Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders (& others) finally face off
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[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;48897805]Pretty sure most people think hilary was a lot closer to sanders[/QUOTE]
It's balanced out, but Sanders hasn't fallen below 80% for more than a half second. Berniebots or newfound supporters?
[QUOTE=evilweazel;48897792]Literally all Bernie did was rotate out through "The millionaire class 1/10 of the 1% are bad" "Other countries do X and it works, we should do X", and "the way we need to treat the environment needs to be fixed." I can't really think about many times he didn't fall back to that. Those are all good things to talk about, but everyone already knows he is for those things.
I'm not criticizing the ideals he has, I'm criticizing the way he's campaigning and the way he presents himself. This was an extraordinarily large chance to sound off on some ideas he's been quiet on- but he bounced around spouting the same idealistic rhetoric he has been throughout his whole campaign. He doesn't seem to have the chops to be a strong leader, nor the desire to be. We've had quiet, fairly passive presidents before. He doesn't seem to even fall in that, if it isn't one of the special issues he's focused on, he doesn't even seem to want to have any part of it. When your job handles much more than those few interests, you need to have more to contribute to than that.
I wanted this to solidify my opinion of Bernie. It just proved my worries about his chances and opinions. I'm not worried about how he stands with democrats- I'm worried about how he can stand up to conservatives in a real election.[/QUOTE]
I was more frustrated with Hillary for going for the ultra-cheap Republican diss several times. That's not what we want - Sanders did the same thing a few times, but not as readily and not quite as harshly.
It solidified my opinion that Sanders has a chance. If Clinton is going to define the entire Republican party as a "political opponent" that she is [i]proud[/i] of having, Sanders comes off as significantly more reasonable and able to compromise than she does. It looks good on him, and makes her look like she's pandering for the republican-hating dems. Which she was.
Every poll I can find says Sanders won.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;48897789]Would you trust the Republicans to work with us at this point, though? For the past several years, they've done nothing but be contrarian and obstruct everything they can and what they can't, screw it up as it goes through. I'm not saying "if you're not with us, you're against us", I'm saying, "if you're not with us, then stay the hell out of the way."
I don't want us to sit around waiting while those backwards-ass slimeballs do everything in their power to stall any change until they're done with their life of comfort and in the ground.[/QUOTE]
Insulting an entire voter base is counter productive and harmful to the nation. You don't have to agree with them, you don't have to even [I]like[/I] them, but actual presidential candidates -[I]people that might become the most powerful person on earth[/I]- should not be ostracizing an entire political party. That goes for both democrats and republicans. Both are guilty.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;48897770][img]http://i.imgur.com/b4tsEgY.png[/img][/QUOTE]
Bernie is still holding strong at 80%
[QUOTE=Solomon;48897825]Every poll I can find says Sanders won.[/QUOTE]
Does Fox have a poll?
I was about to donate to Sanders' campaign but I wanted to hold off until I could see how he would perform at the debate. I'm actually a bit disappointed in how this turned out. As much as I do not like Clinton, she did very well in stealing Bernie's thunder and playing his game better than him and appealing to everyone with concrete ideas, rather than just circling around the same rhetoric about reform time and again.
[QUOTE=OvB;48897834]Does Fox have a poll?[/QUOTE]
Can't find one. The CNN polls say Sanders did it big time.
[QUOTE=Mr._N;48897839]I was about to donate to Sanders' campaign but I wanted to hold off until I could see how he would perform at the debate. I'm actually a bit disappointed in how this turned out. As much as I do not like Clinton, she did very well in stealing Bernie's thunder and playing his game better than him and appealing to everyone with concrete ideas, rather than just circling around the same rhetoric about reform time and again.[/QUOTE]
That has more to do with how shes trying to win people over by going for the safe and steady way out- answering with easy polling questions. I agree the Bernie could have done better, but Clinton would literally skip around questions with some non sequitur, like the bit with immigration reform and her saying "I supported obamacare for children"
[QUOTE=OvB;48897827]Insulting an entire voter base is counter productive and harmful to the nation. You don't have to agree with them, you don't have to even [I]like[/I] them, but actual presidential candidates -[I]people that might become the most powerful person on earth[/I]- should not be ostracizing an entire political party. That goes for both democrats and republicans. Both are guilty.[/QUOTE]
Name-calling or not, I'd rather not work with them if it's not necessary. Their goals and ours are directly contrary, and I'm tired of seeing us compromise with a political philosophy that has no larger goal than making [i]our[/i] goal fail and then placing the blame on us so they can get back in power.
Hillary "If you don't like it when I spy, you get a bullet in the eye" Clinton
Hillary "If you aren't on wall street than you are just a piece of meat" Clinton
Hillary "If you smoke weed you deserve to bleed" Clinton
[QUOTE=Splash Attack;48897870]Really, CNN?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/LRAb3qg.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Since the Clinton family probably funds or owns some significant % of CNN, they do have to pay [I]some[/I] lipservice to the Democratic Aristocrat.
[QUOTE=Splash Attack;48897870]Really, CNN?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/LRAb3qg.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Odd. Their TV channel just said that Sanders won the polls by a landslide.
[QUOTE=Splash Attack;48897870]Really, CNN?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/LRAb3qg.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
I'm really disgusted with CNN.
[QUOTE=Splash Attack;48897870]Really, CNN?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/LRAb3qg.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
I am using FP's commentary as an indicator as I can't seem to get the stream working.. but that seems horribly inaccurate.
She did a good job at defending against all the things wrong with her and why she shouldn't be president yeah, by deflecting them
She did good in the debate but shes a shit candidate
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;48897888]Since the Clinton family probably funds or owns some significant % of CNN, they do have to pay [I]some[/I] lipservice to the Democratic Aristocrat.[/QUOTE]
As much as the acronym would support that, they do not in fact control any large % of cnn
I can't find that poll that was screencapped earlier, where is it?
[QUOTE=Glitchman;48897901]She did a good job at defending against all the things wrong with her and why she shouldn't be president yeah, by deflecting them[/QUOTE]
If by deflecting you mean, "I'm a woman" then yeah she did fabulous.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;48897811]Jesus, read. I agree with what he is saying. I want the same things as he does with all of his social policies.
Sticking to those select few topics and social policies and not even having an opinion on anything besides them is going to gut him.
I'm not saying this because I don't like Bernie, I'm saying these things because I think he's the best democrat for his party, but seems to be opening himself up to getting hammered in the future.[/QUOTE]
i think he just sees those issues as being above all else and is annoyed that they aren't discussed as much as he'd like
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;48897904]I can't find that poll that was screencapped earlier, where is it?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://cnn.com/vote[/url]
[QUOTE=Splash Attack;48897870]Really, CNN?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/LRAb3qg.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
So CNN is going to play that game.
Bernie did really well imo for the first time being on the stage. Some of you need to calm down, there are 3 more before the primaries, he will learn a lot from this.
[QUOTE=Splash Attack;48897870]Really, CNN?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/LRAb3qg.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Is this about the fucking emails again?
To be honest, I laughed when she flat out said "No." to responding to Chafee. I really got a kick out of every one of the candidates expressing how fed up they were with Hillary's emails.
I think everybody pregamed for this debate. Even Cooper.
Honestly I don't find that Bernie did bad at all, because I can't easily remember the facts if I hear it only once and can relate to other people at my age who need things refreshed in the mind in order to be remembered very clearly.If you only barely heard about an idea you're just bound to forget about it sometime later if you don't ever hear about it or go over it again. I understand that it's pretty hard to listen to it as a already informed listener, but think of the people who have never thought about things the way Sanders has done today, I'd be sure that without his repeated rhetoric many people will start to misremember things from his portion of the debate in the long run.
Is Bernie the only fucking guy who opposes the Patriot Act?
[QUOTE=binkow;48897957]Is Bernie the only fucking guy who opposes the Patriot Act?[/QUOTE]
Yes. Hilary still supported it and the other guys apologized for voting wrong.. in fact they did that on quite a few issues.
[QUOTE=binkow;48897957]Is Bernie the only fucking guy who opposes the Patriot Act?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://educate-yourself.org/cn/patriotact20012006senatevote.shtml[/url]
