again, this crazy regulation comes from the left.[/QUOTE] It's important to note that the Right, as a generalized entity, support: 1) Limiting access to reproductive healthcare for women, especially where it concerns abortions. 2) Heavy drug enforcement on even largely harmless recreational substances like Marijuana 3) Restricting the rights of homosexuals to enjoy the same legal and personal privileges as heterosexuals Along with many other very blatant restrictions on personal liberties, or conditional restrictions on personal liberties for certain groups of people. The right may represent a less regulated economy when compared to the left, but in terms of personal liberties it's no contest. Today's Conservative is [I]hardly[/I] "small government."
put aside many of his backwards beliefs and racism and trump is clearly the most capable presidential candidate, and I think people recognize this. they're taking a risk. look into trumps history and his success and you see that he did a lot of good for new York and created a whole lot of jobs
[QUOTE=redBadger;49373328]put aside many of his backwards beliefs and racism and trump is clearly the most capable presidential candidate, and I think people recognize this. they're taking a risk. look into trumps history and his success and you see that he did a lot of good for new York and created a whole lot of jobs[/QUOTE] I feel I have to put aside some pretty major aspects to come to that conclusion.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49372384]Hillary should be rotting in prison. During the Whitewater fiasco she managed to evade prison after one public speech and had the media eating out of the palm of her hand. All her close associates were either in jail or dead and the only ones left who know the truth are the Clinton and Susan McDougal who remains silent. Donald Trump is honest to the point everyone hates him for it or thinks he's actually trying to throw the nomination or election for the democrats. Although, what about that phone call he had with Bill Clinton before he announced his campaign?[/QUOTE] "Donald Trump" and "Honesty" do not go together. His entire campaign is built on a lie-- a load of reactionary fear-mongering bullshit to stir up anti-Islamic sentiments, fear of immigrants, and distrust of minorities so that he can build a campaign on "protecting" America from, essentially, non-whites and non-Christians. He is pandering in every possible respect to the "War on Christmas!" crowd, the xenophobes, the racists, the socially backwards. It is such an extreme position he is taken that I honestly don't know which is more concerning: that he honestly believes the shit he is saying, or that he knows his rhetoric is bullshit, but is saying it anyway because it is bullshit that people want to hear. Neither would surprise me at this point, and either spells a serious problem with the American social dynamic.
[QUOTE=redBadger;49373328]put aside many of his backwards beliefs and racism and trump is clearly the most capable presidential candidate, and I think people recognize this. they're taking a risk. look into trumps history and his success and you see that he did a lot of good for new York and created a whole lot of jobs[/QUOTE] How is he the most capable candidate? How does he beat out Sanders, who is a career politician that has spent the past several decades fighting for the under privileged? Explain to me how a wealthy racist sociopath is a better candidate for chief diplomat and commander of our military than a guy who fights, thanklessly, for decades to defend the poor and less fortunate. Do tell.
[QUOTE=redBadger;49373328]put aside many of his backwards beliefs and racism and trump is clearly the most capable presidential candidate, and I think people recognize this. they're taking a risk. look into trumps history and his success and you see that he did a lot of good for new York and created a whole lot of jobs[/QUOTE] Frankly, we could debate his actual efficacy at some length. He has certainly undertaken some impressive ventures, but he's also made incredible blunders, and on a personal level I am not at all convinced of his ability. Even entertaining the notion that he is a capable economic leader, however, I simply cannot set aside the comments he's made about minorities, and Muslims in particular. The president needs to respect the basic articles of the constitution-- he needs to respect the ideals and principles of our nation. Outlawing major world religions and treating its followers as second class citizens at best, and outright enemies of the state at worst, flies in the face of everything America is supposed to uphold. Capable leader or no, what Trump has actively called for is, for lack of a better term, anti-American. It is offensive on every possible level, and sets us on a very dangerous path. Simply not worth the risk. I would rather have a completely incompetent leader than an actively oppressive one.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49373313]It's important to note that the Right, as a generalized entity, support: 1) Limiting access to reproductive healthcare for women, especially where it concerns abortions. 2) Heavy drug enforcement on even largely harmless recreational substances like Marijuana 3) Restricting the rights of homosexuals to enjoy the same legal and personal privileges as heterosexuals[/QUOTE] Yes, it's not a black and white issue with one party absolutely being less controlling than the other in every case. You've listed the main three areas where the right wants more control. Even the whole meta-data issue is a mixed bag. You have people on both sides who both want it and don't want it. [QUOTE]Along with many other very blatant restrictions on personal liberties, or conditional restrictions on personal liberties for certain groups of people. The right may represent a less regulated economy when compared to the left, but in terms of personal liberties it's no contest. Today's Conservative is [I]hardly[/I] "small government."[/QUOTE] I think you're drawing an arbitrary line between the "economy" and "personal liberty." For most people, what you call the "economy" is the majority of their contact with the government and is extremely personal. For example, what right do I have to my own property? According to liberals you have less right to it than the government if you make a lot.
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