Washington pay-by-mile pilot program approval expected - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46681895]Like fuck people are going to be okay with the government bugging their cars and charging them money for the privilege. Especially when [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/supreme-court-warrants-needed-in-gps-tracking/2012/01/23/gIQAx7qGLQ_story.html"]the Supreme Court says you need a warrant to track someone's car.[/URL] Never going to happen. Of course, between Onstar-like systems and cell phone tracking, the government can already track your location any time they feel like it. But they can't send you a [I]bill[/I] for it.[/QUOTE] they'll just get warrants for 316 million people easy peasy also you kinda already pay for the phone tracking, it comes out of taxes

[QUOTE=Elspin;46681197]There's no way they could possibly deny that they were just doing it to spy on people either, because there's a million other ways to track miles driven that don't also [i]tell the other party exactly where you've been[/i]. I mean cars sort of already car an odometer without a GPS, thanks.[/QUOTE] You mean like the other three methods, including a simple odometer reading, that are equally valid options as clearly described in the article? [QUOTE=nikomo;46681617]... A GPS tracker, in every car. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope nope nope nope nope nope nopenopenopenopenopenope[/QUOTE] Tesla tracks every car they sell and people love how they can get immediate roadside assistance anywhere. That's just direct GPS implementation, meanwhile any vehicle with networking functionality like built-in phone service can be tracked just as easily. Becauses these technologies are becoming more widespread, and with the increasing complexity of diagnostics and onboard support equipment, some form of tracking is in just about every new car coming off the assembly line. Like it or not, it's already happening.

[QUOTE=Elspin;46681091]Huh, now that I that I think about it, it makes sense that if you got rid of gas driven cars they'd need a new way to support road taxes. Surprised that it's having that big of a dent already though[/QUOTE] Honestly it probably hasn't made much of a dent, with the amount of time it's going to take for this to implement they're probably assuming hybrid and electric cars will take over. Which ofc they will. But I don't really expect hybrids and electrics to take over even by 2020.

[QUOTE=Elspin;46681091]Huh, now that I that I think about it, it makes sense that if you got rid of gas driven cars they'd need a new way to support road taxes. Surprised that it's having that big of a dent already though[/QUOTE] Funny enough, Japan charges a road tax that is based on the engine classification of your vehicle. Yellow plates (small engines 660 cc or less) are like $30 a year. 300 plates, such as a Mitsubishi EVO VII costs $200+ a year. Simpler way to tax vehicles that are more gas hungry and produce more emissions. I think that's a much better, more permanent solution as opposed to wasting a shit ton of manpower and money to track people. I mean yeah, you can pay a flat rate which is the same thing.

[QUOTE=TestECull;46681271]Can you not read? I clearly said it's a reason I wouldn't use it in the post you quoted. Please kindly [i]read[/i] before you reply, don't knee-jerk to the first few words you see.[/QUOTE] What are you going to do this time? Tell the GPS tracker to "fuck off and get a warrant" too? Jesus fucking Christ you need to stop being such a mopy asshole. Not everything is some big conspiracy out to fuck you in particular over. Not Tesla, not the police asking for volunteer searches, not a proposed method of taxing vehicle usage post-petrol.

This sounds overcomplicated. Why not simply have a flat tax for every car owner?

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;46681269]Just commit tax fraud guys, it's cool.[/QUOTE] It worked with the Poll Tax.

[QUOTE=Ta16;46683245]Funny enough, Japan charges a road tax that is based on the engine classification of your vehicle. Yellow plates (small engines 660 cc or less) are like $30 a year. 300 plates, such as a Mitsubishi EVO VII costs $200+ a year. Simpler way to tax vehicles that are more gas hungry and produce more emissions. I think that's a much better, more permanent solution as opposed to wasting a shit ton of manpower and money to track people. I mean yeah, you can pay a flat rate which is the same thing.[/QUOTE] That wouldn't help the problem. In fact, it could exacerbate it. The problem is that funding for transportation comes from gas taxes. Back when gas was cheap and vehicles weren't efficient, there was enough taxes in proportion to the amount of vehicles putting wear and tear on the roads. Now that vehicles are more efficient, they are burning less gas, meaning less tax revenue, but they are still putting the same amount of wear and tear on the road. Considering EVs use NO gas, yet still drive on the road, they essentially aren't paying anything for using the roads. This could easily be solved with a per-mile system. For most of us, a simple odometer check when you get your inspection done would suffice. The only people who would really need a gps type system or a logging system is those who are often off-road (like work trucks). But other than that, I think a per-mile system would be best WITH the elimination of the gas tax.

Just have a little ticket that you print off and take when you get on the highway. It'd have the location of the booth you got it from and the time you got it. Now have a place to turn it in at the exits. You get charged based on the distance you traveled from where you got the ticket. Bam. No invasion of privacy, no over-complexity. If I'm not mistaken, some places in some states already use a system like this. Unless there are any glaring errors with that system, why not just do that?

[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;46683815]Just have a little ticket that you print off and take when you get on the highway. It'd have the location of the booth you got it from and the time you got it. Now have a place to turn it in at the exits. You get charged based on the distance you traveled from where you got the ticket. Bam. No invasion of privacy, no over-complexity. If I'm not mistaken, some places in some states already use a system like this. Unless there are any glaring errors with that system, why not just do that?[/QUOTE] now making it even harder to keep traffic flowing on and off freeways

[QUOTE]- or they can download a smartphone application.[/QUOTE] How would this even work? How would they know when I'm driving? What if I'm riding with a friend or on the bus? What if I turn my phone off when I drive? This whole thing is kind of dumb.

Or they could just, you know, not spend billions on explosives and munitions and maybe stop giving blank checks to other federal offices to save some money rather than get more of it. [editline]10th December 2014[/editline] Oh fuck me, that's not Capitalist at ALL! It would never work.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;46684732]Or they could just, you know, not spend billions on explosives and munitions and maybe stop giving blank checks to other federal offices to save some money rather than get more of it. [editline]10th December 2014[/editline] Oh fuck me, that's not Capitalist at ALL! It would never work.[/QUOTE] I believe this tax is for the state of Washington to pay for road maintenance. That has nothing to do with the federal defense budget.

It's a good idea, if not for the fact that almost everyone still has to pay for gas. Now we have to pay for every mile we drive, too? Fuck off

Toll roads were bad enough. Also who thought it would be a good idea to use a GPS device when odometers have existed for what, half a century now? Did some executive at some GPS manufacturing company try to make some under-the-table deal or something?