iPhone no longer the best selling smartphone of all time...for now - Polidicks

[QUOTE=deadeye536;38393289]I'm pretty sure he's drawing on [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1212447]this bit of dated information[/url].[/QUOTE] Well, that's geekbench alright. Problem is, I've seen the SGSIII score upwards of 1800 on that on a (very) reputable website. And again, I'm not contesting that the iPhone 5's CPU is not nearly as good (or really as good, no one can really tell), but from we've seen, saying that it outperforms the Exynos 4 can be told off as being unlikely, if not BS. The Krait dual-cores are also pretty much the same performance-wise, so there's a reason why I compared the A6 to those.

[QUOTE=B!N4RY;38392744]These are only found in some of the recent flagship phones in the past year or so running 4.0 or newer. Older phones running older version of Android has greatly suffered from stability and smoothness. Some newer phones are also terrible at responsiveness because the developers can't optimize for shit. Stability and smoothness can never be generalized for Android as a whole.[/QUOTE] My HTC Desire running 2.3 doesn't have any lag issues and has only ever crashed when I've asked it to do something stupid that I would expect it to crash doing. Ironically it lags less than my Dad's GS2 but I put that down to him having millions of widgets clogging up his home screens whereas I only have a few (clock, weather, power control)

Most of my friends who owns an iPhone have changed it to the SGS III.

[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;38393527]My HTC Desire running 2.3 doesn't have any lag issues and has only ever crashed when I've asked it to do something stupid that I would expect it to crash doing. Ironically it lags less than my Dad's GS2 but I put that down to him having millions of widgets clogging up his home screens whereas I only have a few (clock, weather, power control)[/QUOTE] Or it could be that by default the GS2 uses Touchwiz, which seems to perform horribly regardless of the phone. That is unless he Custom ROM'd it.

No surprise there. Here's hoping Apple will get the message and their shit together.

[QUOTE=Forumaster;38390774][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/lPomv.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Shitty adverts like this make me want to see Samsung go bankrupt to be honest, and make me glad that they lost billions recently. [QUOTE=Protocol7;38391299]umm both platforms have graphically demanding games and the SoC of the phones don't affect gaming performance as much as you're implying if you're gonna put down the S3 at least do it right and in a way that isn't cunt-like[/QUOTE] I can run a Epic Citadel (a graphically demanding game) on my 3GS though. Can you run a 'graphically demanding game' similar to it, on an Android handset released in 2009? [QUOTE=LordCrypto;38391774]if you are going to look like an idiot please be an informed idiot ktia[/QUOTE] Five of my friends left the world of Android because they got stuck on a shit version and generally had a shitty experience being left behind. When they appealed to Android-savvy people for help they were told to 'get with the times' because they bought their phone 6 months ago.. Just because you're rich enough to buy a new flagship handset every four months because your old one was obsoleted, and act like it's acceptable for a company to quickly move on and leave their old customers stuck on a shitty outdated version, doesn't mean that the general populace is happy with that. We're talking mobile devices here.. which should simply work with minimal fuss and annoyance, you're acting like it's a fucking gaming PC which needs to constantly be on the cutting edge so you can.. hm.. I dunno, make calls, process word documents on the move, watch lackluster movies on a tiny screen with tinny headphones, play games on the same tiny screen for 3 hours until your battery runs out.. Strangely enough, my 3GS was [i]still[/i] on the cutting edge 3 years after I bought it, able to run anything, even newly released apps designed for three generations after it came out. Really, if you want a gaming PC, buy a fucking gaming PC. If you want a good smartphone, get an iPhone.

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;38393664]If you want a good smartphone, get an iPhone.[/QUOTE] Roflmao, even the new windows phones are better than iPhones. Just shows how much Apple has been riding on a fad.

[QUOTE=Van-man;38393792]Roflmao, even the new windows phones are better than iPhones. Just shows how much Apple has been riding on a fad.[/QUOTE] COol! [url=http://peacekeeper.futuremark.com/][img]http://cdn.macworld.co.uk/cmsdata/news/3409089/Futuremark.jpg[/img][/url]

Browser test? Really scope, I mean basing anything on something like that is stupid even for you Basing phone performance off a HTML5 test is pretty daft. :v:

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;38393664]Shitty adverts like this make me want to see Samsung go bankrupt to be honest, and make me glad that they lost billions recently. I can run a Epic Citadel (a graphically demanding game) on my 3GS though. Can you run a 'graphically demanding game' similar to it, on an Android handset released in 2009? Five of my friends left the world of Android because they got stuck on a shit version and generally had a shitty experience being left behind. When they appealed to Android-savvy people for help they were told to 'get with the times' because they bought their phone 6 months ago.. Just because you're rich enough to buy a new flagship handset every four months because your old one was obsoleted, and act like it's acceptable for a company to quickly move on and leave their old customers stuck on a shitty outdated version, doesn't mean that the general populace is happy with that. We're talking mobile devices here.. which should simply work with minimal fuss and annoyance, you're acting like it's a fucking gaming PC which needs to constantly be on the cutting edge so you can.. hm.. I dunno, make calls, process word documents on the move, watch lackluster movies on a tiny screen with tinny headphones, play games on the same tiny screen for 3 hours until your battery runs out.. Strangely enough, my 3GS was [i]still[/i] on the cutting edge 3 years after I bought it, able to run anything, even newly released apps designed for three generations after it came out. Really, if you want a gaming PC, buy a fucking gaming PC. If you want a good smartphone, get an iPhone.[/QUOTE] First off, the Epic Citadel isn't really graphically demanding, and there are many games like it on both platforms, that could well be played on 2009 handsets regardless of OS. It's merely a demonstration to show that they have their games working on phone hardware. It doesn't feature any sort of AI or dynamic lighting at all - just baked shadowmaps, which really isn't "demanding". If you don't want to be 'left behind', don't buy low end phones. Low end phones will always be left behind. The only reason there are no iPhones that really get 'left behind' is because the OS is intrinsically similar with every rehash anyway, and because Apple makes all the phones running their OS, and there's so few of them that updating isn't really an issue. However, if you buy a Google Nexus phone or even a flagship phone from pretty much any manufacturer, you can expect software updates for at least a few years. And even if you don't, custom ROMs aren't difficult. Also you can't use your smartphone being able to play graphically intensive games as an argument, and then say that if you want performance in games you might as well buy a gaming PC... Also an FYI, that advert with the 'Do you love iPhone?' isn't actually official, do you really think they'd send out an ad with spelling and grammar errors? No, I didn't think so either. [b]I'm not saying you can't have personal preference, it's just that some of those points don't really count. They're both fine phones, even though I vastly prefer Android and Windows Phone[/b]

[QUOTE=Profanwolf;38393834]Browser test? Really scope, I mean basing anything on something like that is stupid even for you :v:[/QUOTE] It's an HTML5 test by futuremark that uses canvas elements & even 3D. The scores are nothing to do with rendering errors or how the browsers function, purely the performance that the devices give whilst running the tests. It's pure CPU crunching in the most side-by-side way possible because the code used is exactly identical. All that's different is the way that each device & browser renders/handles it. iOS devices get awesome scores simply because they are so well optimized, despite having, on paper, less impressive hardware. There is no way they could cheat to make their devices perform better at a test like this. [QUOTE=Profanwolf;38393834]Basing phone performance off a HTML5 test is pretty daft. :v:[/QUOTE] Oh really? Well if browser technology isn't the way forward, why the fuck did Android go on about Flash being a necessary requirement for so long before deciding it was shit and discontinuing it? HTML5 is the PERFECT test for performance of anything, because it's exactly the same no matter what you test it on. It's down to the developers alone to optimize their hardware/ software for it.

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;38393855]It's an HTML5 test by futuremark that uses canvas elements & even 3D. The scores are nothing to do with rendering errors or how the browsers function, purely the performance that the devices give whilst running the tests. It's pure CPU crunching in the most side-by-side way possible because the code used is exactly identical. All that's different is the way that each device & browser renders/handles it. iOS devices get awesome scores simply because they are so well optimized, despite having, on paper, less impressive hardware. There is no way they could cheat to make their devices perform better at a test like this.[/QUOTE] You know different browsers on the android devices would likely perform differently due to the different rendering engines used in them? either way you're pretty funny lol

[QUOTE=Profanwolf;38393864]You know different browsers on the android devices would likely perform differently due to the different rendering engines used in them? either way you're pretty funny lol[/QUOTE] Well go run it in any browser you want? Prove to yourself that your device uses it's awesome quad-core to it's fullest extent in rendering some simple HTML5 canvases? The fact that their are different browsers means nothing. They're using the same libraries and using the same processes no matter what they name it or how it's styled. The lackluster processing issue lies in the Kernel or HAL.

Aww how cute, cherrypicking benchmarks in order to look superior [IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/emot-allears5.gif[/IMG]

Android needs to go native soon. You can only push Java so much.

guys it's a phone

[QUOTE=thisispain;38393919]guys it's a phone[/QUOTE] Are you putting the glorious Nokia 3310 in the same basket as the Apple trash?

[QUOTE=The Baconator;38391451]well my point is allot of developers shun Android because of its problems, like how the Battleheart (whatever that rpg that was popular) stopped developing the Android version and giving more updates because Android is poor. Google can do better, but the Google loyalists just [I]take it[/I] WHY? They always accuse iOS owners of sucking Apple's cock but at least Apple's platform actually delivers, and actually gets top quality dev support. Android is being treated by app developers in a similar fashion that many companies treat PC gamers.[/QUOTE] I like android because it's an open platform with a wide range of hardware for it, it has every app I need and the most intensive game I play on a phone is tetris.

[QUOTE=Van-man;38393946]Are you putting the glorious Nokia 3310 in the same basket as the Apple trash?[/QUOTE] that phone could be used as an underwater torpedo and still come out in pristine usable condition

[QUOTE=Van-man;38393916]Aww how cute, cherrypicking benchmarks in order to look superior :allears:[/QUOTE] It's fucking Futuremark. They've been benchmarking PCs for decades. [url]http://peacekeeper.futuremark.com/[/url] I've already explained why HTML5 is an unbiased test that lies solely on the developers to optimize well - if you don't understand that, then you're clearly just some nerd-wannabe and fundamentalist fanboy defending a provably sub-par performance device. If your argument was that iOS devices are closed platform, that would be a reasonable argument. If your argument was that iOS devices are too expensive, that would be a reasonable argument. If your argument was that iOS devices can't have pokemon on them, that would be a reasonable argument. Nope - you choose to repeatedly attack Apple on the hardware front, when we have a provably more optimized OS, and have had for years.

still using a flip phone

[QUOTE=thisispain;38393977]that phone could be used as an underwater torpedo and still come out in pristine usable condition[/QUOTE] And that even had a fair pricetag for it's time.

Ugh I knew as soon as I entered this thread we'd get SCopE5000 bursting in ready to become the hero that iOS deserves, slaying down all these inferior companies like samsung, how dare they taint the glory of Apple [I]It's a fucking phone, people.[/I]

people are getting angry over operating systems for a phone this is the best

[QUOTE=FlashFireSix;38394530]Ugh I knew as soon as I entered this thread we'd get SCopE5000 bursting in ready to become [b]the hero that iOS deserves[/b], slaying down all these inferior companies like samsung, how dare they taint the glory of Apple [I]It's a fucking phone, people.[/I][/QUOTE] Yep, the iOS hero. Still relevant. Unlike the HTC Hero.

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;38394586]Yep, the iOS hero. Still relevant. Unlike the HTC Hero.[/QUOTE] Did you actually just try and tell me that a 2009 phone is out of date. No shit. I have news for you, my 2nd gen iPod touch (Also from 2009) has been killed off by updates from Apple, and none of the apps launch because apparently I need to reset it before I can use it again because it's been deactivated for so long. Amazing. but the HTC hero? Yeah that thing still works, my girlfriends dad uses his day to day and it functions like the day it was purchased. What were you saying again?

Honestly the only reason I haven't switched from my iPhone to an android phone is all the stuff about how android phones rarely guarantee updates to the latest OS, whereas my 3GS (which is more than 4 years old) is still getting updates, and can run iOS 6. Someone said on the front page that "every bidget phone has android" or some shit like that, if that was the case I would have an android phone right now for developing.

[QUOTE=FlashFireSix;38394616]Did you actually just try and tell me that a 2009 phone is out of date. No shit. I have news for you, my 2nd gen iPod touch (Also from 2009) has been killed off by updates from Apple, and none of the apps launch because apparently I need to reset it before I can use it again because it's been deactivated for so long. Amazing. but the HTC hero? Yeah that thing still works, my girlfriends dad uses his day to day and it functions like the day it was purchased. What were you saying again?[/QUOTE] iPhone 3GS from 2009 runs iOS 6. No Android devices from 2010 even run the latest version officially, not even the Nexus One.

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;38394702][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_S[/url] Wrong.[/QUOTE] Oh jeez yah the Nexus One and Nexus S came out in the same year. I apologize, there is a single device that does.

[QUOTE=Kaabii;38394682]iPhone 3GS from 2009 runs iOS 6. No Android devices from 2010 even run the latest version officially, not even the Nexus One.[/QUOTE] That's because recently Google stepped up their game with android, with JB and ICS, I'd say the S3 will be updated for a few years more at least, now that android is (slowly) getting optmized But yeah, the 3GS may be running iOS6 but I know for a fact that it's not perfectly smooth as iOS is supposed to be, and my iPod touch from the same year is running 4.something at a slow rate, and was basically abandoned as soon as the new iPod touch came out (Sorry your device requires iOS 5+ to run this app!) Honestly I was surprised at the 3GS still being catered to, it feels the nicest to hold out of the iPhone line (smooth back) so props to them for that.