Steam to get plugin support and start selling movies and music, beta code suggests - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ehmmett;45653735]There already are movies on steam.[/QUOTE] When did The Last of Us come to Steam?

Steam is a shitty program. Great service though. Origin closes and opens lightning quick, doesnt take much resources. Steam on the other hand, will gobble up so much resources it will take up 90 CPU power while in offline mode. Takes forever to close, and hardly wants to connect to the internet. Update : Right now, I just checked task manager and over [I]fifteen[/I] instances of GameOverlayUI.exe are running, taking up 40 percent of power. I was wondering why it was so slow recently.

[QUOTE=TheCombine;45659992]Yeah, that's the exact problem I had, sucks that this solution doesn't work for you.[/QUOTE] Coincidentally the day they finally replied the notification at least disappeared. I don't know if there's just a time limit on how long they store offline messages and it just so happened to coincide with their reply or they just didn't feel like acknowledging a bug or what but at least it's gone now.

[QUOTE=Ziron;45656553]I think what's holding back Steam's development is that they don't have anyone BUT techie-types working there. Techie-types are good for setting up the initial, but they tend to be pretty shit with things like good GUIs. It's also the reason why they seem more interested in things like opening up Steam to every developer than improving it. If I were Valve, I'd hire a shitload of people just to completely redo the thing as much as possible instead of having John Cook and his tiny band of misfits try to jam more functions into it.[/QUOTE] Valve has the means and the need to hire a much bigger team, but they refuse to do so. May be because they're dead afraid of leaks or something, but limiting your team to 300 blokes when you are running the leading game selling platform on the market is fucking dumb.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45660733]Valve has the means and the need to hire a much bigger team, but they refuse to do so. May be because they're dead afraid of leaks or something, but limiting your team to 300 blokes when you are running the leading game selling platform on the market is fucking dumb.[/QUOTE] 300 integral staff. they hire more than 300 people

Whenever I download anything from Steam my computer shits itself and I dont have a clue why. Origin downloaded my games fine with no problems.

[QUOTE=Korova;45653805](Valve is a billion dollar company and they can't acquire one of the designers from Microsoft/Google/Apple? Come on)[/QUOTE] Yes Steam needs to look like every other boggled, overly simplified, absurdly shitty contrasting white and silver interface that clogs up the internet spectrum. Steam has been the one company that remembered monitors were getting bigger and dark colors don't bleed your eyes to fuck on a 32 inch. For fuck sake enough with the god damn snow white backgrounds on everything.

[QUOTE=Axznma;45662194]Yes Steam needs to look like every other boggled, overly simplified, absurdly shitty contrasting white and silver interface that clogs up the internet spectrum. Steam has been the one company that remembered monitors were getting bigger and dark colors don't bleed your eyes to fuck on a 32 inch. For fuck sake enough with the god damn snow white backgrounds on everything.[/QUOTE] sucks shit when i aint wearing my glasses, in a dark room, with my brightness on the way low. cant read shit i dont know what game im opening or what tab i am on, origin is way better as a program

[QUOTE=Axznma;45662194]Yes Steam needs to look like every other boggled, overly simplified, absurdly shitty contrasting white and silver interface that clogs up the internet spectrum. Steam has been the one company that remembered monitors were getting bigger and dark colors don't bleed your eyes to fuck on a 32 inch. For fuck sake enough with the god damn snow white backgrounds on everything.[/QUOTE] Getting someone to clean up the code would be a much higher priority to me than any sort of visual redesign. Yet Valve seems to of pushed another slight visual tweak to the whole of Steam with the most recent big update released outside of beta.

[QUOTE=RikohZX;45700492]Getting someone to clean up the code would be a much higher priority to me than any sort of visual redesign. Yet Valve seems to of pushed another slight visual tweak to the whole of Steam with the most recent big update released outside of beta.[/QUOTE] The issue with this seems to be Valve's management structure. No one wants to do bugfixing or code cleanup and their management structure allows them to get away with only fixing critical bugs since everyone can choose what they want to work on.

Valve has kinda been trying to push hiring of more not-top-of-their-class people(which they have been doing as such because they have like zilch training).. lets hope they do a good job

i don't see the purpose of steam branching into all these other forms of media other than to make their SteamOS a more valid competitor to current consoles (but even with these additions i dont think it is even close to being a competitor). all it does is divert attention from what they should be focusing on, and what has made them so successful, which is games. steam is a complete mess right now, both in design and functionality. it used to be that if i had a bit of extra money and i wanted a new game to play for a while, i'd just go on the front page of the steam store and there would typically be something worthwhile up there. steam's move to the whole greenlight self regulation nonsense has turned it into a junkyard of indie game spam. at this point the only thing steam really has going for it is huge sales and a large library of games. everything else feels a bit taped together and valve aren't doing much on the game development end to make up for the lack of meaningful action within steam.

Why do people care how much RAM the program is taking up now? Most of you will probably have more than enough RAM to not have to give a crap about what programs are open.

Remember that there are 0 hints of Steam itself getting plugins. It could very well be a plugin type for plugins to software apps distributed on Steam. Don't get too hyped just yet.

[QUOTE=Mkt778;45705329]Jesus christ, this thread has just turned into a steam hate circle jerk. Give the fucking program some credit, it's not [I]that[/I] bad. Also, are you guys [I]sure[/I] it's taking up as much as you say it does? [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SpZLqFh.png[/IMG] My computer has been on all day. Both programs running. Neither have been touched. Neither are downloading anything. I have watched these two operate over several courses of [I]months. [/I]Steam is always running less than Origin. I've seen steam run [I]half[/I] of that number, too. Origin simply just takes up more resources.[/QUOTE] Exactly. I don't get what some people in this thread are doing with their computers. For me (and friends I usually play with) Steam hasn't crashed/locked-up/some other shit for years or done the other stuff some people posted in this thread. This even includes the change of hardware several times. Before I read the posts in this thread I didn't even know people actually had those problems. The only real problems (at least the ones I can think of now) are the occasional community downtimes, which can be really annoying, especially when you are in voice-chat with friends.

[QUOTE=Mkt778;45705329]Jesus christ, this thread has just turned into a steam hate circle jerk. Give the fucking program some credit, it's not [I]that[/I] bad. Also, are you guys [I]sure[/I] it's taking up as much as you say it does? [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SpZLqFh.png[/IMG] My computer has been on all day. Both programs running. Neither have been touched. Neither are downloading anything. I have watched these two operate over several courses of [I]months. [/I]Steam is always running less than Origin. I've seen steam run [I]half[/I] of that number, too. Origin simply just takes up more resources.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/QXgwKqH.png[/img] Both programs are completely idle. Origin has always used less resources for me and maybe that's because of Windows 8 but it doesn't change the fact that Origin has provided me with a better user experience than Steam has.

[QUOTE=Mkt778;45705329]Jesus christ, this thread has just turned into a steam hate circle jerk. Give the fucking program some credit, it's not [I]that[/I] bad. Also, are you guys [I]sure[/I] it's taking up as much as you say it does? [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SpZLqFh.png[/IMG] My computer has been on all day. Both programs running. Neither have been touched. Neither are downloading anything. I have watched these two operate over several courses of [I]months. [/I]Steam is always running less than Origin. I've seen steam run [I]half[/I] of that number, too. Origin simply just takes up more resources.[/QUOTE] while true, I'd wish Steam used more if that'd make it as snappy as Origin. Steam isn't -bad- so to say, but compared to its competitors when thinking of client stability, Origin just feels snappier and more responsive. using Origin's in game overlay is 10x times better than using Steam's overlay in my opinion. everything is faster and more responsive, and I've yet to have it crash on me. the Steam client just isn't very good when compared to other clients. Steam has to be the least responsive program on my computer that I frequently use among everything else. don't get me started on their support and uptime either, because that isn't much to brag about.

i'm okay with this because i haven't used itunes in maybe ~2 years because it kept fucking bloating up every few days and took up a huge chunk of space.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;45705951]Why do people care how much RAM the program is taking up now? Most of you will probably have more than enough RAM to not have to give a crap about what programs are open.[/QUOTE] RAM usage shouldn't even be a real concern unless you have a computer with only like a gig of RAM. More important is how the program performs which can't be explicitly measured through CPU or memory usage. Steam uses only a little less memory than Origin and they both use little to no cpu (except in Origin's case when installing a game, same with Desura actually) but Steam tends to be really laggy for me despite it using very little memory or processor time in comparison to Origin and Desura.

Right now Steam opens multiple instances of "steam client webhelper" and sometimes one of "steam errorreporter". Some webhelpers are related to chat windows, and some to the UI browser. I had three webhelpers open, three chat tabs and my Steam window in my taskbar. I close one chat tab, one webhelper closes. I close one more tab, still two webhelpers. I forcefully close one webhelper through the task manager, both close, a new webhelper starts up, along with a errorreporter. I go into my Steam window and I notice that the browser is black. I click "Activity", it goes to a black window, then to the login page, and then to Activity. To me it seems they fucked up with their webkit or something. Sometimes it switches to white scroll bars on a black interface for me, they need better coders or something.

I usually never have a problem with steam, but once a year or so steam gets very slow and unresponsive. Re-installing fixed it. After almost 6 years on steam I had to reinstall it about 10 times. So if your steam is doing some stupid stuff, re-install it. Oh and move your steamapps to another safe place before deleting steam or you'll regret it.

[QUOTE=Mkt778;45712054]Sorry. Going to have to disagree. Origin has been the biggest bloat of software since I've installed it. Switching tabs to the library of games in the client alone took 6 seconds to actually load the content on them, compared to steam which was instant, no matter which view you were in. I've got over 114 games on Steam, and they all appear [I]instantly[/I]. Rapidly clicking between each causes a slight delay, but you can't really blame it for that because you just told it to download new screenshots and information for each game you click. Where as in Origin, I own only 3 games and it took a fuck ton of loading before any of my actions did anything. Compared to their overlay, The origin one has crashed simply from opening a youtube page or anything script heavy in the browser. The Steam one [I]has[/I] crashed on me, but it simply just has a higher tolerance before crashing. I'd actually have to have a shit ton of tabs open in their browser to make it crash. That's purposefully doing it, and to be fair, it only crashed because you just [I]told[/I] steam to open a fuck load of pages. We've all got varying experiences. But for me, Steam has been the single greatest program in all my 7 years of usage and continues to get better, and better. I forgot to mention, that I actually run Beta updates. Supposedly they're meant to be much more unstable, yes? Not in my experience. Now if we can actually get on topic and discuss the amount of possibilities addons to steam will create, instead of circle jerking about a games client that you seemingly [I]despise[/I], yet can't stop using for whatever reason, that'd be nice.[/QUOTE] And I can say the same thing about Steam. Literally every single point you made about Origin happens on Steam as well. Especially overlay crashes for opening a video page. Also, it's either piracy or Steam when it comes to PC gaming really. I wish it Steam better than it is now and I wish Valve was more open to criticism and spending money on their product in order to make more money with their product but apparently if I don't boycott the entire thing, that makes me a massive hypocrite.

[QUOTE=Mkt778;45712054]Now if we can actually get on topic and discuss the amount of possibilities addons to steam will create, instead of circle jerking about a games client that you seemingly [I]despise[/I], yet can't stop using for whatever reason, that'd be nice.[/QUOTE] You do realize that at this point it's near impossible to actually avoid using Steam right? Like 90% of new pc games are released on Steam and a very significant portion of those are Steam exclusive. Then you have games such as Tabletop Simulator which started out available both on and off Steam but are now Steam exclusive. (To the detriment of anyone who bought it intending to use the non-Steam version because they refuse to update that version now.)

[QUOTE=Alice3173;45712782]You do realize that at this point it's near impossible to actually avoid using Steam right? Like 90% of new pc games are released on Steam and a very significant portion of those are Steam exclusive. Then you have games such as Tabletop Simulator which started out available both on and off Steam but are now Steam exclusive. (To the detriment of anyone who bought it intending to use the non-Steam version because they refuse to update that version now.)[/QUOTE] It's also a matter of the alternatives not providing an equivalent to the Steamworks development suite. That stuff is [b]REALLY NICE[/b] to have.

[QUOTE=Mkt778;45713355]It's possible to avoid using it if you don't want to play those particular games. I mean, you could always use Origi- oh right.[/QUOTE] Yes, I too try to avoid playing a very significant chunk of new games. Seriously that's a stupid thing to say. I avoid Steam whenever I physically can and pass on a shit load of new games just because they're Steam exclusive. (I pass over at least ten Steam exclusive games I want for every one I get personally.) You can't avoid it though, eventually you're going to either have to pass on a game you really want to play or you will have to buy a game through Steam.

[QUOTE=Mkt778;45712054]I've got over 114 games on Steam[/QUOTE] Steam says you own 78...

[QUOTE=PredGD;45706425]while true, I'd wish Steam used more if that'd make it as snappy as Origin. Steam isn't -bad- so to say, but compared to its competitors when thinking of client stability, Origin just feels snappier and more responsive. using Origin's in game overlay is 10x times better than using Steam's overlay in my opinion. everything is faster and more responsive, and I've yet to have it crash on me. the Steam client just isn't very good when compared to other clients. Steam has to be the least responsive program on my computer that I frequently use among everything else. don't get me started on their support and uptime either, because that isn't much to brag about.[/QUOTE] This is because Steam uses VGUI: [URL]https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/VGUI_Editing[/URL] [URL]https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/VGUI_Documentation[/URL] Unless they move away from this horribly outdated beast, the client's performance won't change. And you can't do much with it. That's why they embed browsers and shit.

[QUOTE=Luafox;45717026]Often when I doubleclick something in my library, steam starts a completely different game. It's really weird and annoying.[/QUOTE] I've notice this too. It seems to be an issue when either double clicking and scrolling or trying to launch a game while your library is being populated but I haven't really looked into it.