iPhone owner suffers 3rd degree burns after his phone spontaneously combusted in his pocket - Polidicks

Look at the pictures guys, he had a case over his phone. How the fuck did it bend through a case like this is the bigge rproblem now.

[QUOTE=tratzzz;47229574]Look at the pictures guys, he had a case over his phone. How the fuck did it bend through a case like this is the bigge rproblem now.[/QUOTE] I don't understand how mechanical stress works either???

Just throwing this out there: We don't even know if it was the original battery in the phone. Replacing a 5C battery is trivial, but Apple don't provide replacement parts so you're inherently dealing with inferior products. If he hadn't had a replacement, then the phone was definitely bent enough to rupture the battery, no matter what he claims in the article. Modern Lithium-Ion batteries have [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery#Safety]several safeguards[/url] in place to prevent malfunction and especially explosion; short of actually trying to destroy the battery, the only way to circumvent them enough to explode in a well-designed battery is to physically damage them enough for 2 cells to mix.

[QUOTE=tratzzz;47229574]Look at the pictures guys, he had a case over his phone. How the fuck did it bend through a case like this is the bigge rproblem now.[/QUOTE] If it was an awful case, yeah it could totally bend. Much like how the Otterbox Commuter is a much lighter, less protective case compared to the Otterbox Defender (two-part hard plastic cage/casing covered in a silicone sheath) which is like a tank for a phone.

There's also the fact that to get anything done in the US you actually have to sue. It's very rare that a governmental agency will step in to help you unlike a lot of other countries. Considering that Apple isn't going just give him money like that for his injuries, he's got no choice but to sue.

[QUOTE=pentium;47229042]There is also that fact that a cup of coffee is and always will be a [highlight]hot[/highlight] beverage, much like if you buy a phone as thin as a wafer cookie you should expect it to be just as fragile as a wafer cookie when put in your pocket. In other words, dumb people want money for doing dumb things and you can't say no because [i]the customer is always right,[/i], no longer by corporate belief but by law. This doesn't allow companies to get away with making cheap and shitty products but any company can go so far (that includes Apple weather we hate them or not) before it is up to the end user to understand what they are doing or holding can have several different outcomes and it is up to [them] to not injure themselves.[/QUOTE] A cup of coffees function is being a hot drink. An iPhones function is NOT being a firebomb. There's a huge difference. [editline]28th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=pentium;47229095]IS it a problem if I'm serious because yes, I'm serious.[/QUOTE] Are you PUI? No sane person would say shit like that

[QUOTE=Antdawg;47228832]them feels when you read this article on an iPhone 5C[/QUOTE] Hey man careful how you waggle it otherwise it's gonna be a fiery eye wash for you. [editline]28th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=subenji99;47229615]Just throwing this out there: We don't even know if it was the original battery in the phone. Replacing a 5C battery is trivial, but Apple don't provide replacement parts so you're inherently dealing with inferior products. If he hadn't had a replacement, then the phone was definitely bent enough to rupture the battery, no matter what he claims in the article. Modern Lithium-Ion batteries have [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery#Safety]several safeguards[/url] in place to prevent malfunction and especially explosion; short of actually trying to destroy the battery, the only way to circumvent them enough to explode in a well-designed battery is to physically damage them enough for 2 cells to mix.[/QUOTE] Which is kinda the point, as people have mentioned already in the thread that apples products are known for being pretty flimsy, if that's the case then I can't imagine it would be too difficult to destroy a battery.

[QUOTE=pentium;47229042]There is also that fact that a cup of coffee is and always will be a [highlight]hot[/highlight] beverage, much like if you buy a phone as thin as a wafer cookie you should expect it to be just as fragile as a wafer cookie when put in your pocket. In other words, dumb people want money for doing dumb things and you can't say no because [I]the customer is always right,[/I], no longer by corporate belief but by law. This doesn't allow companies to get away with making cheap and shitty products but any company can go so far (that includes Apple weather we hate them or not) before it is up to the end user to understand what they are doing or holding can have several different outcomes and it is up to [them] to not injure themselves.[/QUOTE] The issue is McDonald's was selling an unreasonable unsafe product. The coffee was being held at 82-88 degrees C, much higher than it really needs to be. Water at this temperature causes third degree burns in 2-7 seconds. Lowering the temperature to 71 degrees C would have increased the time taken to 20 seconds, while still keeping it hot enough to guarantee getting you a hot drink. The coffee that actually goes into your mouth is about 50-60 degrees C. Any hotter would scald your lips, tongue and throat.

I have the same phone, my screen stick out a tiny little bit where the battery is under.

[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;47229789]There's also the fact that to get anything done in the US you actually have to sue. It's very rare that a governmental agency will step in to help you unlike a lot of other countries. Considering that Apple isn't going just give him money like that for his injuries, he's got no choice but to sue.[/QUOTE] Not to mention that Apple has a history of not admitting their mistakes and flaws until they receive hefty amount of pressure to do so, or can shift the blame onto some other company. When people say that Apple is a arrogant company, then they're not kidding or exaggerating.

[QUOTE=pentium;47229042]There is also that fact that a cup of coffee is and always will be a [highlight]hot[/highlight] beverage[/QUOTE] um It shouldn't be at temps that can burn you to the third degree? What if she didn't spill it but instead tried to drink it

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;47229062]are you fucking retarded. who makes coffee that is so hot as to cause third degree burns. where are warning labels on phones stating not to keep them in your pocket else they might explode? why the hell is anyone making a phone that can't handle the stress of being in a pocket to the point where it could literally explode? do you seriously see this as "dumbass customer just wants money for shit lmao"[/QUOTE] I agree that phones shouldn't explode and that he should sue. However with the McDonalds case, they served coffee at 82 degrees celcius, acording to the link above. Water boils at 100 degrees, so you should expect coffee to be between 70-90 degrees when you order it. What are they going to do, brew the coffee and then wait or cool it afterwards before serving it?

[QUOTE=mrpirate;47230378]I agree that phones shouldn't explode and that he should sue. However with the McDonalds case, they served coffee at 82 degrees celcius, acording to the link above. Water boils at 100 degrees, so you should expect coffee to be between 70-90 degrees when you order it. What are they going to do, brew the coffee and then wait or cool it afterwards before serving it?[/QUOTE] Well, yes. Considering that's what they [url="http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm"]actually do.[/url]

[QUOTE=mrpirate;47230378]I agree that phones shouldn't explode and that he should sue. However with the McDonalds case, they served coffee at 82 degrees celcius, acording to the link above. Water boils at 100 degrees, so you should expect coffee to be between 70-90 degrees when you order it. What are they going to do, brew the coffee and then wait or cool it afterwards before serving it?[/QUOTE] So, meat cooks at a few hundred degrees, I guess I should expect my hamburger to be a few hundred degrees and sear my tongue when I bite into it? How thick are you?

[QUOTE=mrpirate;47230378] What are they going to do, brew the coffee and then wait or cool it afterwards before serving it?[/QUOTE] They should. Because otherwise, it's hot enough to seriously burn people to the point where they need expensive skin grafts, which makes it a dangerous product. I mean come on, are you seriously defending them serving coffee at a high enough temperature for it to damage the mouth and throat if you attempt to drink it?

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;47230471]They should. Because otherwise, it's hot enough to seriously burn people to the point where they need expensive skin grafts, which makes it a dangerous product. I mean come on, are you seriously defending them serving coffee at a high enough temperature for it to damage the mouth and throat if you attempt to drink it?[/QUOTE] That's how coffee is, hot. When you make coffee at home do you drink it right after making it or do you wait for it to cool down?

[QUOTE=Roger Waters;47230457]So, meat cooks at a few hundred degrees, I guess I should expect my hamburger to be a few hundred degrees and sear my tongue when I bite into it? How thick are you?[/QUOTE] When i make instant coffee i am still able to not burn myself, even though the coffee is probably 90 degrees at serving point. I guess this is not logic for americans tho, where everything remotely dangerous end up in a lawsuit. [IMG]http://lawhaha.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/viagra1-300x225.jpg[/IMG]

a whole bunch of phones explode. it's totally understandable to want the manufacturer to cover personal damage/injuries but i don't think there's any specific flaw in an iPhone 5/6 that would make them any more prone to Li-on battery issues than any other smartphone a class-action lawsuit would make no sense here though. [editline]28th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Sitkero;47229365]Call me crazy but a mobile phone bending and [I]goddamn exploding[/I] because it's being carried in a pocket sound a lot more like manufacturer faults than consumer faults to me[/QUOTE] yes, it probably is. it could have something to do with the case on the phone too, but that's another issue. this is more likely to be a batch issue than an actual design flaw, otherwise this issue would be much more prominent. this isn't a reason to claim the iPhone explodes or something [editline]28th February 2015[/editline] lithium batteries like to swell up in [I]any[/I] device. i've seen them swell in laptops, phones from any manufacturer you could name. it's a particularly sensitive technology and is very dangerous when things manage to go wrong

[QUOTE=FordLord;47228868]Couldn't this be dismissed by saying that the case caused it in some way?[/QUOTE] No. If anything the case saved the man's leg from having to be amputated. [editline]28th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Darth Ninja;47229070]Just so you guys know generally boiled water is used to make coffee. Which is over 200 degrees Fahrenheit when the McDonalds coffee was only made to be 185 degrees. So the coffee was not as hot as the coffee you make at home in your jug.[/QUOTE] You do realize that the boiling point of water means that is the temperature that it is going to turn to steam right? As in, no longer a liquid, but a gas instead? Coffee machines don't make coffee steam, sorry. Plus I'm 100% sure you don't just drink coffee straight from the drip on the mr.coffee. That means that the coffee sits there and cools over time while it sits being made. The end product is probably somewhere around 180 degrees depending on the size of the pot being made.

[QUOTE=mrpirate;47230585]When i make instant coffee i am still able to not burn myself, even though the coffee is probably 90 degrees at serving point. I guess this is not logic for americans tho, where everything remotely dangerous end up in a lawsuit.][/QUOTE] Lmao, you made your disagreement into nationalist bollocks. Fucking classic. (I'm not from America, chum, flagdog lies.)

[QUOTE=LSK;47229147]What are consumer protection laws for 500 please. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkdmOVejUlI[/media] You can't sell products that are shoddy and above all, dangerous to the consumer because of poor production standards. It's rule number one for selling anything, let alone things that have the potential to explode.[/QUOTE] Well then keep screaming at the wall because Apple has been sued repeatedly for it and overall they make too much money to care.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47230515]That's how coffee is, hot. When you make coffee at home do you drink it right after making it or do you wait for it to cool down?[/QUOTE] Why don't you try putting a liquid at 90 degrees C in your mouth and tell me how it goes?

[QUOTE=.Lain;47230605]a whole bunch of phones explode. it's totally understandable to want the manufacturer to cover personal damage/injuries but i don't think there's any specific flaw in an iPhone 5/6 that would make them any more prone to Li-on battery issues than any other smartphone a class-action lawsuit would make no sense here though. [editline]28th February 2015[/editline] yes, it probably is. it could have something to do with the case on the phone too, but that's another issue. this is more likely to be a batch issue than an actual design flaw, otherwise this issue would be much more prominent. this isn't a reason to claim the iPhone explodes or something [editline]28th February 2015[/editline] lithium batteries like to swell up in [I]any[/I] device. i've seen them swell in laptops, phones from any manufacturer you could name. it's a particularly sensitive technology and is very dangerous when things manage to go wrong[/QUOTE] Generally it's down to the build of the phone. Phones like the iphone 6 which have been known to be much more bendy than others are technically more prone to exploding because there is more mechanical stress on the battery than there would be if the phone was more rigid in construction. (bet you regret bankrupting the sapphire glass company now huh Apple?) But other than that, there's no reason that the phone should be more prone to exploding short of shit quality batteries, no.

that's the 6 plus. the incident in the OP was with an iPhone 5 also sapphire is relatively brittle. it would do not a lot versus using gorilla glass [editline]28th February 2015[/editline] also, the bending issue is another batch issue. the amount of people having their iPhones bent at all is/was ridiculously over-blown. nobody talks about it anymore, which is a showing sign for that much

[QUOTE=.Lain;47230906]that's the 6 plus. the incident in the OP was with an iPhone 5 also sapphire is relatively brittle. it would do not a lot versus using gorilla glass [editline]28th February 2015[/editline] also, the bending issue is another batch issue. the amount of people having their iPhones bent at all is/was ridiculously over-blown. nobody talks about it anymore, which is a showing sign for that much[/QUOTE] I'm not saying it wasn't a small issue or anything, just that it was an issue for a specific phone product and as a result, could be related to future battery explosions. Anyway, as to the sapphire glass, it's not sapphire in the traditional sense. It's basically heat treated aluminium oxide powder, which turns to synthetic sapphire glass, the heat treating process actually removes the internal weakness in sapphire. This glass is actually stronger than gorilla glass, although it is also more costly. It was rumoured that the engineers at Apple had actually accounted for this improvement in said glass to aid the structural support of the 6 plus to prevent bending as we saw it. Instead Apple took the cheaper route to further maximize their insane profit margins(corporations sure are great) and as a result, we got the bending production runs and viral media sensation of the 6 plus. Note I also said more bendy, not like it's the only phone that has some flex in the world. Other phones are just made of plastic and steel, so they don't bend as easily as the aluminium bodies that Apple uses.

Regarding the McDonald's hot coffee case... [QUOTE=https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts]Here is some of the evidence the jury heard during the trial: McDonald's operations manual required the franchisee to hold its coffee at 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit. Coffee at that temperature, if spilled, causes third-degree burns in three to seven seconds. The chairman of the department of mechanical engineering and biomechanical engineering at the University of Texas testified that this risk of harm is unacceptable, as did a widely recognized expert on burns, the editor-in-chief of the Journal of Burn Care and Rehabilitation, the leading scholarly publication in the specialty. McDonald's admitted it had known about the risk of serious burns from its scalding hot coffee for more than 10 years. The risk had repeatedly been brought to its attention through numerous other claims and suits. An expert witness for the company testified that the number of burns was insignificant compared to the billions of cups of coffee the company served each year. At least one juror later told the Wall Street Journal she thought the company wasn't taking the injuries seriously. To the corporate restaurant giant those 700 injury cases caused by hot coffee seemed relatively rare compared to the millions of cups of coffee served. But, the juror noted, "there was a person behind every number and I don't think the corporation was attaching enough importance to that." McDonald's quality assurance manager testified that McDonald's coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured into Styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn the mouth and throat. McDonald's admitted at trial that consumers were unaware of the extent of the risk of serious burns from spilled coffee served at McDonald's then-required temperature. McDonald's admitted it did not warn customers of the nature and extent of this risk and could offer no explanation as to why it did not. [/QUOTE]

are people in this thread literally insinuating that "oops, sat on my phone, gonna have to chop off my asscheeks from all this fucking exploded radiation" is valid? if i sit on my phone i should be sad that the screen cracked not that i'll never sit down the same ever again what the fuck

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47230515]That's how coffee is, hot. When you make coffee at home do you drink it right after making it or do you wait for it to cool down?[/QUOTE] What kind of a defusing question is this? Of course I wait for it to cool down.

lithium ion batteries scare me, but at the same time there are billions of phone users and only a few thousand will have this happen to them, it is like winning the shittiest lottery

[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;47230978]Regarding the McDonald's hot coffee case... [quote]McDonald's admitted at trial that consumers were unaware of the extent of the risk of serious burns from spilled coffee served at McDonald's then-required temperature. McDonald's admitted it did not warn customers of the nature and extent of this risk and could offer no explanation as to why it did not.[/quote][/QUOTE] the end of that is like asking a child why they were throwing rocks at a cat and they just respond "I... dunno. is it bad?" like they were [i]handing it to people[/i] at 180-190f, not just brewing it. Pretty much everywhere else will serve it at 130-140 [i]and it's still really hot[/i] but you're not going to sit there and wait for it to cool down for an hour. The whole case has been a pretty hallmark example of a smear campaign to trivialize serious shit that should hurt your company's image. [QUOTE=itisjuly;47230515]That's how coffee is, hot. When you make coffee at home do you drink it right after making it or do you wait for it to cool down?[/QUOTE] I don't ask for my ramen broth to still be boiling when I eat my noodles, even if it somebody says it's done for 'optimal taste'