Israeli navy 'intercepts' Rachel Corrie Gaza aid ship - Polidicks

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22386899]BTW Latest Israeli media says: "IDF demanded the boat to stop, activists ignored." [url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-gaza-bound-ship-rachel-corrie-ignores-order-to-stop-1.294265[/url][/QUOTE] Uh, yeah, no shit sherlock.

It makes just as much sense as me playing the race card, as in, anyone who criticizes Israel is an anti-semitic. I have several times criticized my government, especially the current one with sir power-hungry Netanyahu as the prime minister, and his trustee racist McFucktard our good old Lieberman, the foreign minister. [editline]10:09AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22386996]Uh, yeah, no shit sherlock.[/QUOTE] Just trying to keep everyone updated.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22386943]No, they will be used for building bunkers or tunnels from which the Hamas would smuggle weapons.[/QUOTE] don't give them wooden boards they'll use them as flippers to swim out of Gaza [editline]07:11AM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22386998]It makes just as much sense as me playing the race card, as in, anyone who criticizes Israel is an anti-semitic. I have several times criticized my government, especially the current one with sir power-hungry Netanyahu as the prime minister, and his trustee racist McFucktard our good old Lieberman, the foreign minister. [editline]10:09AM[/editline] Just trying to keep everyone updated.[/QUOTE] But you [I]are[/I] a nationalist. You've already stated that you don't care what happens to the Gazans as long as Israel isn't hurt.

Mr. Scorpio with the sarcasm as always.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22385626]Yes, for example fresh meat isn't allowed, since it would go bad on the way to Gaza. Frozen meat is allowed however.[/QUOTE] Maybe because the people transporting it there don't even put any effort into keeping it fresh? If there was no blockade I'm quite sure the Gazans could get fresh meat quite easily. [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22386943]No, they will be used for building bunkers or tunnels from which the Hamas would smuggle weapons.[/QUOTE] Yeah because it totally won't be used for repairing damaged buildings that were bombed without mercy by Israel.

It's impossible to transport it there without it being frozen. It's at least a one hour drive from Ashdod port, I don't see how would it stay fresh.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22386998]It makes just as much sense as me playing the race card, as in, anyone who criticizes Israel is an anti-semitic. I have several times criticized my government, especially the current one with sir power-hungry Netanyahu as the prime minister, and his trustee racist McFucktard our good old Lieberman, the foreign minister. [editline]10:09AM[/editline] Just trying to keep everyone updated.[/QUOTE] Look, I know this whole thing is playing out like Rashomon. I'm not saying the humanitarian "love boat" are blameless saints either. All I'm saying is that Israel handled the situation inappropriately and the outcome was despicable. Israel has overstepped their bounds in the past while the rest of the world turns a blind eye and it seems they are trying to hold that status judging by the outcome of these recent events. You are a nationalist by the definition.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22387054]It's impossible to transport it there without it being frozen. It's at least a one hour drive from Ashdod port, I don't see how would it stay fresh.[/QUOTE] So how does the same kind of meat get to my local supermarket when the nearest facility that provides that fresh meat is at least a few hours away? If you mean they have to import the meat from other countries I'd understand they would need to freeze it, but I'm positive that Israel has its own means of getting the fresh meat.

Well yes it's not only the one hour long drive, there's more than that. The fact is that it is much easier to transport frozen meat, and if the fact that Gazans can receive only frozen meat and not fresh meat bothers you enough that it would make the blockade illegal in your eyes, thus you would rather let the Hamas easily acquire weapons and rockets that they could use against the Israeli civilians, then I don't have much to say. In short, our security > their privilege to eat fresh meat while they have frozen meat available. Israel brings 15,000 tons weekly, out of the 171,000 tons that is currently being sent to Gaza. I could understand it if everything Israel has brought was fresh meat, but it's most probably not, so I think it would be best to just limit fresh meat and encourage humanitarian aid groups to just bring frozen meat that is much more easily transportable and accessible to the Gazan population that is in need.

fresh meat won't spoil in an hour.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22387132]Well yes it's not only the one hour long drive, there's more than that. The fact is that it is much easier to transport frozen meat, and if the fact that Gazans can receive only frozen meat and not fresh meat bothers you enough that it would make the blockade illegal in your eyes, thus you would rather let the Hamas easily acquire weapons and rockets that they could use against the Israeli civilians, then I don't have much to say. In short, our security > their privilege to eat fresh meat while they have frozen meat available. Israel brings 15,000 tons weekly, out of the 171,000 tons that is currently being sent to Gaza. I could understand it if everything Israel has brought was fresh meat, but it's most probably not, so I think it would be best to just limit fresh meat and encourage humanitarian aid groups to just bring frozen meat that is much more easily transportable and accessible to the Gazan population that is in need.[/QUOTE] yes, that's the only problem with the blockade that they can't eat meat that's the only thing anyone is complaining about or has brought up good god is your brain located in your fucking anus?

That's the specific problem he has brought up.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22387132]Well yes it's not only the one hour long drive, there's more than that. The fact is that it is much easier to transport frozen meat, and if the fact that Gazans can receive only frozen meat and not fresh meat bothers you enough that it would make the blockade illegal in your eyes, thus you would rather let the Hamas easily acquire weapons and rockets that they could use against the Israeli civilians, then I don't have much to say. In short, our security > their privilege to eat fresh meat while they have frozen meat available. Israel brings 15,000 tons weekly, out of the 171,000 tons that is currently being sent to Gaza. I could understand it if everything Israel has brought was fresh meat, but it's most probably not, so I think it would be best to just limit fresh meat and encourage humanitarian aid groups to just bring frozen meat that is much more easily transportable and accessible to the Gazan population that is in need.[/QUOTE] I was just making a point about it, not necessarily why they should lift the blockade. The blockade indeed is necessary for some reasons, but overall it's counterproductive to Gaza. [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22387165]yes, that's the only problem with the blockade that they can't eat meat that's the only thing anyone is complaining about or has brought up good god is your brain located in your fucking anus?[/QUOTE] I brought up the subject. Burn and I were just having a small debate on it, keep your cool it's not as if our arguments are going to make a difference or anything.

[QUOTE=Amez;22387039] Yeah because it totally won't be used for repairing damaged buildings that were bombed without mercy by Israel.[/QUOTE] Israel allows construction materials into Gaza if it is requested by human rights groups or humanitarian aid groups or anything that is not "private merchants".

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22387172]That's the specific problem he has brought up.[/QUOTE] but it's not the only thing anyone is fucking referring to, that is one of many fucking issues. You cant fucking divide the shit you do and say it's alright because each individual thing isn't enough to stir the black iron ball that is the empathic area of your brain. Except when it's brought to your attention that they don't get nearly enough supplies to live decently and are unable to leave, then you just ignore it.

[QUOTE=Amez;22387182]I was just making a point about it, not necessarily why they should lift the blockade. The blockade indeed is necessary for some reasons, but overall it's counterproductive to Gaza.[/QUOTE] I think it's counterproductive to Gaza as well. They could have just as easily allowed fresh meat in and recommend not to bring it because frozen meat is easier to transport and more accessible. I'm just saying that there's a point behind this. [editline]10:30AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22387199]Except when it's brought to your attention that they don't get nearly enough supplies to live decently and are unable to leave, then you just ignore it.[/QUOTE] According to who?

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22387132] [B]In short, our security > their privilege to eat fresh meat while they have frozen meat available.[/B] [/QUOTE] Sounds like you also have an entitlement complex? Giving up civil liberties in the name of government security is what has been happening in America for quite some time now. (except in your case it is human rights)

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22387199]but it's not the only thing anyone is fucking referring to, that is one of many fucking issues. You cant fucking divide the shit you do and say it's alright because each individual thing isn't enough to stir the black iron ball that is the empathic area of your brain. Except when it's brought to your attention that they don't get nearly enough supplies to live decently and are unable to leave, then you just ignore it.[/QUOTE] Like I said don't get angry over a pointless debate, none of us are going to make a difference. We're just debating that is all.

I know that it is a serious issue and can't be taken so easily, depriving citizens or people in general of their basic human rights isn't something that is easily justified. But if it comes to the security of your people or the option for the people of another nation to choose between frozen food or fresh food, most people would choose security.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;22386196]Don't call them terrorist supporters. Really, don't.[/QUOTE] They are terrorist supporters.

[QUOTE=Amez;22387230]Like I said don't get angry over a pointless debate, none of us are going to make a difference. We're just debating that is all.[/QUOTE] Just leave it, Mr. Scorpio is what a lot of people on FP might call "butthurt".

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22387203]According to who?[/QUOTE] You know, it gets kind of tedious having to tell you things multiple times. How about you try to remember what the last four people who answered this question said. [editline]07:35AM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22387242]Just leave it, Mr. Scorpio is what a lot of people on FP might call "butthurt".[/QUOTE] And you're what I might call a soulless jackal with no regard or feeling for the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. [editline]07:36AM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22387233]I know that it is a serious issue and can't be taken so easily, depriving citizens or people in general of their basic human rights isn't something that is easily justified. But if it comes to the security of your people or the option for the people of another nation to choose between frozen food or fresh food, most people would choose security.[/QUOTE] No, you would. Because you're a leech who cares more about his own happiness than that of thousands of others.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22387233]I know that it is a serious issue and can't be taken so easily, depriving citizens or people in general of their basic human rights isn't something that is easily justified. [B]But if it comes to the security of your people or the option for the people of another nation to choose between frozen food or fresh food, most people would choose security.[/B][/QUOTE] Nationalists like you would choose security. I'm a citizen of the world. Basic human rights for thousands of innocent people no matter what nationality, is far more important.

Fresh meat can be used as weapons.

Honestly, how can you keep this up? You forget [I]everything[/I] we tell you, you [I]admit[/I] to not caring about the lives of innocent people, you pick up and discard arguments like the summer fucking breeze, and yet you [I]still[/I] think that you're in the right? [editline]07:39AM[/editline] "Oh, an aid worker was shot four times in the head? Well I totally think that an Israeli commando was just attacked by him and so he was forced to shoot him four times in half a second in the same place during free fall."

[QUOTE=Relys;22387284]Nationalists like you would choose security.[/QUOTE] "Article 51 Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security."

[QUOTE=Relys;22387284]Nationalists like you would choose security.[/QUOTE] I'm not a nationalist, I care neither for my own country nor Israel, yet I would gladly stop eating fresh meat to prevent someone from being fired at with rockets I expect no less from others

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22387309]"Article 51 Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security."[/QUOTE] A bullet fired by a seizure induced spasm from a an angry young child during the middle of a hurricane into a tornado would not be one one billionth as close as you are to missing the point.

[QUOTE=ThePuska;22387314]I'm not a nationalist, I care neither for my own country nor Israel, yet I would gladly stop eating fresh meat to prevent someone from being fired at with rockets I expect no less from others[/QUOTE] Way to speak for thousands of impoverished starving people on an issue which was way oversimplified. Expecting no less from others? Way to be naive when it comes to basic traits of human nature. You'd make a great communist.

What is your nationality Mr. Scorpio?