iPhone no longer the best selling smartphone of all time...for now - Polidicks

What phones should I look into if I replace mine? I've had a Motorola droid (original) for years now, and have gone through three. [QUOTE=W0w00t;38390055]i talk to limes too sometimes[/QUOTE] LIME people, not LIMES [thumb]http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6127/5928892593_622d1fa4f6_b.jpg[/thumb]

After my friend saw the Samsung hipster commercial she immediately sold her new iPhone to get it. Here I am still with Windows 7 Phone. FU microsoft

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;38390500]You'll love the amount of change you get now! Like changing to a new handset every 4 months because you're stuck on an old version and/or your handset has become obsolete![/QUOTE] if you are going to look like an idiot please be an informed idiot ktia

[QUOTE=The Baconator;38391451]well my point is allot of developers shun Android because of its problems, like how the Battleheart (whatever that rpg that was popular) stopped developing the Android version and giving more updates because Android is poor. Google can do better, but the Google loyalists just [I]take it[/I] WHY? They always accuse iOS owners of sucking Apple's cock but at least Apple's platform actually delivers, and actually gets top quality dev support. Android is being treated by app developers in a similar fashion that many companies treat PC gamers.[/QUOTE] I really wish you had any idea what you were talking about, I know you got an Android device and seem to be unhappy with it, but that doesn't mean you suddenly have the authority on everything Android. Developing for Android is pretty nice all things considered, still the best on any mobile platform I've used - the difficulty is not because Android is shit but because there's a lot of phones at different resolutions. Even that problem, which is usually a huge deal, is partially alleviated by Android as it has a few neat features to deal with that. It's also really easy to pirate apps for now (something that's supposedly being fixed) which is heavily discouraging as well. That's why there's so many free games with advertisements, it avoids the piracy problem entirely. Although it certainly has it's flaws I've really enjoyed my Galaxy Nexus, not sure why you think Android is so awful.

I love the way Baconator has a personal vendetta against android

I think the drop is just because there was that period of time before the iPhone 5 launch where everyone knew it was coming, but it just wasn't released yet, so everyone held out on buying a 4S since they knew the 5 was coming out soon. Like the article says: [quote]We expect the new iPhone 5 to out-ship Samsung’s Galaxy S3 in the coming fourth quarter of 2012 and Apple should soon reclaim the title of the world’s most popular smartphone model.[/quote] I agree Apple are facing more competition than ever in the smartphone and tablet markets, but for now they're safe.

[QUOTE=Rika-chan;38391824]I love the way Baconator has a personal vendetta against android[/QUOTE] don't get me wrong, i'm not a fan of android either, but what people need to learn is to accept that there are things about what they don't like that have value I don't like android because I think personally it's unintuitive for what a phone is supposed to accomplish, but i'll be damned if it isn't just fucking versatile as all hell

Ahem..let's all ignore that people stopped buying iPhone 4S in Q3 because the 5 is just around the corner. And that the 4S had sold over 80 million units as of September, compared to Samsung's 30 million that they're so excited about. Lol "of all time." More like of just one specific quarter because iPhone fans waited for the 5. Sorry to burst your bubbles, but the GS3 has sold about a third of what the 4S has sold. Try again later. Most sensational, untrue title...of all time.

Android is laggy because god knows why, there's so much crap going on that needs to be fixed in terms of performance to try and get it up to the level of WP8 and iOS. Though in all honesty, Android pre-4.1 can run on Snapdragon S2 devices very well.

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;38392336]Android is laggy because god knows why, there's so much crap going on that needs to be fixed in terms of performance to try and get it up to the level of WP8 and iOS. Though in all honesty, Android pre-4.1 can run on Snapdragon S2 devices very well.[/QUOTE] That's one of the major turn offs about android, it has a lot of great free apps, very open and has some a sleek UI but the android lag was unbearable, even for shit tier phones where on windows phone, those "shit tier's" don't run like they're about to die and even for 256mb of ram they still run really good.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;38392432]That's one of the major turn offs about android, it has a lot of great free apps, very open and has some a sleek UI but the android lag was unbearable, even for shit tier phones where on windows phone, those "shit tier's" don't run like they're about to die and even for 256mb of ram they still run really good.[/QUOTE] Windows Phone didn't really run very well on 256 MB of RAM, almost nothing does these days. That's just the way things go. Windows Phone is really good at hiding the lag but it can only do so much to compensate for a slow device.

My Samsung Focus with a single core 1GHz Shitdragon and 512MB of RAM is smoother than any Android phone out right now, even the ones with quad cores and 2GB RAM. And that's what you get for having an OS made out of fucking Java.

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;38392477]My Samsung Focus with a single core 1GHz Shitdragon and 512MB of RAM is smoother than any Android phone out right now, even the ones with quad cores and 2GB RAM. And that's what you get for having an OS made out of fucking Java.[/QUOTE] That's great. The problem is that only Android is a reasonably versatile mobile OS. WP and iOS are both meant to just be extensions of an ecosystem instead of an ecosystem unto itself on the web.

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;38392546]That's great. The problem is that only Android is a reasonably versatile mobile OS. WP and iOS are both meant to just be extensions of an ecosystem instead of an ecosystem unto itself on the web.[/QUOTE] They're all still operating systems, and the limitations are by design, not by technical impossibilities. Android's biggest flaw that makes it a stutterfest is the fact that its built with Java which hasn't exactly won awards for performance or security or anything really aside from cross-platform compatibility.

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;38392578]They're all still operating systems, and the limitations are by design, not by technical impossibilities. Android's biggest flaw that makes it a stutterfest is the fact that its built with Java which hasn't exactly won awards for performance or security or anything really aside from cross-platform compatibility.[/QUOTE] It's built with Dalvik VM in mind but it's been improved since the early days with the JIT compiler, it can only get faster in time. WebOS is even shittier, it's basically all HTML or some stupid crap like that.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;38391451]well my point is allot of developers shun Android because of its problems, like how the Battleheart (whatever that rpg that was popular) stopped developing the Android version and giving more updates because Android is poor. Google can do better, but the Google loyalists just [I]take it[/I] WHY? They always accuse iOS owners of sucking Apple's cock but at least Apple's platform actually delivers, and actually gets top quality dev support. Android is being treated by app developers in a similar fashion that many companies treat PC gamers.[/QUOTE] If anybody believed this guy wasn't trolling then they're fucking idiots.

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;38392461]Windows Phone didn't really run very well on 256 MB of RAM, almost nothing does these days. That's just the way things go. Windows Phone is really good at hiding the lag but it can only do so much to compensate for a slow device.[/QUOTE] Yeah but still, the limitations suck but I'd rather a smooth experience.

I never get this phone stuff. I'm still just a guy who uses a phone to text and make phone calls. The odd time I play a GBA emulator or ScummVM.

The Galaxy S3 definitely won't stay on top for long. They're probably like half way done designing the S4 by now.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;38390321]Basically all the people who defend Android are just Google fanboys[/QUOTE] so apparently my experience with android was just because I'm a google fanboy and not because of - .apk sideloading - crazy amounts of customization - smoothness (4.1 is great) - an intelligent notification system - good integration between apps, accounts, etc - usb-otg support for practically anything you can throw at it - the stability I've experienced (tends to vary depending on what phone or carrier you have but the Google flagship phones run beautifully) not trying to discredit iOS and Windows Phone, they're both good mobile OSes in their own rights but seriously dude the only one who's fanboying right now is you. [editline]10th November 2012[/editline] also I have no clue where you pulled that "android doesn't run well on older phones" card from because this seems to say otherwise: [video=youtube;7fkn2AfkWIg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fkn2AfkWIg[/video] yeah sure it's not buttery-smooth but it certainly doesn't run like you claim it does.

[QUOTE=Joeyl10;38392706]so apparently my experience with android was just because I'm a google fanboy and not because of - .apk sideloading - crazy amounts of customization - [B]smoothness[/B] (4.1 is great) - an intelligent notification system - good integration between apps, accounts, etc - [B]usb-otg support[/B] for practically anything you can throw at it - the [B]stability[/B] I've experienced (tends to vary depending on what phone or carrier you have but the Google flagship phones run beautifully) not trying to discredit iOS and Windows Phone, they're both good mobile OSes in their own rights but seriously dude the only one who's fanboying right now is you.[/QUOTE] These are only found in some of the recent flagship phones in the past year or so running 4.0 or newer. Older phones running older version of Android has greatly suffered from stability and smoothness. Some newer phones are also terrible at responsiveness because the developers can't optimize for shit. Stability and smoothness can never be generalized for Android as a whole.

[QUOTE=B!N4RY;38392744]These are only found in some of the mots recent flagship phones. Older phones running older version of Android has greatly suffered from stability and smoothness. Some newer phones are also terrible at responsiveness because the developers can't optimize for shit,[/QUOTE] the beautiful thing about Android phones is that ROMs are pretty easily flashed to them. it's more of an issue with the manufacturer than it is with Android itself. [editline]10th November 2012[/editline] older versions of Android can be a bit iffy stability-wise though, you are right.

I like my iPhone.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;38392811]I like my iPhone.[/QUOTE] But does your iPhone like you?

I thought this might happen eventually and I'm glad it did.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;38392904]I thought this might happen eventually and I'm glad it did.[/QUOTE] all our prayers have been answered praise GoD!

[QUOTE=B!N4RY;38392744]These are only found in some of the recent flagship phones in the past year or so running 4.0 or newer. Older phones running older version of Android has greatly suffered from stability and smoothness. Some newer phones are also terrible at responsiveness because the developers can't optimize for shit. Stability and smoothness can never be generalized for Android as a whole.[/QUOTE] My Arc had USB OTG support on Gingerbread (maybe it's something Sony did). On the performance front, it was great on Gingerbread, poor on ICS, but now i've upgraded to ICS it feels pretty much as smooth to use as my mates GNex, and the Arc only has a 1ghz Single core with 512 ram.

The whole patent fiasco impacted Apple's image among consumers very heavily for the worse

[QUOTE=The Baconator;38391262]better performance...rofl the iPhone 5 dual core cpu outperformed the quadcore on the SIII, because of good optimization. Granted it's not like performance matters on android because most of the demanding games that use engines like unreal engine 3 aren't on android (ie: Infinity Blade)[/QUOTE] I would like you to provide data that shows the iPhone 5 performing better in CPU related benchmarks than the SGSIII. I've seen them placed close to eachother in geekbench, but the SGSIII generally comes out on top, and honestly I wouldn't use geekbench even if it's the only cross-platform benchmark. I've seen it give wildly different results on the same device. Pretty much every other cross-platform benchmark you'll find out there is a browser benchmark, and that is even more pointless (if a bit more real-world) to compare. Let's take SunSpider, which is widely used: If you find that this should be used as a benchmark for CPUs, you'll also find that the WP8 devices outperform the iPhone 5, and even some of the new quad-core Krait SoCs by a large margin. Why doesn't this make sense? Because the WP8 devices uses dual-core Krait SoC's, and Adreno 225 instead of 320 ones. So all that difference is just software optimizing. Browsermark also depends on the browser a lot more than the hardware, really. Than comes the fact that you can pretty much optimize your browser to do well in these benchmarks, but not necessarily have it reflected in the real world. I suspect Microsoft did this with the IE in WP8, and I own a WP7 device. Anyhow, the iPhone 5's GPU is leagues better than most of what's out there (because we can actually test that), but saying that iPhone 5's CPU is objectively better than the SGSIII is impossible to judge as it stands right now. From what I've seen and what we know about it, I'll guess that it's about as good as the dual-core Kraits out there at pretty much the same clockspeed, though it has more memory bandwidth. Really I'll call the iPhone 5's CPU off as nothing too special, as it would seem that it's competing with the Kraits that came out 10 months ago, but the SoC as a whole is pretty cool. Also, this isn't [I]really[/I] a big deal for Apple, the iPhone 5 impacted the sale of the 4S a bit, though it's pretty cool that Samsung managed this anyway with the consumer mentality out there.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;38393205]I would like you to provide data that shows the iPhone 5 performing better in CPU related benchmarks than the SGSIII.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure he's drawing on [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1212447]this bit of dated information[/url].