Why enabling VAC was necessary - Polidicks

I remember having a few people come in to my Listen server on 9/26 with aim bots and somehow crashing it. I am just wondering if that is anywhere close to when it was activated. Kinda got scared of making a new one since then.

The only people whining about this are idiots anyways. Forget about em

I don't see why people think Cheating is fun It is completely boring, watching a program do all the work for you while you sit laughing at people that complain that is completely stupid might as well kick their ass fairly and then laugh at them to make them ragequit.

Why the fuck would you need to hack on Garry's Mod That's just redundant and unnecessary

Cheating has always been super fucking annoying. I used to get so pissed back in the days of Socom on ps2 when people would find all the level glitches and auto aim/infinite ammo shit. Game ruining haha

[QUOTE=Sprocket Shit;25619697]The only one acting like they're a legal expert here is you, and you act like you know what you're talking about everywhere and yet I've never seen any court cases that would back up what you've been saying.[/QUOTE] As I've said before, to you, I would have more of an idea on the legality of such issues than you do, at least in Australia. Take my word on it, the SSA would very likely not be a legally binding document. As I said to another user, go read up the legality of electronically signed documents in the US. It does not have a good history. All I have said so far that what has happened is unfair - that is all. Nothing to do with it being wrong (it needed to be done) - just unfair. [editline]25th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=robmaister12;25628419]It's not like you can no longer play GMod, you're just restricted to single player and servers with VAC disabled.[/QUOTE] And no toybox. [QUOTE=Chirno;25623087]Fairness doesn't mean shit. If you ignored traffic signs and got a ticket for speeding, would that be unfair? No, because you chose to ignore them. If you choose to blindly agree to the SSA and ignore it, then get banned for it, is that unfair? No, because you ignored it.[/QUOTE] This is so irrelevant it's rediculous. [QUOTE=Chirno;25623087]Again, no-one ever pursues a punishment for people breaking the EULA/TOS/TU/ect, that does not mean they don't hold up in court, it just means hardly anyone takes it to court. I know the legality of them and they CAN be enforced.[/QUOTE] You have no clue what you're talking about. As I said, go read up the legality of end-user license agreements. They rarely hold up in court - at least in the US.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;25612757]Why, because you agreed not to cheat? That's like never learning about laws and going to kill somebody, then complain when somebody points out it's against the law. Enlighten me, why wouldn't they?[/QUOTE] Yeah, but your first argument is invalid because with the VAC situation you have access and you agree to listen to the SSA, it's your own fault if you didn't know, unlike in your argument.

[QUOTE=Elxir;25630677]Yeah, but your first argument is invalid because with the VAC situation you have access and you agree to listen to the SSA, it's your own fault if you didn't know, unlike in your argument.[/QUOTE] Just like you could use common sense (or a lawbook) to see if you're allowed to kill another human being. Or you could use common sense or the effort to look up the SSA to see if you're allowed to cheat.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;25630627]And no toybox. [/QUOTE] Garry is not obligated to provide ToyBox to anyone.

[QUOTE=starpluck;25632801]Garry is not obligated to provide ToyBox to anyone.[/QUOTE] I could see that logic if Garry's Mod was free, but it's not. He's obliged to provide a service to people who paid for his game.

[SIZE=2][QUOTE=DogGunn;25632826]I could see that logic if Garry's Mod was free, but it's not. He's obliged to provide a service to people who paid for his game.[/QUOTE][/SIZE] And that “service” is Garry’s Mod. ToyBox is completely optional was just recently introduced. You’re saying if he all of a sudden discontinued ToyBox for everyone for whatever issues, be it bandwidth or something, he’s breaking his obligation? Of course not.

[QUOTE=starpluck;25632859]And that “service” is Garry’s Mod. ToyBox is completely optional was just recently introduced. You’re saying if he all of a sudden discontinued ToyBox for everyone for whatever issues, be it bandwidth or something, he’s breaking his obligation? Of course not.[/QUOTE] I don't agree with that, but I see your point.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;25633397]I don't agree with that, but I see your point.[/QUOTE] Too bad, he can do whatever he wants with his game. Can't wait to see all the 12 year olds cry when he updates to the Portal 2 engine and they can't play in dx7 / 8 mode.

Isn't it breaking a human right sort of, there is the one that states "If it was not a crime when you did it you cannot be punished" or something like that; well VAC was not on Gmod when some people used the hacks so why should they be punished. Nowhere in the rules for Gmod does it say no hacking (obviously before he installed VAC) I think it’s a bit extreme it should be up to the server owners to ban a player from the server and not from the entire game. Don't get me wrong I have nothing against VAC being installed but I don't think the people who cheated pre VAC install should be banned that’s all. .

You're right, banning people for cheating is against their human rights.

[QUOTE=Rombishead;25634888]Isn't it breaking a human right sort of, there is the one that states "If it was not a crime when you did it you cannot be punished" or something like that; well VAC was not on Gmod when some people used the hacks so why should they be punished. Nowhere in the rules for Gmod does it say no hacking (obviously before he installed VAC) I think it’s a bit extreme it should be up to the server owners to ban a player from the server and not from the entire game. Don't get me wrong I have nothing against VAC being installed but I don't think the people who cheated pre VAC install should be banned that’s all. .[/QUOTE] It WAS an offense when they did it because the SSA says you're not allowed to use hacks or cheats.

Cheater cheater, baby eaters!

[QUOTE=Rombishead;25634888]Isn't it breaking a human right sort of, there is the one that states "If it was not a crime when you did it you cannot be punished" or something like that; well VAC was not on Gmod when some people used the hacks so why should they be punished. Nowhere in the rules for Gmod does it say no hacking (obviously before he installed VAC) I think it’s a bit extreme it should be up to the server owners to ban a player from the server and not from the entire game. Don't get me wrong I have nothing against VAC being installed but I don't think the people who cheated pre VAC install should be banned that’s all. .[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.garry.tv/?p=841[/url]

This is almost like people thought garrysmod didn't have VAC enabled until now and they took advantage to cheat. It's almost like saying it's legal to pirate a game until a patch includes some sort of copy protection. Almost, because it's the cheaters that end up getting fucked over, and not the legitimate players.

[QUOTE=Legend286;25634767]Too bad, he can do whatever he wants with his game. Can't wait to see all the 12 year olds cry when he updates to the Portal 2 engine and they can't play in dx7 / 8 mode.[/QUOTE] He couldn't stop people from playing completely.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;25636902]He couldn't stop people from playing completely.[/QUOTE] If he updates gmod and it breaks for people running dx8, it's their fault.

[QUOTE=Legend286;25637242]If he updates gmod and it breaks for people running dx8, it's their fault.[/QUOTE] That's different. It's only natural for things to get updated and left behind.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;25636902]He couldn't stop people from playing completely.[/QUOTE] Actually according to the SSA that's also possible, any time for any reason without notice at all. But I [B]extremely[/B] disagree with it. It basically means that you don't own the games, only the rights to use it. Hence why they call every game purchase a "subscription".

[QUOTE=starpluck;25637364]Actually according to the SSA that's also possible, any time for any reason without notice at all. But I [B]extremely[/B] disagree with it. It basically means that you don't own the games, only the rights to use it. Hence why they call every game purchase a "subscription".[/QUOTE] I also disagree with this, but it is the way most software is distributed to users. We have to either deal with it or stop using anything that isn't open source...

I'm sorry for such a stupid question, but why introduce VAC to a physics sandbox with no storyline and nothing to gain other than fun and a few pointless achievements? Garry's Mod has tons and tons of gamemodes from its large community, but none of them affect your Steam stats in any way other than said achievements and how long you've been playing this game itself. It's simply a Half-Life 2 mod anyway, you don't see Valve sticking VAC bans on people playing SMOD, Synergy (Rarely, I think), and other HL2 mods, so why do it to this one? This whole ordeal makes about as much sense as placing a cat on your keyboard and expecting him to type up a best-selling story just because the cat food you feed him/her has a label on it that says "Keeps your cat healthy and smart!". TL;DR Why bother, Valve?

[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;25641537]I'm sorry for such a stupid question, but why introduce VAC to a physics sandbox with no storyline and nothing to gain other than fun and a few pointless achievements? Garry's Mod has tons and tons of gamemodes from its large community, but none of them affect your Steam stats in any way other than said achievements and how long you've been playing this game itself. It's simply a Half-Life 2 mod anyway, you don't see Valve sticking VAC bans on people playing SMOD, Synergy (Rarely, I think), and other HL2 mods, so why do it to this one? This whole ordeal makes about as much sense as placing a cat on your keyboard and expecting him to type up a best-selling story just because the cat food you feed him/her has a label on it that says "Keeps your cat healthy and smart!". TL;DR Why bother, Valve?[/QUOTE] Like Garry said, Gmod has grown beyond being 'just a sandbox game' and has gamemodes with actual objectives, such as TTT. Besides that, cheaters are a huge annoyance in general. And Valve does stick VAC bans on things like Synergy since they're VAC protected. And that analogy is just plain horrible.

[QUOTE=kill3r;25612049]What? I wasn't, I was just saying, I haven't been VAC banned for cheating myself, only on MW2, and that was my brother.[/QUOTE] Guilty Conscience? Lol.

I don't care if Garry enabled VAC ban. I barely play Gmod anyway.

[QUOTE=starpluck;25637364]Actually according to the SSA that's also possible, any time for any reason without notice at all. But I [B]extremely[/B] disagree with it. It basically means that you don't own the games, only the rights to use it. Hence why they call every game purchase a "subscription".[/QUOTE] That's the same with the license to a retail game, but it doesn't mean that the legality of such a decision would hold up if challenged. That's the point I'm trying to bring across, the SSA is not gospel.

This wouldn't be be so bad for me if I hadn't inadvertently screwed around with Faphack in single player, went on one single server just to screw around with some helicopters on there, and the server was secure. Now I'm gonna miss out on toybox. :smith: