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[editline]24th October 2010[/editline]
Also, it is a flawed analogy. Driving on the right side of the road has never been illegal or frowned upon in this country, for any reason. Cheating, on the other hand, has always been viewed as a bad thing to do and is punishable in most games.
That aside, I do see how this could've cause some problems. My friends and I like fucking around with Lua aimbots and other such things in our own servers, just among ourselves. Imagine if one of those cheats had used a module, and we didn't think to disable VAC because it wasn't in effect at the time (or so we thought). Couldn't this be considered a wrongful ban?
[QUOTE=kill3r;25612049]only on MW2, and that was my brother.[/QUOTE]
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That's bullshit
[QUOTE=kill3r;25612049]What? I wasn't, I was just saying, I haven't been VAC banned for cheating myself, only on MW2, and that was my brother.[/QUOTE]
Gee I sure believe you, "BUT MY SIBLING DID IT!!!11!" is the best excuse of all.
Meh I don't really care I barely play Steam games anymore.
[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;25616310]Gee I sure believe you, "BUT MY SIBLING DID IT!!!11!" is the best excuse of all.[/QUOTE]
Could be true, just a few days ago a friend of mine made a spam thread on my account here and got me banned for shits and giggles.
Excuses like that are usually bullshit, but there's always that rare case where it's true.
I don't think this even needs to be explained to any cheater who got caught.
If I make game without cheat blocking measures and people cheat in it, I'd build a cheat blocking program whether the cheaters want it or not.
The game I built was meant to be enjoyed by everyone, not the handful of people who found hacks.
If you cheat, you don't play with people who don't cheat. End of story.
I understand we agreed to be punished for cheats ( and I beleive we should be ) but I still find it a bit wrong to not enforce your rules for years, then secretly begin to keep tabs on cheaters, then ban them a month later and point them back to a document they agreed to at the creation of their steam accounts/purchase of gmod (that has never been enforced in GMOD before) and say "You can no longer play on VAC servers, and you can't use the new toybox feature." If you create a rule, you are promising to always enforce it, you can't create a rule, say "Naw, its cool, you can do whatever you want :D", then a while later say "NO, NO, YOU already agreed not to cheat, enjoy your ban." I know you have the right, but that doesn't mean you aren't being unfair, although no ones birth certificate ever said life (or gmod) would be fair.
P.S.
I'm just glad this doesn't effect me whatsoever, because I understand that anything you do that has to bypass anything, is usually against some rules. xD
They shouldn't be cheating in the first place
[QUOTE=TurbisV2;25616369]If I make game without cheat blocking measures and people cheat in it, I'd build a cheat blocking program whether the cheaters want it or not.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call VAC a cheat blocker, because you can still cheat with VAC enabled.
Even though it says you won't get banned for Non-Cheat LUA Addon stuff im still afraid to use gmod due to the fact that it might trigger it :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=Wii60;25617254]Even though it says you won't get banned for Non-Cheat LUA Addon stuff im still afraid to use gmod due to the fact that it might trigger it :tinfoil:[/QUOTE]
You won't ever get banned for lua scripts.
That last sentences was a really dick thing to say.
[QUOTE=Wii60;25617254]Even though it says you won't get banned for Non-Cheat LUA Addon stuff im still afraid to use gmod due to the fact that it might trigger it :tinfoil:[/QUOTE]
If lua hacks could trigger it, a malicious server could send a lua aimbot to clients and get them banned. Garry will never make Lua cheats bannable.
[QUOTE=Maurice;25612070]Linking to the ssa and saying "it said here that cheating is not allowed" is just dumb.[/QUOTE]
How so?
[QUOTE=SuperHoboMan;25617750]That last sentences was a really dick thing to say.[/QUOTE]
Why? I thought it was quite a clever dig at VAC banned cheaters.
[B]Some users stated that it’s unfair since Garry should have given all the cheaters a notice ahead of time to delete their cheats. Isn’t that unfair?[/B]
How is it unfair exactly, the persons who ruined other peoples gaming experience got what they deserve. This way he caught most of them without their notice, serves them right, plus they only got banned from gmod and not all source games.
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Garry did the right thing, making gmod clean of cheaters is a step in the right direction. No more aimbots in zombie survival and other gamemodes.
What i find funny, the people that whine about this are most likely the hackers, and it makes me warm and fuzzy inside knowing that they are locked up safe in "VAC's Vault" as i liked to call it...
[editline]24th October 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=madmax678;25618612]What i find funny, the people that whine about this are most likely the hackers, and it makes me warm and fuzzy inside knowing that they are locked up safe in "VAC's Vault" as i like to call it...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=mercurius;25618563][B]Some users stated that it’s unfair since Garry should have given all the cheaters a notice ahead of time to delete their cheats. Isn’t that unfair?[/B]
How is it unfair exactly, the persons who ruined other peoples gaming experience got what they deserve. This way he caught most of them without their notice, serves them right, plus they only got banned from gmod and not all source games.
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Garry did the right thing, making gmod clean of cheaters is a step in the right direction. No more aimbots in zombie survival and other gamemodes.[/QUOTE]
That sentence was meant to be sarcastic and to show how flawed the anti-VACers arguements are.
If you can't take the VAC don't do the HACK.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;25613519]I guess you missed the point where fairness comes into play.
I did. As I said electronically signed contracts are rarely held up in court - but that doesn't matter because everyone on Facepunch is a legal expert.
I have no idea what you're trying to allude to? Read up on EULA's legality status in the US if you want to.
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The only one acting like they're a legal expert here is you, and you act like you know what you're talking about everywhere and yet I've never seen any court cases that would back up what you've been saying.
People should get the hell over it. The only ones who are whining about VAC are the 12 year old script kiddies that cheats in multiplayers, who deserves to be banned without a second thought to keep the game cleaner.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;25613519]I guess you missed the point where fairness comes into play.[/quote]
Fairness doesn't mean shit. If you ignored traffic signs and got a ticket for speeding, would that be unfair? No, because you chose to ignore them. If you choose to blindly agree to the SSA and ignore it, then get banned for it, is that unfair? No, because you ignored it.
[quote]I did. As I said electronically signed contracts are rarely held up in court - but that doesn't matter because everyone on Facepunch is a legal expert.[/quote]
Again, no-one ever pursues a punishment for people breaking the EULA/TOS/TU/ect, that does not mean they don't hold up in court, it just means hardly anyone takes it to court.
[quote]I have no idea what you're trying to allude to? Read up on EULA's legality status in the US if you want to.[/quote]
I know the legality of them and they CAN be enforced.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;25617160]I wouldn't call VAC a cheat blocker, because you can still cheat with VAC enabled.[/QUOTE]
I was speaking in terms of if I created my own game, outside of vac-land.
[editline]25th October 2010[/editline]
Metaphors are hard to sell on forums.
Pfffaahaha
"If you can't take the VAC, don't enable the HACK"
[QUOTE=DogGunn;25612147]People don't realise contracts normally have to be fair.
You can't all of a sudden just go and state, you will be punished retroactively, when it's never been the case until now.
It's not fair - and citing the SSA would never hold up legally.
Anyway, I couldn't care less about the issue, not banned, don't cheat, never will.[/QUOTE]
I'm effected by this since my brother hacked on his account, and that's the account my parents bought me GMod on. And if I get GMod on my other account, I won't have the CSS models.
Everyone stop whining about VAC and move on it's like the new youtube channels just deal with it
The SSA argument doesn't fly because those things have shown to not be legally binding in court.
However, purchasing the game through Steam DOES count as a legally-binding contract the minute money is exchanged for a product or service. If the product or service is not provided, the seller can be sued.
[QUOTE=FFStudios;25625755]Pfffaahaha
"If you can't take the VAC, don't download hacks that were made by an idiot"[/QUOTE]
It's not as catchy but it's more accurate.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;25626289]The SSA argument doesn't fly because those things have shown to not be legally binding in court.
However, purchasing the game through Steam DOES count as a legally-binding contract the minute money is exchanged for a product or service. If the product or service is not provided, the seller can be sued.[/QUOTE]
It's not like you can no longer play GMod, you're just restricted to single player and servers with VAC disabled.
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