"Companies must put British workers first and stop employing immigrants en masse" - Labour - Polidicks

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;41814782]I'm sorry if i come across rudely here, but that is BULLSHIT. how is it my fault if they are willing to work for less? For pete sakes, i spent 4 years at college getting diplomas and have fine grades from school. i'm a hard working guy and i need the money. but because they are willing to work for less, this is my fault? Please explain, because i simply don't see your point of veiw.[/QUOTE] If you think having a college diploma entitles you to work at Tesco, you are a moron; as lolwutdude said, it's a simple job a robot could perform, so of course it comes down to who wants to work for less. [QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;41814784]In rebuttal: Young workers suffer from a lack of skills due to employers not employing young people for said reason (as pointed out several times in the posted article), when competing with a foreign worker who is willing to work for less money than your average Brit who do you think gets the job? The older, slightly more experienced foreign worker who is willing to take a pay cut for the job or the young, inexperienced Brit who wants to work for the minimum wage?[/QUOTE] Either prove you're better than a foreign worker or be willing to work for less. Companies don't owe you shit.

[QUOTE=Patriarch;41814849] Either prove you're better than a foreign worker or be willing to work for less. Companies don't owe you shit.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying they do, I'm just pointing out that the system is flawed.

Sorry Labour, but if you want this, why do you still insist on there being an open door policy on immigration? They just don't go hand in hand. Why are so many people in here such arseholes? For starters, businesses such as supermarkets do not care about pay: that is the same for everyone. Time and availability of the person they are interviewing is what they're after. Look at the recent zero-hour contract controversy. That's what it's basically about. Maverick's problem is probably that as there are no jobs around 3000 people apply for each post and they select 1 or 2. If you've never had a steady job, you're even less likely to get one of those positions. I'm interested in where some people in this thread are from as I know every country has a different behaviour towards just about every aspect of recruitment and jobs, and where they're currently employed right now. IF you do have a job, then you're clearly very lucky, looking down and treating someone looking for a job with such disgust and abusing him. Be proud of yourselves.

Locally it's pretty hard to get a job straight out of school so most people either apply for an apprenticeship or go to college and it seems that the only way to end up in a stable career is through an apprenticeship trade be it IT or a building trade as you get a work placement. This is Walsall by the way.

[QUOTE=Memobot;41815074]Sorry Labour, but if you want this, why do you still insist on there being an open door policy on immigration? They just don't go hand in hand. Why are so many people in here such arseholes? For starters, businesses such as supermarkets do not care about pay: that is the same for everyone. Time and availability of the person they are interviewing is what they're after. Look at the recent zero-hour contract controversy. That's what it's basically about. Maverick's problem is probably that as there are no jobs around 3000 people apply for each post and they select 1 or 2. If you've never had a steady job, you're even less likely to get one of those positions. I'm interested in where some people in this thread are from as I know every country has a different behaviour towards just about every aspect of recruitment and jobs, and where they're currently employed right now. IF you do have a job, then you're clearly very lucky, looking down and treating someone looking for a job with such disgust and abusing him. Be proud of yourselves.[/QUOTE] We're being 'arsholes' because they're blaming immigrants as the sole reason why they can't get employed without realizing there's other factors locking in other than the fact business likes brown people better not to mention, pay is indeed a big factor along with time & availability what the other posters don't understand, there is plenty of desperate british as well, not just immigrants taking their jobs because they have time to spare, because they want lower wages, and they should stop blaming immigrants for it

Is employment any easier in Canada? Like, if I got a year or two of work experience here (UK) then went to Canada would I have much of a chance finding work. I've got a uni degree in networking tech.

[QUOTE=Memobot;41815074]I'm interested in where some people in this thread are from as I know every country has a different behaviour towards just about every aspect of recruitment and jobs, and where they're currently employed right now. IF you do have a job, then you're clearly very lucky, looking down and treating someone looking for a job with such disgust and abusing him. Be proud of yourselves.[/QUOTE] I really don't care who I work with. White, black, Asian, male, female, straight, gay etc as long as I can work alongside them with no problem, all that matters is receiving my pay check and enough work every week. Does that make me an asshole? Because I'd be just as happy to work alongside an immigrant as I would be with someone born in Australia? the people in this thread who complain about not having work are blaming it on immigrants who (apparently) accept lower pay, despite the fact such immigrants would be more productive and have better value to the firm that they work with. Employers are not going to hire people who want more pay but less to show for it.

As long as everyone's getting paid the same wage. We should target employers who are exploiting foreign workers because they'll work for less than a Brit, rather than some Polish dude just trying to make a living. Mind you, there's just not as many jobs going around now. A lot less apprenticeships too, so it's becoming more and more difficult to find a career rather than just a job.

Canada has exactly the opposite problem. Qualified, educated immigrants are encouraged to immigrate to Canada, and are not hired because they earned their degrees/diplomas in a country other than Canada - The process to upgrade their qualifications is unnecessarily time-consuming and expensive, and still it's almost impossible for them to get jobs. Young people coming out of colleges and universities snap up all the jobs, and those educated immigrants are forced to work for minimum wage at dead-end jobs that often leave them no time to pursue a Canadian diploma. Just to be clear, this is not because the country in which they earned their diploma had lower standards - Indeed the standards are usually much higher abroad - It's because they're not Canadian degrees, plain and simple.

[QUOTE=archangel125;41818222]Canada has exactly the opposite problem. Qualified, educated immigrants are encouraged to immigrate to Canada, and are not hired because they earned their degrees/diplomas in a country other than Canada - The process to upgrade their qualifications is unnecessarily time-consuming and expensive, and still it's almost impossible for them to get jobs. Young people coming out of colleges and universities snap up all the jobs, and those educated immigrants are forced to work for minimum wage at dead-end jobs that often leave them no time to pursue a Canadian diploma. Just to be clear, this is not because the country in which they earned their diploma had lower standards - Indeed the standards are usually much higher abroad - It's because they're not Canadian degrees, plain and simple.[/QUOTE] This is exactly what happened to my father. It didn't matter that he worked for years at some pretty well off positions in large multinational companies like Lucent and AT&T. It was brutal for him to be working on his canadian credentials while still working full time at the age of 45. He had to work his way back up the ladder for nearly 6 years despite being more educated and qualified than his bosses. Canada will only accept diplomas from a handful of western countries, its complete bullshit.

[QUOTE=Patriarch;41814849]If you think having a college diploma entitles you to work at Tesco, you are a moron; as lolwutdude said, it's a simple job a robot could perform, so of course it comes down to who wants to work for less. Either prove you're better than a foreign worker or be willing to work for less. Companies don't owe you shit.[/QUOTE] God you sound like a complete arse hole. Have you ever actually worked? You know why people have to work jobs like this? Because they need a middle ground from being flat out broke and unemployed, to a well off career. If you went from one to the other then good for you. But the other 1000s of students who were told if they don't get a degree are fucked, came out with one, and realised they're still fucked, have to find part time jobs or low paying ones until they can move on.

[QUOTE=Patriarch;41814698]You need to be qualified to stack shelves and clean?[/QUOTE] You you need 10 years experience and a masters to stack shelves here in the states. /s

Good lord, Labour have said something. Maybe they'll come up with some sort of policy next to actually accomplish these things. Probably not though.

[QUOTE=archangel125;41818222]Canada has exactly the opposite problem. Qualified, educated immigrants are encouraged to immigrate to Canada, and are not hired because they earned their degrees/diplomas in a country other than Canada - The process to upgrade their qualifications is unnecessarily time-consuming and expensive, and still it's almost impossible for them to get jobs. Young people coming out of colleges and universities snap up all the jobs, and those educated immigrants are forced to work for minimum wage at dead-end jobs that often leave them no time to pursue a Canadian diploma. Just to be clear, this is not because the country in which they earned their diploma had lower standards - Indeed the standards are usually much higher abroad - It's because they're not Canadian degrees, plain and simple.[/QUOTE] Actually, young people coming out of Canadian colleges don't end up getting good, high-paying jobs either, unless they go work in the oilsands. Overqualified middle-aged people are taking jobs young people used to get because they need to provide for their family, causing young people to work the same dead-end minimum wage jobs that immigrants end up working so they can start paying off their $30,000-$50,000 student debt.

All that should matter is how do you do the job. If you do it good enough, you get a promotion. No nationality or other minor details should matter.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;41822106]Actually, young people coming out of Canadian colleges don't end up getting good, high-paying jobs either, unless they go work in the oilsands. Overqualified middle-aged people are taking jobs young people used to get because they need to provide for their family, causing young people to work the same dead-end minimum wage jobs that immigrants end up working so they can start paying off their $30,000-$50,000 student debt.[/QUOTE] Well, it's true that young people don't have it easy, but they have it much easier than qualified immigrants.

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;41814484]The last three jobs i got an interveiw for where all low paying, hard working jobs like cleaning and shelf stacking. In all three jobs there where people who could barely speak a full sentence in English going for it too. I got turned down all three time in favor of those Non-English speaking people. It's really unfair, so I support this[/QUOTE] I know you're most likely Job hunting but would you really want to work for someone like that he most likely is going to try and screw his workers