• Realistic pellet gun wielding 8th grader gunned down.
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[QUOTE=Clementine;34058580]well you see that little safety thing that is there? yeah that's a big difference and i think that all cops shoulda been able to tell /sitting behind a screen not understanding shit exaggeration[/QUOTE] Glocks don't have safeties, what the fuck are you talking about. Oh the fire selector. That's a Glock 18 model to switch between automatic and semi-automatic fire. Glock 18s aren't really used by law enforcement anyways. Point still stands, Glocks don't have safeties. The only "safety" features I know of are a magazine disconnect which renders the weapon unable to fire even with a loaded chamber when the magazine is absent, and the double-trigger system where the right half needs to be pulled back equally with the left side in order to discharge a round. There are no levers and shit on Glocks. Your safety is your finger and wit.
[QUOTE=DaBigManZM;34058807]Glocks don't have safeties, what the fuck are you talking about.[/QUOTE] well technically they have a trigger safety but thats pretty much impossible to identify at range, but so are traditional safeties as well
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34058837]well technically they have a trigger safety but thats pretty much impossible to identify at range, but so are traditional safeties as well[/QUOTE] I really like Walther P99's and the little red dot that protrudes out of the rear of the grip when a round is loaded. Still can't see that from the front though.
[QUOTE=DaBigManZM;34058873]I really like Walther P99's and the little red dot that protrudes out of the rear of the grip when a round is loaded. Still can't see that from the front though.[/QUOTE] i don't think that's a safety also glocks have that feature too iirc
[QUOTE=Flyboi;34058022]They could have at least shot to injure, I mean three cops all shooting is way over the top... he'd have gone down with a bullet to the knee.[/QUOTE] You've been watching too many movies champ. At any rate shooting him in the knee probably would have killed him too.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34058911]i don't think that's a safety also glocks have that feature too iirc[/QUOTE] It's called the ILS (Internal Locking System) and as far as I know it's purely optional on a Glock. [editline]4th January 2012[/editline] I should reword myself. Glocks don't have "traditional safeties" such as levers. Instead it all depends on how you handle your finger on the trigger, thus making your finger the safety.
What kind of cop could pull the trigger and execute a 15-year-old who never fired a single shot at them or anyone else, and was never really armed in the first place?
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;34059134]What kind of cop could pull the trigger and execute a 15-year-old who never fired a single shot at them or anyone else, and was never really armed in the first place?[/QUOTE] It only takes one shot from the kid to have killed someone. And nobody knew it was a pellet gun until after he was shot.
If it was something like a Nerf gun or something, I'd be outraged but if it's a realistic looking one, then I can understand why they would react to that. The kid was just dumb.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;34059134]What kind of cop could pull the trigger and execute a 15-year-old who never fired a single shot at them or anyone else, and was never really armed in the first place?[/QUOTE] What kind of poster would ignore an entire thread, and ask the same question on the front page in the first place?
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;34059074][B]Glock 18s have the selector switch[/B]. Do you think the fuzz being aimed on was thinking really hard about whether if was a 17 or 18? 9mm, .40 or 10mm? Jesus christ. To go extra gun nut mode, how are the Glock 17 and 18 not similar?[/QUOTE] The fuck are you arguing with me for? Reread my last sentence before you accuse me of thinking the police cared about what models guns are. I'm making a statement about the picture, not the article. Go start an argument with someone else.
15 year old in 8th grade? :downs:
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;34059134]What kind of cop could pull the trigger and execute a 15-year-old who never fired a single shot at them or anyone else, and was never really armed in the first place?[/QUOTE]The kind of cop who can't tell if its a real gun or not an- just read the damn thread. This has been covered.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;34059134]What kind of cop could pull the trigger and execute a 15-year-old who never fired a single shot at them or anyone else, and was never really armed in the first place?[/QUOTE] the kind who was dealing with a 15 year old kid aiming a gun at him and refusing to put it down seriously i'm the guy that makes huge anti-cop posts in these sort of threads and i have to tell you you're being unfair? that should be a sign that you're taking cop hate too far
[QUOTE=Rammaster;34059155]If it was something like a Nerf gun or something, I'd be outraged but if it's a realistic looking one, then I can understand why they would react to that. The kid was just dumb.[/QUOTE] I've seen some nice mods and paint jobs on the Maverick that made the impression it was a real Smith & Wesson.
[QUOTE=tier56;34057377]It was a pellet gun? I thought he was brandishing a real firearm?[/QUOTE] It looks very realistic, I can easily understand how it could be mistaken for a real one. [editline]5th January 2012[/editline] I feel really bad for the cop who has to live with doing that.
[QUOTE=Soldier32;34057383]There's always a better way to handle a situation but I can understand why the officer made the decision and I can imagine once they learned that it was a pellet gun they feel like complete shit.[/QUOTE] When the police is stuck in what could be a dangerous situation, they do what they need to do in order to protect those around him. If that was a real gun, none of us would be saying that there was a better way around it. The police prepare for the worst and what they did was fully justified. Talking someone out of holding a gun is only done if the gun is not pointed at somebody, if the gun is pointing at a potential victim, then the shot is justified.
[QUOTE=Aspen;34057422]i can't sympathize. he first was stupid enough to bring a realistic looking pellet gun (that happens to look like a glock) to a school, and then aims it at cops? deserved it.[/QUOTE] I don't think there's anything a 15 year old can do that makes them deserving of death cop wasn't really all that wrong but he's going to feel like shit
[QUOTE=Xion12;34059510]When the police is stuck in what could be a dangerous situation, they do what they need to do in order to protect those around him. If that was a real gun, none of us would be saying that there was a better way around it. The police prepare for the worst and what they did was fully justified. Talking someone out of holding a gun is only done if the gun is not pointed at somebody, if the gun is pointing at a potential victim, then the shot is justified.[/QUOTE] Right. They even told him to put the gun down; I don't know what this kid was thinking. "Lol, they won't shoot me I'll just keep pretending I have a real weapon."
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;34057424][B]YOU DON'T FUCKING GUN DOWN A FUCKING PERSON THAT'S NOT FUCKING FIRING IN ANY FUCKING WAY. [/B]Could've tased him at the very most, Jesus fucking Christ.[/QUOTE] Boy I hope all police deal with armed people this way from now on, we'll save so many criminal lives!
[QUOTE=Gundevil;34060060]Boy I hope all police deal with armed people this way from now on, we'll save so many criminal lives![/QUOTE] this just in police deaths quadruple. coming up next: how to prove to your local gang leader that your life has value
Seeing as how officers are trained to "Neutralize" The target, And he aimed the gun at them after a Hostage situation-like talk down for him to put down the Pellet gun, It was justified. They did not fire to kill him. OP says they fired three shots, two hit. Two bullets killed him. And thinking that a cop would be able to effectively judge how many bullets would down him and how many would kill in the time it could have taken him to pull the trigger and Let lead mingle with their foreheads had he been equipped with a real firearm is ridiculous. There is no time to aim for a specific limb or aim to avoid vital organs when you know you might as well be hitting the floor with a slug in your chest in the next half-second!
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;34060085]Seeing as how officers are trained to "Neutralize" The target, And he aimed the gun at them after a Hostage situation-like talk down for him to put down the Pellet gun, It was justified. They did not fire to kill him. OP says they fired three shots, two hit. Two bullets killed him. And thinking that a cop would be able to effectively judge how many bullets would down him and how many would kill in the time it could have taken him to pull the trigger and Let lead mingle with their foreheads had he been equipped with a real firearm is ridiculous. There is no time to aim for a specific limb or aim to avoid vital organs when you know you might as well be hitting the floor with a slug in your chest in the next half-second![/QUOTE] Huh?
Okay, just going to weight in seriously here. The cops responded to a report of a kid with a gun at a school, potentially means that he could hurt a good 30+ kids considering the size of classes here at least. So you already have adrenaline in the system, you don't notice every fine detail of the weapon, just are focused on making sure you survive and as many people as possible. You walk in, one student has already been assaulted, so they can see it as if he was trying to control people. Kid's in the hallway with a realistic looking pellet gun, he points it at police and to the best of their knowledge, it's a live weapon so they take out the threat before they are killed. Not a single thing was done wrong on the cop's side. Plenty of chances for the kid to smarten up. You do not go less lethal on a person armed with a gun in a building full of kids, this isn't Flashpoint. The kid was 15, he has the intelligence to know that you do not bring a pellet gun to school, let alone any weapon. Police acted based upon information they had and on their reflexes that have been imprinted into them. Too shoot a person in the leg is just as deadly as the chest, the largest part of your leg is your thigh, you have the Femoral artery there, you nip that and it's game over. Arms also are tricky, so what if you shoot one arm, he is pumped up also so he can just use the other to maneuver. Even then, chances are higher of hitting the shoulder which also contains major arteries and veins, along with bone and you do not want a bullet that the cops use to hit there, little pieces of lead go into the body. Tasers? Yea, this isn't the movies, they aren't the end all be all of non-lethal weapons. And as was said, arms and legs are constantly moving which is why people who are trained to use weapons are taught to aim for center mass (torso). Stop your complaining about that the kid and it's sad he died. Stupid people die all the time, this one just died a different way and by his own actions.
[QUOTE=Clementine;34058580]well you see that little safety thing that is there? yeah that's a big difference and i think that all cops shoulda been able to tell /sitting behind a screen not understanding shit exaggeration[/QUOTE] Hum yeah right you'd need to be really close from the gun to notice that one little detail. The cops obviously weren't.
Wow, the cops really fucked up here (like usual) If I was operating in this combat situation, I would have tactically suppressed the boy using a fire extinguisher, and then deployed my body mass in a fashion as to incapacitate the boy. To all the haters, saying I don't know what I'm talking about, well, my “Black-Ops” history ensures that you will never know about the missions I accepted in my younger days, and Vietnam still shudders when it hears the name of a an assasin so skillful and deadly, he is remembered decades later.
First rule of combat, strike the enemy first.
[QUOTE=notlabbet;34060474]First rule of combat, strike the enemy first.[/QUOTE] ah yes facepunch, where one day you can find threads about the increased militarization of the police and how it's dangerous and then the next day find a post about how cops are in combat and need to strike the enemy first
[QUOTE=nivek;34058020]Everyone says "kids fault"... ...I say parents fault.[/QUOTE] Kids can do stupid shit even if their parents bring them up nicely. Even the nicest of kids can turn into idiotic assholes at random out of nowhere, because they're just kids. It just happens that this time was the worst time to do so.
[QUOTE=Aspen;34057422]i can't sympathize. he first was stupid enough to bring a realistic looking pellet gun (that happens to look like a glock) to a school, and then aims it at cops? deserved it.[/QUOTE] He deserved to be shot to death for pointing a toy gun at police officers? Yes, it was the natural outcome of the situation, but he didn't fucking deserve it.
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