Law could force Mississippi's only abortion clinic to close - Polidicks

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;36571825]Am I the only one that doesn't actually hate Republicans for being pro-Life? I'm pro-Choice myself but I can at least see why they choose to be pro-life, protecting human life is something that is pretty important to me and there isn't a definite point where a fertilized egg becomes a human being. It's just a shame that so many of them are complete hypocrites when it comes to supporting the death penalty. But the ones that legitimately want to protect human life, I can have some respect for.[/QUOTE] they dont want to protect human life they just want to control others. how many of these pro-lifers would be willing to raise the unwanted child they're forcing women to have?

There will be a crime spike in this area in 20 years, big time. [editline]1st July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=DamagePoint;36571825]Am I the only one that doesn't actually hate Republicans for being pro-Life? I'm pro-Choice myself but I can at least see why they choose to be pro-life, protecting human life is something that is pretty important to me and there isn't a definite point where a fertilized egg becomes a human being. It's just a shame that so many of them are complete hypocrites when it comes to supporting the death penalty. But the ones that legitimately want to protect human life, I can have some respect for.[/QUOTE] The problem with "pro lifers" is that it's controlling the system for everyone.

[QUOTE=bohb;36571744]Pro-life people are vile and disgusting. They take away the last place to perform abortions in a safe and controlled fashion by people who are highly trained and know what they're doing. Good job, you'll totally have less abortions... Wrong! Now you're going to start having desperate and scared women doing crazy things like coat hanger abortions and fucking it up. The end result is they either end up dead or hospitalized from severe internal organ damage. So you replace a dead lump of cells with a human being, good job idiots.[/QUOTE] or they'll just go to one of the countless clinics in Louisiana or Alabama and for the record, there aren't any other clinincs because nobody has bothered opening another clinic. Just throwing that out there in case someone thinks the rest had heavy opposition or were shut down or were blown up or whatever people do to abortion clinics these days. [editline]1st July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Disotrtion;36571902]Yeah its a shitty overused "joke" that's not even correct. Take the issue illustrated in this article, to us (Americans from different parts of the country) we see an injustice. But in Mississippi, where there are a lot of pro-lifers, especially in the State gov. they do not see an injustice. Democracy is organized chaos. There is always a battle between State gov. v. Federal gov. or Democrat v. Republican. That's because the idea of freedom means different things to different people and different political parties disagree on ways to preserve and ensure freedom. Both parties agree that America is the land of the free, but compare their ideas of freedom and how it should be limited or not limited and there will be stark differences. Also you're using the national motto to mock the actions of one state. But whatever, totally ignore the 49 other states of the union.[/QUOTE] I live in Mississippi and don't know anyone outside of the government who is pro-life. Everybody I've ever discussed the issue with is pro choice.

But there's too much love in the Mississippi heart.

Government regulations are bad and kill jobs! Government regulations will help us put people we don't like out of business!

I heard poor women in states with no abortion; have no choice but to abort children them selves. It can be dangerous.

[QUOTE=bohb;36571744]Pro-life people are vile and disgusting. They take away the last place to perform abortions in a safe and controlled fashion by people who are highly trained and know what they're doing. Good job, you'll totally have less abortions... Wrong! Now you're going to start having desperate and scared women doing crazy things like coat hanger abortions and fucking it up. The end result is they either end up dead or hospitalized from severe internal organ damage. So you replace a dead lump of cells with a human being, good job idiots.[/QUOTE] You reminded me of an excerpt from a book that I still want to get. In it, an abortion doctor describes telling her grandmother that she is, in fact, an abortion doctor. Her grandma then tells her the story of the time her best friend died from the mentioned coat hanger abortion. [url]http://www.amazon.com/This-Common-Secret-Journey-Abortion/dp/1586486470[/url] Anyone that's on the fence, read that.

[QUOTE=Clementine;36571678]Freedom works both ways, anti-abortion protesters have the freedom to protest, and in this case, they won. Don't be idiotic and assume that because someone you don't like wins means that there is no freedom, appreciate that any side is able to win.[/QUOTE] So the anti-freedom people winning and ending freedom is still freedom? Get a dictionary.

[QUOTE=Penultimate;36578175]You reminded me of an excerpt from a book that I still want to get. In it, an abortion doctor describes telling her grandmother that she is, in fact, an abortion doctor. Her grandma then tells her the story of the time her best friend died from the mentioned coat hanger abortion. [url]http://www.amazon.com/This-Common-Secret-Journey-Abortion/dp/1586486470[/url] Anyone that's on the fence, read that.[/QUOTE] Oh wow. My own grandmother told me a similar story about a nurse she used to work with who was raped. Except instead of a coat hanger abortion, the nurse's family spent all their life savings to send her to Switzerland so it could be performed professionally.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;36573334]Don't tell that to any foreigners, they are too thick to tell the difference.[/QUOTE] And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why every single european and eastern person I know hates America. Good job, mate.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;36573334]Don't tell that to any foreigners, they are too thick to tell the difference.[/QUOTE] Yeah I heard there are countries overseas that think gays are people and keep church and state seperated what thickos.

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;36573868] I live in Mississippi and don't know anyone outside of the government who is pro-life. Everybody I've ever discussed the issue with is pro choice.[/QUOTE] Sorry, but that's an anecdote, and your personal experience is not necessarily representative of all of Mississippi. There has to be a large amount of pro-lifers because your state keeps electing pro-life legislators, right? I must admit I don't actually know for certain that there's a lot of Mississippians who are pro-life (as in I have no statistics), but I made a logical assumption because Mississippi is in the bible belt.

[QUOTE=An Armed Bear;36573245]Well I personally think the potential father should get to have [I]a little[/I] say in it. At least in some cases. But ultimately the mother's choice of course.[/QUOTE] The potential father should only get a choice in the matter if the mother gives him that choice.

[QUOTE=Clementine;36571678]Freedom works both ways, anti-abortion protesters have the freedom to protest, and in this case, they won. Don't be idiotic and assume that because someone you don't like wins means that there is no freedom, appreciate that any side is able to win.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;36571796]I've actually got to agree. Freedom includes freedom of expression. The Occupy guys protesting the government are, in the eyes of legality, are no different than anti-abortion guys protesting the government. America was MADE so that if the people protest, then the government should listen. You can't pick and choose which protests to listen to. By the way, I'm in favor of abortion before you call me a crazy conservative.[/QUOTE] As others have said, you don't have the freedom to take away others' freedoms. This isn't related to the freedom of protest. Just because some people are protesting, doesn't mean you have to listen. "Well, these Westboro guys are outside, I guess it's time to introduce legislation to kill the gays." Especially since, if you [I]do[/I] follow through with a crappy protest's demands, the people affected may turn around and protest back once their freedoms are gone. I'm talking about protests to take away people's rights, if you couldn't tell. Also, I thought the right to protest was, well, the right to protest, not the right for your protests to be listened to. Same with the freedom of expression: it's about [I]letting[/I] you express yourself and not being silenced, not about people being forced to [I]listen[/I] to you. [QUOTE=DamagePoint;36571825]Am I the only one that doesn't actually hate Republicans for being pro-Life? I'm pro-Choice myself but I can at least see why they choose to be pro-life, protecting human life is something that is pretty important to me and there isn't a definite point where a fertilized egg becomes a human being. It's just a shame that so many of them are complete hypocrites when it comes to supporting the death penalty. But the ones that legitimately want to protect human life, I can have some respect for.[/QUOTE] I understand [I]why[/I] they're pro-life, it's a tricky issue. However, they need to understand that outlawing abortion doesn't stop completely stop abortions, it just makes them more dangerous. They're ignoring the people who already exist and are already suffering in favor of people who have yet to exist. The part I don't understand about the "the soul is made at conception!" argument is this: if god is all-powerful, couldn't he just shift the soul of an aborted baby to another baby? He [I]is[/I] god, after all. Hell, even if god doesn't do anything, wouldn't the souls just automatically go to heaven? But that's getting into arguments about religion. [QUOTE=An Armed Bear;36573245]Well I personally think the potential father should get to have [I]a little[/I] say in it. At least in some cases. But ultimately the mother's choice of course.[/QUOTE] I never understand what people are saying when they say this. You're saying that you want the father to have some say in it, but for the decision to ultimately be the mother's. So... exactly what happens already? The mother can listen to the father's ideas, but she doesn't have to follow up on them. That's what happens already. Do you want a law that says "When a woman gets an abortion, the father should be able to tell her how he feels about it, but she doesn't have to listen to him"? It would be a useless law. Now, if you want the father to be able to cut off financial support to a child he didn't want, then just say that. [quote]The state already has laws requiring a 24-hour waiting period, [B]as well as parental consent if the patient seeking an abortion is a minor.[/B][/quote] Oh yeah, there's [I]no way[/I] that this could end up hurting minors. Nope. Forcing them to give birth against their will because of their parents, surely the minor won't be hurt by this. Especially not in cases of incest. Nor in cases where the parents would punish their child for getting raped.

[QUOTE=Disotrtion;36580112]Sorry, but that's an anecdote, and your personal experience is not necessarily representative of all of Mississippi. There has to be a large amount of pro-lifers because your state keeps electing pro-life legislators, right? I must admit I don't actually know for certain that there's a lot of Mississippians who are pro-life (as in I have no statistics), but I made a logical assumption because Mississippi is in the bible belt.[/QUOTE] I know that it's anecdotal but I've lived in Mississippi for 20 years and that's about 20 years longer than the average facepunch kiddie. I at least have some sort of personal experience, everyone else is just making wild guesses.

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[QUOTE=Last or First;36580353]Oh yeah, there's [I]no way[/I] that this could end up hurting minors. Nope. Forcing them to give birth against their will because of their parents, surely the minor won't be hurt by this. Especially not in cases of incest. Nor in cases where the parents would punish their child for getting raped.[/QUOTE] the law isn't specifically about abortion, all medical procedures on a minor have to be approved by a parent or guardian. It's about liability.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;36580712]oh no i had a heart attack mom and dad are out of town i am ded i earned 2298 points i earned another life[/QUOTE] they'll do emergency operations without any consent. abortion, cosmetic surgery, etc. all require consent. [editline]1st July 2012[/editline] I could have worded it better. it should be "all non-emergency medical procedures" rather than just "all medical procedures".

[QUOTE=RichyZ;36582175]i need an abortion because i know i will die on childbirth because my frail teenage body cant handle it ho ho ho i am parents we read the bible and disagree, you're having that baby! oh no i had the baby and i am dead[/QUOTE] Ynno, a variation of that almost happened to someone I used to know. 9 year old girl is raped by stepdad. She's going to have triplets and she's going to die giving birth. Mom takes girl to get abortion. The church excommunicates the mother, daughter, and abortion doctor and condemns them to hell; they do NOTHING about the stepfather.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;36582175]i need an abortion because i know i will die on childbirth because my frail teenage body cant handle it ho ho ho i am parents we read the bible and disagree, you're having that baby! oh no i had the baby and i am dead[/QUOTE] Oh well its all part of gods plan guess you were just unlucky.

Just how strongly do you believe a fetus is not a person? If a women aborts a fetus- its an abortion... If a women gets punched and loses her fetus- its murder? Under your own thinking how is this case murder instead of assault? Not even going to get into partial birth abortions, and the ability to abort a fetus as your giving birth to it . Seriously though, qualified medical personal AND parental consent? sounds horrible! Those barbarians- we should have no rules whatsoever on abortion providers, cause thats sane, logical, and completely safe.

I honestly don't have anything against any religion. You should be able to worship whatever you like. But you should not force your views on others. Therefore gay marriage, abortions, etc. should be all allowed. If YOU personally don't believe in something, than YOU don't have to do it. Don't make others.

[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;36583859]Just how strongly do you believe a fetus is not a person? If a women aborts a fetus- its an abortion... If a women gets punched and loses her fetus- its murder? Under your own thinking how is this case murder instead of assault? Not even going to get into partial birth abortions, and the ability to abort a fetus as your giving birth to it . Seriously though, qualified medical personal AND parental consent? sounds horrible! Those barbarians- we should have no rules whatsoever on abortion providers, cause thats sane, logical, and completely safe.[/QUOTE] Uh, I'm pretty sure aborting a baby as it's getting born is murder. Unless you're not really sure what a fetus is. And personally, if you deliberately prevent a foetus from being carried out full term against the mother's wishes before a decent period through the mother's pregnancy (i.e when abortion is still an option), it should be considered GBH. Beyond that, murder.

[QUOTE=Last or First;36580353] I understand [I]why[/I] they're pro-life, it's a tricky issue. However, they need to understand that outlawing abortion doesn't stop completely stop abortions, it just makes them more dangerous. They're ignoring the people who already exist and are already suffering in favor of people who have yet to exist. The part I don't understand about the "the soul is made at conception!" argument is this: if god is all-powerful, couldn't he just shift the soul of an aborted baby to another baby? He [I]is[/I] god, after all. Hell, even if god doesn't do anything, wouldn't the souls just automatically go to heaven? But that's getting into arguments about religion.[/QUOTE] Indeed, it is a thorny issue. I guess why I'm trying to say is a lot of people see it as a black and white issue, while in reality there is a lot of grey in between and just because a person is pro-Life it doesn't necessarily make them evil.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;36583947]Uh, I'm pretty sure aborting a baby as it's getting born is murder. Unless you're not really sure what a fetus is. And personally, if you deliberately prevent a foetus from being carried out full term against the mother's wishes before a decent period through the mother's pregnancy (i.e when abortion is still an option), it should be considered GBH. Beyond that, murder.[/QUOTE] origianal source...[url]http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/18/video-mother-kills-newborn-cant-be-charged-with-crime/[/url] nvestigators tell WSLS the baby’s airway was still blocked. They say the baby was under bedding and had been suffocated by her mother. Investigators say because the mother and baby were still connected by the umbilical cord and placenta, state law does not consider the baby to be a separate life. Therefore, the mother cannot be charged. “In the state of Virginia as long as the umbilical cord is attached and the placenta is still in the mother, if the baby comes out alive the mother can do whatever she wants to with that baby to kill it.“, says Investigator Tracy Emerson. “She could shoot the baby, stab the baby. As long as it’s still attached to her in some form by umbilical cord or something it’s no crime in the state of Virginia.“ Yes this portrays one state, but a bit of googling will show you many other similar cases. I have no idea what GBH is, but in other articles i have read its always been prosecuted as murder. One case comes to mind where the boyfriend punched his girlfriend (with her permission/ and with the intent to abort/miscarry) She could not be charged due to her right to an abortion- he was convicted of murder.

Mississippi - Home of the future gay hitler. I can understand people not liking abortions and not wanting to get one. That's fine and all, but don't tell others they can't do it because you don't want to.

Oh a judge blocked the law for a few days