[QUOTE=OvB;32299049]Read:
The thing is, this change would greatly effect human lives. Fishermen around the globe would loose their livelihoods, among the many others that depend on the reefs for survival. This isn't just some unnoticeable thing that's going to change and everyone's going to live life normally. This could potentially cause global economic pressures.
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I'm not quite sure I understand your question. We can't stop climate change, we can only slow down anthropogenic factors of climate change.[/QUOTE]
Corals: cockroaches of the sea?
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[QUOTE=The golden;32299284]If we (humanity) actually cared about the environment we would have taken action a long time ago. The fact it takes considerable effort to even do basic environmentally-friendly tasks is so pathetic.
It's pretty safe to say that the reefs are not the only ecosystem that will be destroyed. As a speices we simply don't give a shit. (which is retarded because we depend on ecosystems to survive. We seem to have this attitude that we can destroy shit and somehow remain totally unaffected)[/QUOTE]
Oh look it's this post again. If you really seriously think we will let this go as far as you seem to think, you're an idiot. These ecosystems affect people's livelihood. Once they realize that they're being destroyed, do you think the people who depend on these ecosystems to survive are gonna let that pass?
Welp, time to change my course of education and fix the sea.
~i will get all the bitches~
Well so will I probably
[QUOTE=Orckrast;32299103]More than 17,000 scientists have signed a petition circulated by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine saying, in part, “there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’ s climate. Trust me hipster fpers, we couldndo shit to change this world unless we managed to somehow reverse a natural trend on our earths history. The earth even has gone through mini iceages for christ sake.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/climate_consensus.gif[/img]
I don't know how many times I have had to show this picture.
You are credit to the American Education system.
[QUOTE=killover;32299580]I meant how would we know? Theres probably hundreds of coral reefs we haven't found yet.[/QUOTE]
Reefs only occur where there is enough light for them to survive. So around 150-200feet max I want to say off the top of my head. Then you take annual water temperates into account. Needs to be no more than 85F-90F(90 is dangerous and many will die but the reef will still survive if its just temporary). minimum would be around 60-65(again with coals dying off). With this information we van quite accurately map where all the coral reefs are using satellite imagery. There are deep water cold coral reefs, but they are not the same as the shallow tropical reefs.
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;32299297]Does it matter? The largest lifeform in the world is going to be wiped out, what relevance does a potential to find other sea life have?
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Pretty sure the huge dead grey part of the Great Barrier Reef disagrees with your unfounded analysis.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure that I did not say all coral reefs. Some will die. Some will adapt. It is only good.
This is kind of depressing :<
Things die, nature adapts, new things are born, that's how it works, folks.
i like how people try to justify that global warming is natural. sure it's natural, but is than an excuse to wipe out most living organisms on the earth several thousands years before nature planned for money?
[QUOTE=Mad Chatter;32304152]Things die, nature adapts, new things are born, that's how it works, folks.[/QUOTE]
Things die, yeah. Not usually an ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM
Be that as it may, life will still adapt and change to suit whatever challenges it faces.
How can i help?
Seriously, if there's something i can do in my day to day life to help i want to know.
[QUOTE=Mad Chatter;32304586]Be that as it may, life will still adapt and change to suit whatever challenges it faces.[/QUOTE]
Except it won't because we're accelerating the process waay too fast for evolution, hence why everything is dying
[QUOTE=EcksDee;32302564]I'm can't tell if you're serious or not.
Reefs are home to thousands of some of the rarest fish on the planet. They're the rainforests of the ocean.[/QUOTE]
I'm just saying that if fishers are ruining the reefs they can always ban it, and the fishers can go somewhere else where there is a lot of fish. Might take longer to get the same amount, but they'll still make profit.
[QUOTE=Gareth;32304690]Except it won't because we're accelerating the process waay too fast for evolution, hence why everything is dying[/QUOTE]
I'm thinking about this too much in the long term, then.
Blame the evolution of corals. If only they had evolved to be so adaptable, they wouldn't be in this mess.
[QUOTE=Mad Chatter;32304586]Be that as it may, life will still adapt and change to suit whatever challenges it faces.[/QUOTE]
Life will survive and keep going of course.
The question is more what kind of an effect will entire ecosystems dying have on us humans.
Oh my god. Humanity really has fucked up. I really hope that we can fix this, the repercussions of the coral reefs disappearing on the ecosystem must be huge.
judging by the ratings on my post clearly we have a bunch of shark sympathizers here
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they will murder you in an instant fyi thats what sharks do
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sharks are aquatic terrorists
good fucking riddance
what are you doing lankist
[QUOTE=Master Kief-117;32298694]I fucking hate how we're destroying this planet. It's disgusting. No one seems to care either. All these companies only care about money.
I'll tell you what. Money and power have no meaning when the world is fucking desolate and barren because your greed destroyed it.[/QUOTE]
We don't need nature once we have invented a replacement for it.
Like what is so bad about global warming? It shall heat up the earth to allow the tundras of Siberia and Canada to become rich farmland. A lot more land stands to be gained from it than lost. The lack of ice means that ships can use the Northwest passage. Greenland, Antarctica, etc will be able to have cities and railways built on them. All that useless ice on top of Antarctica gone means we can finally colonise the last continent and use it.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32306786]We don't need nature once we have invented a replacement for it.[/QUOTE]
why am I suddenly thinking about that line from Fight Club?
"In all probability, God hates you. This is not the worst thing that can happen."
"It isn't!?"
"WE DON'T NEED HIM!"
For me, living in the Keys, this is especially depressing. We practically live off of reefs. Damaging them at all is punishable by law.
[QUOTE=Lankist;32306715]judging by the ratings on my post clearly we have a bunch of shark sympathizers here
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they will murder you in an instant fyi thats what sharks do
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sharks are aquatic terrorists
good fucking riddance[/QUOTE]
Why are sharks terrorists? More people die from coconuts that fall on their head then people eaten by sharks. I take it then that the coconuts are the terrorists of trees?
good riddance
[QUOTE=Mad Chatter;32304152]Things die, nature adapts, new things are born, that's how it works, folks.[/QUOTE]
Well you're going to be in luck if there's a deadly epidemic that kills everyone who doesn't bleat out meaningless platitudes.
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32306786]We don't need nature once we have invented a replacement for it.
Like what is so bad about global warming? It shall heat up the earth to allow the tundras of Siberia and Canada to become rich farmland. A lot more land stands to be gained from it than lost. The lack of ice means that ships can use the Northwest passage. Greenland, Antarctica, etc will be able to have cities and railways built on them. All that useless ice on top of Antarctica gone means we can finally colonise the last continent and use it.[/QUOTE]Right, never mind all the ecosystems that will be destroyed, the current rich farmland that will be turned into desert, and coastal communities that will be underwater, global ocean currents stopping or changing direction, and super storms of unprecedented strength.
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Right, never mind all the ecosystems that will be destroyed, the current rich farmland that will be turned into desert, and coastal communities that will be underwater, global ocean currents stopping or changing direction, and super storms of unprecedented strength.[/QUOTE]
You do realise that the earth was warmer in the middle ages, and during said time there was economic prosperity, high farming yields and the such?
However due to the mini ice age in the 1300s much progress was reversed, along with the plague killing millions of people. The mini ice age only ended with the advent of the industrial revolution, which is actually saving us from the next glacial period which is due now.
It's not that humans have to live with nature, its that we have to tame and domesticate the unruly thing to make it useful.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32306786]We don't need nature once we have invented a replacement for it.
Like what is so bad about global warming? It shall heat up the earth to allow the tundras of Siberia and Canada to become rich farmland. A lot more land stands to be gained from it than lost. The lack of ice means that ships can use the Northwest passage. Greenland, Antarctica, etc will be able to have cities and railways built on them. All that useless ice on top of Antarctica gone means we can finally colonise the last continent and use it.[/QUOTE]
Your view of the repercussions of Global Warming are very simplistic.
Like, 2nd grade simplistic.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;32308101]Your view of the repercussions of Global Warming are very simplistic.
Like, 2nd grade simplistic.[/QUOTE]
Global warming can be used to create the best possible advantage for the human race.
For example the opening of the Northwest passage will allow shipping through much easier and allow Pacific and Atlantic species of marine animals to migrate to the other areas, both of which can be exploited for raw material purposes.
Antarctica can be drilled for oil, mined for minerals and varying other purposes made easier once the ice melts.
In fact I take comfort in the fact that global warming is inevitable, and I do my part to ensure that I have as big a carbon footprint as possible.
That sucks, they are an amazing beauty, if you say otherwise you really need to go scuba diving sometime...
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32308084]You do realise that the earth was warmer in the middle ages, and during said time there was economic prosperity, high farming yields and the such?[/QUOTE]
Um.
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/1000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png[/IMG]
1000 wasn't prosperous, people died at age 40 and the only group of people getting anything done with arab scientists. You're just saying that because of misguided "some people in what would be come the west, ergo they must have been eating a shitload of easy food" bullshit. That's christian scientist level wrong.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32308084]The mini ice age only ended with the advent of the industrial revolution, which is actually saving us from the next glacial period which is due now.[/QUOTE]
"Now" in Milankovitch cycles [URL="https://www.sciencemag.org/content/207/4434/943"]is thousands of years from now.[/URL]
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