[QUOTE=Rubs10;34426068]Do you have proof for that?[/QUOTE]
the gross national product of america is far greater than most nations, as seen here
[quote][url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/GDP_PPP_Per_Capita_IMF_2008.svg[/url][/quote]
now imagine if all those countries produced that much
what would happen to all of the world's resources?
YOU GUESSED IT
they would all fucking disappear
[QUOTE=SystemGS;34426145]the gross national product of america is far greater than most nations, as seen here
now imagine if all those countries produced that much
what would happen to all of the world's resources?
YOU GUESSED IT
they would all fucking disappear[/QUOTE]
You are fantastic at making logical leaps.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;34426120]Earth has grass, Earth is a planet, Mars is a planet, therefore Mars has grass.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_N_IYi2c0E[/media]
Carl Sagan sarcastically mocks people like you.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_reasoning[/url]
Forget the grand canyon man, your logical leap has taken you to space.[/QUOTE]
there's a significant difference between making a logical jump through assumption and making a logical jump between things that are clearly observable and proven
you know
like electrons maybe
[QUOTE=SystemGS;34426177]there's a significant difference between making a logical jump through assumption and making a logical jump between things that are clearly observable and proven
you know
like electrons maybe[/QUOTE]
Well of course your electrons are random, but somehow you think that means there's free will.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;34426120]Earth has grass, Earth is a planet, Mars is a planet, therefore Mars has grass.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_N_IYi2c0E[/media]
Carl Sagan sarcastically mocks people like you.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_reasoning[/url]
Forget the grand canyon man, your logical leap has taken you to space.[/QUOTE]
Nice straw analogy
A better analogy would be "matter is made of molecules, iron is made of matter, Earth is partially made of iron, therefore Earth is partially made of molecules"
oh hey guess what that still works
"These examples of a group are x, so all examples of a group are x" =/= "x is adjective a, y is made of x, z is made of y, so z is partially a"
Humans are partially random, due to the nature of quantum mechanics and how the brain makes decisions.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;34426207]Well of course your electrons are random, but somehow you think that means there's free will.[/QUOTE]
when you're disproven, you immediately jump back onto your ignorance bandwagon and bang all of your pots as loudly as possible so as to not hear anyone else's views
also if you actually think about it, if we're made of random particles, wouldn't that make us random? and if the universe contains random particles, doesn't that mean that there are no fixed events?
and to further this, if we have cognitive abilities and the perceived ability to choose where there are no fixed events in space or time due to the incalculable nature of electrons, isn't it true that we do, in fact, have free will?
you've admitted thus far that we have an ability to choose and you've conceded to the fact that electrons are random. now that i've coupled the two ideas together for you, it's clear that yes, we do in fact have free will
and i proved it
[QUOTE=Rubs10;34425752]We have plenty of resources. The economic depression isn't the result of human population.
If everyone was allowed to do anything I would most certainly get hurt. I support laws because it prevents me from getting hurt and it promotes my gain. The death penalty doesn't in any way and in fact detracts from it. It also puts me at risk of getting killed by the system if I did something under some absurd law.
Whether or not it's fatalism still doesn't matter because his argument only means that electrons control our lives, not us. That's still not free will. Keep trying though.[/QUOTE]
This entire post makes me want to commit botched seppuku because of its rampant stupidity.
actually no you proved it for me
[editline]28th January 2012[/editline]
i think he left
I like skipping from the first, to last page in a thread like this. The concept of "staying on topic" has gone out the window and now we're arguing about fucking particles in a thread about some guy getting the death sentence.
Oh, Facepunch.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;34426858]I like skipping from the first, to last page in a thread like this. The concept of "staying on topic" has gone out the window and now we're arguing about fucking particles in a thread about some guy getting the death sentence.
Oh, Facepunch.[/QUOTE]
And I wouldn't have it any other way.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;34426858]I like skipping from the first, to last page in a thread like this. The concept of "staying on topic" has gone out the window and now we're arguing about fucking particles in a thread about some guy getting the death sentence.
Oh, Facepunch.[/QUOTE]
I was just thinking the same thing. When I rated you agree, facepunch called me a dickhead. What did I do facepunch? :/
[url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Death_Penalty_World_Map.svg[/url]
The red areas have an active death penalty.
I think it's interesting who America shares it's ideals with.
Also rehab works look at Scandinavia.
[editline]28th January 2012[/editline]
Then again america isn't exactly a first-world country (inb4 America defines that: I know)
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;34425881]Where the hell did you get your source on that?
Every source I've seen for prison costs it lists rehabilitation programs as $1,612 per prisoner each year, and the the rest of the cost to keep them in prison is $45,490 per year.
Death row imprisonment costs $137,000 per prisoner each year.[/QUOTE]
because 46,000 for 50 years is the same as 137,000 for a few?
[QUOTE=SystemGS;34424262]
killing him would be an easy release for him but it also brings us down to the same level[/QUOTE]
no, raping him twice and setting his own house on fire while he's tied up inside it would bring us down to the same level
[QUOTE=stupid10er;34430410]because 46,000 for 50 years is the same as 137,000 for a few?[/QUOTE]
People don't end up in death row for just a few years.
They end up in death row for decades.
particles and quantum physics are essential to the death penalty
duh
[QUOTE=Bassplaya7;34418457]One of those cases where I genuinely don't know how I feel about the death penalty, though I'm usually against it. What they did was monstrous and terrified the community.
Why you rating me dumb? I'm from CT, 15 min from where this happened, and it genuinely made people terrified to just be in their homes. The men responsible were monsters, and deserve their sentencing.[/QUOTE]i understand how that can cause terror in any community and i wish these people would have had a gun some maybe agianst guns but a simular case to this one occured in PA but without tragedy because the mother of two children shot and killed the home invader, id rather have the citizens own weapons instead of disgusting things like what happened to this family happen.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;34426120]Earth has grass, Earth is a planet, Mars is a planet, therefore Mars has grass.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_N_IYi2c0E[/media]
Carl Sagan sarcastically mocks people like you.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_reasoning[/url]
Forget the grand canyon man, your logical leap has taken you to space.[/QUOTE]
Induction is only faulty when you use it wrong.
Believe it or not, you're meant to use math.
So basically. You all support keeping a human being who is in no possible way useful to the rest of the human race at the expense of others after he willfully took the life of another human being. When instead we can just remove the cancer and kill him saving money and time?
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34433531]So basically. You all support keeping a human being who is in no possible way useful to the rest of the human race at the expense of others after he willfully took the life of another human being. When instead we can just remove the cancer and kill him saving money and time?[/QUOTE]
It WON'T save money and time. It costs much more to put people on death row. Stop using this argument.
It costs $46k per prisoner each year to keep them in prison.
It costs $137k per prisoner each year to keep them in death row, and death row lasts for decades because of due process, which we can't remove.
Homicide is okay when you do it to bad people, kiddies!
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34433531]So basically. You all support keeping a human being who is in no possible way useful to the rest of the human race at the expense of others after he willfully took the life of another human being. When instead we can just remove the cancer and kill him saving money and time?[/QUOTE]
Uh yes, killing someone is killing someone no matter what labels you slap upon them. A civilised society that kills people who don't follow its rules isn't a civilised society at all.
Willfully and knowingly killing a human being at your mercy is wrong. Full stop.
[QUOTE=Hidole555;34419276]An eye for an eye makes the whole world without depth perception.
Killing people to show that killing people is wrong is a hypocritical argument.[/QUOTE]
[editline]28th January 2012[/editline]
ftfy
[QUOTE=xxncxx;34433760][editline]28th January 2012[/editline]
ftfy[/QUOTE]
I hate this shitty joke people try to use in response to eye for an eye. For one, it's not funny. For two, it still doesn't even make sense because the point of eye for an eye is that it's a vicious cycle that continues infinitely which is why people end up losing both eyes.
Lawful murder, so silly.
[editline]28th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;34433645]Willfully and knowingly killing a human being at your mercy is wrong. Full stop.[/QUOTE]
Someone on Facepunch posting from America with a similar opinion to me? Holy shit I am impressed. Can we cyber or something to celebrate?
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34433531]So basically. You all support keeping a human being who is in no possible way useful to the rest of the human race at the expense of others after he willfully took the life of another human being. When instead we can just remove the cancer and kill him saving money and time?[/QUOTE]
If you live in some sort of hellhole country with no national healthcare system then yes.
Otherwise rehabilitating them is entirely possible.
So I see SpaceGhost is only capable of rating my posts about due process dumb.
Ok then SpaceGhost. Tell me what should have happened to these people.
[url]http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row[/url]
If you had your way and due process was removed from death row then every single one of these people would have been killed by the system.
In fact even with due process there are innocent people who are executed.
[url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0412090169dec09,0,1173806.story[/url]
Please don't bother posting until you grow a brain cell.
[editline]29th January 2012[/editline]
Seriously all this talk from you about streamlining death row and just shooting them all makes me absolutely sick.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;34437788]So I see SpaceGhost is only capable of rating my posts about due process dumb.
Ok then SpaceGhost. Tell me what should have happened to these people.
[url]http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row[/url]
If you had your way and due process was removed from death row then every single one of these people would have been killed by the system.
In fact even with due process there are innocent people who are executed.
[url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0412090169dec09,0,1173806.story[/url]
Please don't bother posting until you grow a brain cell.
[editline]29th January 2012[/editline]
Seriously all this talk from you about streamlining death row and just shooting them all makes me absolutely sick.[/QUOTE]
Then do DNA tests on all life sentence prisoners, find out which ones are innocent, and get rid of the rest instead of pussyfooting around trying to be humane for degenerate wastes. No one wants people like these loose except you, and I honestly don't know why.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;34438241]Then do DNA tests on all life sentence prisoners, find out which ones are innocent, and get rid of the rest.[/QUOTE]
How is that much different from death row? It would still be as costly.
[editline]29th January 2012[/editline]
In the end this kind of red tape is in place to protect the potentially innocent due to how often innocent people were executed when your ideal system of just killing them when convicted was in place.
No amount of vengeance is worth the lives of the innocent that HAVE been lost forever because of wrongful executions.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34433531]So basically. You all support keeping a human being who is in no possible way useful to the rest of the human race at the expense of others after he willfully took the life of another human being. When instead we can just remove the cancer and kill him saving money and time?[/QUOTE]
I would probably agree with you if I've read the evidence I've tried to find in his court case.
I'm hypocritical for saying this, but it's generally a good idea to base your judgement of him on what you've seen yourself instead of what you've heard from others.
[editline]28th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;34438241]Then do DNA tests on all life sentence prisoners, find out which ones are innocent, and get rid of the rest instead of pussyfooting around trying to be humane for degenerate wastes. No one wants people like these loose except you, and I honestly don't know why.[/QUOTE]
I'll admit, DNA tests can easily point out the people who previously were with the victim. It doesn't mean that they're automatically killers though. I remember watching a murder case documentary. A guy was temporarily listed as a suspect since his DNA showed up on the victim that was killed, despite him having sex with her a week ago. The killer was actually her ex-boyfriend since the brother confessed to burying her. It could be simply being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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